M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Doom427]

Oh looks like I had everyone else to defend the fact that I don't bus, nice.

As for summit, my vote must have ended there probably, but I recall trying to get something else going and didn't want to vote him but fuck was he the worst scum I had ever seen there was no way to actually defend himself without outing myself.

If Scum!Durga doesn't bus... would Scum!Durga defend Scum!Jasnah as a VT day1? (I realize that [If Scum!Durga bus, then Durga is scum b/c of Bozo, If Scum!Durga doesn't bus, then Durga is scum b/c of Jasnah,] is not actually a fair list of assumptions to make. But curious for myself

[President Eden]

S+ tier crumb. I'm speechless

Good. Continue to be speechless for a few more days

Might be more than that if worcej bodies you two nights in a row.

[Durga]

Oh looks like I had everyone else to defend the fact that I don't bus, nice.

As for summit, my vote must have ended there probably, but I recall trying to get something else going and didn't want to vote him but fuck was he the worst scum I had ever seen there was no way to actually defend himself without outing myself.

If Scum!Durga doesn't bus... would Scum!Durga defend Scum!Jasnah as a VT day1? (I realize that [If Scum!Durga bus, then Durga is scum b/c of Bozo, If Scum!Durga doesn't bus, then Durga is scum b/c of Jasnah,] is not actually a fair list of assumptions to make. But curious for myself

That's not how that works lol.

[Chaqa]

S+ tier crumb. I'm speechless

Good. Continue to be speechless for a few more days

Might be more than that if worcej bodies you two nights in a row.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Worcej isn't a killing row

[Vecna]

Who are your top three scumreads at this moment rdr?

This is a hard question. I had a lot more town reads then scumreads, that´s why I am advocating going for POE.

I would say you, Jamiet and one from the more active players. Vecna isn´t exactly impressive this game and Kgray is improving but I can´t sill say she is obvtown.

Yours?

Hmmm, this might actually register very highly as a fake read from Rdrivera. Especially after im just telling Flum that its usually town thats suspicious of me.

Id like you to expand on why im unimpressive Rdrivera? What metric do you use to measure that?

The few stances you have had this game were exactly the same as my own, except Jasnah.

[Vecna]

This is a hard question. I had a lot more town reads then scumreads, that´s why I am advocating going for POE.

I would say you, Jamiet and one from the more active players. Vecna isn´t exactly impressive this game and Kgray is improving but I can´t sill say she is obvtown.

Yours?

Ghug
You
snowy
Kgray


You think Jamie bussed bozo?

I kinda think kgray and Durga would be the most likely to bus scum bozo. Kgray for reasons given (needing towncred, gutsy as scum, wagon dying D2). Durga because she has a low opinion of bozos scum game and may have thought he couldn’t have gotten out of the crosshairs.

I do not think Jamie is a likely candidate to bus bozo here.

Why do you think so? Or do you think bozo may have been the actual doc?

Sorry for butting in, but I don't think Durga is likely to have bussed bozo. She was one of the first people suspecting him D1, well before he had any pressure, and I don't think she draws attention to her teammate like that.

The same applies to Jamiet, who was also pushing/voting Bozo before it was a hot item.

[Jamiet99uk]

Get out

Bona as my witness, this simply isn’t true and is calculated to get people to dismiss the argument once I’m eliminated

I've not been in a call with you since like day 1

WE PLAYED CLANK TWO NIGHTS AGO

And the only reason we haven’t done more is that I’VE been gone, due to hosting family + chasing down a job, and this silly game too
Plus you’ve been getting deep into New World and dealing with a mouse and house and shit
But that still didn’t stop you from LITERALLY RECRUITING PEOPLE TO JOIN IT IN THIS GAME

I know most people are going to glaze over all this but THIS MAN IS LYING vote him out

Ice, eh?
Weak
Ill
Hymn.

[Jamiet99uk]

Our favorite circus actor had an interesting progression on jasnah.

<snip>

bozo moves consistent with this premise of saving jasnah at EOD, voting for worcej until the Chaqa wagon overtakes worcej, then voting for Chaqa until the claim, then switching back to worcej, the primary alternative to jasnah, to end the day.

Based on this movement I think it's highly likely that jasnah is mafia and bozo was attempting to save jasnah day 1.

This is plausible.

Ghug also very visibly put a lot of effort into trying to save Jasnah:

It seems like we're at the point where there needs to be a concerted effort to save jasnah.

