M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

I feel like it's more the way she says stuff and the lack of filter and the lack of knowledge like - there's been no coaching from N1 to n3 yknow?

This is mostly where I sit, but there's a little voice in the back of my head wondering why the lack of filter and lack of knowledge haven't given us a straight up townslip yet.

Definitely don't think she's worth killing tomorrow though.

I thought there was confusion about the QT and one other mechanic that seemed basically like a townslip

I thought the QT thing was Sabi? Maybe I have it backwards.

[TheFlyingBoat]

This is mostly where I sit, but there's a little voice in the back of my head wondering why the lack of filter and lack of knowledge haven't given us a straight up townslip yet.

Definitely don't think she's worth killing tomorrow though.

I thought there was confusion about the QT and one other mechanic that seemed basically like a townslip

I thought the QT thing was Sabi? Maybe I have it backwards.

Wait i thought we were talking about Sabi. Mb didn't realize we were talking about doom

[President Eden]

I went to go look this up in my filter, because I was sure I pointed out whatever this slip was, and I already have so many posts that peterbot can't display them all.

I'm only third in post count...

[President Eden]

I know y’all don’t believe in townslips but it’s quite hard for me to imagine Sabi not making the obvious realization that mafia know a Docsave instantly from the fact that they went pew pew on someone and that someone didn’t die, if she is mafia. It’s just not something you’d even think about

found it

moving on

[Vecna]

JOAT if you have your doc save left tonight is probably the night to use it

is it though?

[ghug]

JOAT if you have your doc save left tonight is probably the night to use it

is it though?

See I hate Chaqa because he's one of the few people brazen enough to say this as scum fakeclaiming.

[Vecna]

Alright you harelipped monkey I'm only going to explain this once

The only way your premise made even the slightest smidgeon of sense was if it were targeting people who wanted to take D3 setting up the long game and scum hunting, who eventually just grew bored and hammered anyway

People who were sitting on bozo all day has no relevance to this heuristic whatsoever because to them there was no activity to be grown bored with whatsoever

Ergo sitting on bozo all day = end voting bozo insofar as analysis is concerned

Thank you, I do have a nice goatee

Eh

sick burn

[Vecna]

good morning Ghug.

Waking up early these days and having you here around to share a cup of coffee is a magical experience

[Vecna]

JOAT if you have your doc save left tonight is probably the night to use it

is it though?

See I hate Chaqa because he's one of the few people brazen enough to say this as scum fakeclaiming.

True indeed. However, and knowing full well ill regret these words to the fullest if im wrong, he really doesnt -feel- like scum atm.

[Vecna]

What's the difference between voting bozo and endvoting bozo

You're just splitting hairs here

No I'm fucking not.

I was specifically responding to a post by President Eden in which he referred to "people who changed their minds and end voted".

I changed my mind about end voting.

I have just fucking proven that to you.

I think specifically what looks townie is the people wanting to wait a day to kill bozo, a mechanically superior option (in my mind, but also in theirs, which is what's relevant), were willing to sacrifice that optimal play because they got bored. I think scum is less likely to do that, because it's bad for town on the face of it, and scum are more concerned about image.

For you, this doesn't apply, because you wanted to kill bozo D3 to begin with.

Does that clarify things?

I still havent heard a single good reason why is was mechanically superior. Heck, even Bozo himself didnt find reasons why it was mechanically superior.

Also, I feel that that was actually -exactly- the spot where most, if not all, scum would leap in to show off how eager they were to find the next scum.

[ghug]

good morning Ghug.

Waking up early these days and having you here around to share a cup of coffee is a magical experience

And then I wake up to the rest of the shit and reenact emc's comic about us.

[Vecna]

Thank you, I do have a nice goatee

Eh

Please take your flirting to the dms. I can't keep making new ships. The chaden or the edaqa?

Youre just jealous because u want it to be the Prez-Sharam

[ghug]

No I'm fucking not.

I was specifically responding to a post by President Eden in which he referred to "people who changed their minds and end voted".

I changed my mind about end voting.

I have just fucking proven that to you.

I think specifically what looks townie is the people wanting to wait a day to kill bozo, a mechanically superior option (in my mind, but also in theirs, which is what's relevant), were willing to sacrifice that optimal play because they got bored. I think scum is less likely to do that, because it's bad for town on the face of it, and scum are more concerned about image.

For you, this doesn't apply, because you wanted to kill bozo D3 to begin with.

Does that clarify things?

I still havent heard a single good reason why is was mechanically superior. Heck, even Bozo himself didnt find reasons why it was mechanically superior.

Also, I feel that that was actually -exactly- the spot where most, if not all, scum would leap in to show off how eager they were to find the next scum.

I'm not interested in oracling jasnah or damo, and dangling the possibility of survival to bozo could have made for suboptimal night actions. It basically comes down to that.

[Vecna]

Can we talk about Jamie telling someone not to lose their temper, and ghug telling someone to not be an asshole in the span of like 10 minutes?

[Vecna]

I think specifically what looks townie is the people wanting to wait a day to kill bozo, a mechanically superior option (in my mind, but also in theirs, which is what's relevant), were willing to sacrifice that optimal play because they got bored. I think scum is less likely to do that, because it's bad for town on the face of it, and scum are more concerned about image.

For you, this doesn't apply, because you wanted to kill bozo D3 to begin with.

Does that clarify things?

I still havent heard a single good reason why is was mechanically superior. Heck, even Bozo himself didnt find reasons why it was mechanically superior.

Also, I feel that that was actually -exactly- the spot where most, if not all, scum would leap in to show off how eager they were to find the next scum.

I'm not interested in oracling jasnah or damo, and dangling the possibility of survival to bozo could have made for suboptimal night actions. It basically comes down to that.

So mechanically superior to you just comes down to "my reads are better than everyone else's".

[Vecna]

Eh

Please take your flirting to the dms. I can't keep making new ships. The chaden or the edaqa?

Chaden sounds like a zoomer kid from the burbs that plays golf instead of football because mom and dad are worried about injury from contact sports

Edaqa sounds like an edgy cheese

[ghug]

I still havent heard a single good reason why is was mechanically superior. Heck, even Bozo himself didnt find reasons why it was mechanically superior.

Also, I feel that that was actually -exactly- the spot where most, if not all, scum would leap in to show off how eager they were to find the next scum.

I'm not interested in oracling jasnah or damo, and dangling the possibility of survival to bozo could have made for suboptimal night actions. It basically comes down to that.

So mechanically superior to you just comes down to "my reads are better than everyone else's".

I even added a caveat about that!

[Vecna]

Our favorite circus actor had an interesting progression on jasnah.

He fairly quickly concludes that jasnah's play is bad as either alignment, but settles on jasnah being town, and that the people who want to 50/50 them are suspicious. Notably, the two most vocal advocates to 50/50 are our nigh-confirmed Doctor and our probable Cop.

His viewpoint hardens quickly as he begins criticizing me for unintentionally driving votes off worcej, who he treats like near