I'm open to voting for:
Chaqa
Damo
Doom
Jamie
lfischl
TFB

I have reservations about Durga, kgray, and Eden, but they can wait a day. Damo is almost in this group but I think he's scum.
I'm leaning slightly town on worcej, but could probably be convinced to kill him for memes.

I don't think jasnah is worth saving, if that's why you reacted to my switch in vote the way you did. Her behavior's made it clear that she's not going to be contributing at all this game, and there are still questions looming about the Miller situation. Given that (1) many people have hangups about the Miller situation and are only satisfied with moving on if we kill one of them, and (2) there is still an appreciable chance she is mafia fakeclaiming, I think she is a reasonable if uninspired day 1 kill. It would obviously be better to kill mafia in any case, and she still very easily could be mafia. But granting the premise that she's town, and also supposing that we miss today, surely she is the best miss available, right?

My vote is still available for a wagon that I think is more likely to hit mafia.

Move back to Chaqa then. The jasnah wagon isn't going anywhere. You don't need to push it.

I would probably rather daykill jasnah over Chaqa

What

Jasnah is the best of both worlds, due to the 2 for 1 play flipping her allows us to have with the Oracle.

What do you think the perspective of the people who disagree with you here is?

No one has presented an opposing use of the Oracle that gets a 2 for 1.

I assume they just think it's boring and would rather try for a flashy play in a no reveal game where we won't have any idea if we were right anyway.

See, you're not even considering the other perspective.

Most of us not voting for jasnah think that both jasnah and Bunny are town, snitch would in turn make your Oracle plan worthless.

Ghug also pushed the Chaqa wagon until Chaqa claimed, and then pushed Worcej who he had been shading earlier.

Given that you think Bozo's actions are consistent with Scum Bozo trying to save Scum Jasnah, do you also view Ghug's actions as consistent with Scum Ghug doing the same thing?

If not, what's different?

@President Eden

You're so invested in arguing with Chaqa that you don't appear to have answered this.

So here I am drawing my query about Ghug to your attention again.

Thanks in advance.

[Vecna]

Sorry for butting in, but I don't think Durga is likely to have bussed bozo. She was one of the first people suspecting him D1, well before he had any pressure, and I don't think she draws attention to her teammate like that.

Agree with Kgray again. Durga also hates bussing and I hardly see her bussing for nothing in a no-reveal game.

This bussing for nothing is nonsense. Why do people keep saying this? There are essentially two potential Oracle reveals. If Oracle reveals scum, bussing scum would get incredible towncred. There is a cop and cop scan from JOAT. There are many ways scum can get revealed. (Plus, webdip is bussing happy anyway and I don’t know how much people would chance their ways to adapt to a no flip game).

This lacks some nuance though.

Its 17v4. Town has a full cop, full doc, a JOAT and the oracle.

Bussing is very dangerous when the numbers and PR powers are not the same as they are in a no reveal game.

Not saying it didnt happen. But a scum road to victory in this setup does not seem all that likely to involve a lot of bussing, when it is build around the premise that it is much easier for them to get away with protecting their teammates.

[worcej]

Can we talk about Jamie telling someone not to lose their temper, and ghug telling someone to not be an asshole in the span of like 10 minutes?

I think this post officially has the most +1's of any post this thread.

[Vecna]

Sorry for butting in, but I don't think Durga is likely to have bussed bozo. She was one of the first people suspecting him D1, well before he had any pressure, and I don't think she draws attention to her teammate like that.

Agree with Kgray again. Durga also hates bussing and I hardly see her bussing for nothing in a no-reveal game.

This bussing for nothing is nonsense. Why do people keep saying this? There are essentially two potential Oracle reveals. If Oracle reveals scum, bussing scum would get incredible towncred. There is a cop and cop scan from JOAT. There are many ways scum can get revealed. (Plus, webdip is bussing happy anyway and I don’t know how much people would chance their ways to adapt to a no flip game).

This lacks some nuance though.

Its 17v4. Town has a full cop, full doc, a JOAT and the oracle.

Bussing is very dangerous when the numbers and PR powers are not the same as they are in a no reveal game.

Not saying it didnt happen. But a scum road to victory in this setup does not seem all that likely to involve a lot of bussing, when it is build around the premise that it is much easier for them to get away with protecting their teammates.

[worcej]

Agree with Kgray again. Durga also hates bussing and I hardly see her bussing for nothing in a no-reveal game.

This bussing for nothing is nonsense. Why do people keep saying this? There are essentially two potential Oracle reveals. If Oracle reveals scum, bussing scum would get incredible towncred. There is a cop and cop scan from JOAT. There are many ways scum can get revealed. (Plus, webdip is bussing happy anyway and I don’t know how much people would chance their ways to adapt to a no flip game).

This lacks some nuance though.

Its 17v4. Town has a full cop, full doc, a JOAT and the oracle.

Bussing is very dangerous when the numbers and PR powers are not the same as they are in a no reveal game.

Not saying it didnt happen. But a scum road to victory in this setup does not seem all that likely to involve a lot of bussing, when it is build around the premise that it is much easier for them to get away with protecting their teammates.

HARD agree here.

[President Eden]

Our favorite circus actor had an interesting progression on jasnah.

<snip>

bozo moves consistent with this premise of saving jasnah at EOD, voting for worcej until the Chaqa wagon overtakes worcej, then voting for Chaqa until the claim, then switching back to worcej, the primary alternative to jasnah, to end the day.

Based on this movement I think it's highly likely that jasnah is mafia and bozo was attempting to save jasnah day 1.

This is plausible.

Ghug also very visibly put a lot of effort into trying to save Jasnah:

It seems like we're at the point where there needs to be a concerted effort to save jasnah.

I'm open to voting for:
Chaqa
Damo
Doom
Jamie
lfischl
TFB

I have reservations about Durga, kgray, and Eden, but they can wait a day. Damo is almost in this group but I think he's scum.
I'm leaning slightly town on worcej, but could probably be convinced to kill him for memes.

Move back to Chaqa then. The jasnah wagon isn't going anywhere. You don't need to push it.

What

What do you think the perspective of the people who disagree with you here is?

See, you're not even considering the other perspective.

Most of us not voting for jasnah think that both jasnah and Bunny are town, snitch would in turn make your Oracle plan worthless.

Ghug also pushed the Chaqa wagon until Chaqa claimed, and then pushed Worcej who he had been shading earlier.

Given that you think Bozo's actions are consistent with Scum Bozo trying to save Scum Jasnah, do you also view Ghug's actions as consistent with Scum Ghug doing the same thing?

If not, what's different?

@President Eden

You're so invested in arguing with Chaqa that you don't appear to have answered this.

So here I am drawing my query about Ghug to your attention again.

Thanks in advance.

My bad, let me look it over.

[snowy801]

What's the worst is when this game is over you'll never admit you wrong and will just blame me for all of this

This all started when Eden started cheating on you with worcej, and he's gaslighting you to think the relationship breakdown is your fault not his infidelity

Don't give up! Fight for your man! Ho!

[worcej]

Well, you thugs decided to hammer Bozo. Not the best move but it was probably inevitable.

I'll be my meta and say that 'not the best move' is really weird.

The point of this game is to kill scum and we got one with bozo.

[worcej]

Did you quit your job?

Well, no.

I've always heard the law is an excellent profession for work/life balance.

I've always been told lawyers are the scum of humanity.

Perhaps we need to flip Durga next phase just to be safe?

[President Eden]

Well, no.

I've always heard the law is an excellent profession for work/life balance.

I've always been told lawyers are the scum of humanity.

Perhaps we need to flip Durga next phase just to be safe?

objection

[snowy801]

I've always heard the law is an excellent profession for work/life balance.

I've always been told lawyers are the scum of humanity.

Perhaps we need to flip Durga next phase just to be safe?

objection

Silence, scum of humanity. Your turn cometh

[snowy801]

Agree with Kgray again. Durga also hates bussing and I hardly see her bussing for nothing in a no-reveal game.

This bussing for nothing is nonsense. Why do people keep saying this? There are essentially two potential Oracle reveals. If Oracle reveals scum, bussing scum would get incredible towncred. There is a cop and cop scan from JOAT. There are many ways scum can get revealed. (Plus, webdip is bussing happy anyway and I don’t know how much people would chance their ways to adapt to a no flip game).

This lacks some nuance though.

Its 17v4. Town has a full cop, full doc, a JOAT and the oracle.

Bussing is very dangerous when the numbers and PR powers are not the same as they are in a no reveal game.

Not saying it didnt happen. But a scum road to victory in this setup does not seem all that likely to involve a lot of bussing, when it is build around the premise that it is much easier for them to get away with protecting their teammates.

Vecna double posting for that sweet karma

Agree though, probably a big reason why bona was targeted too.

[worcej]

[snip...]

I think this is decent detective work by in large but want to confirm it with my own dive.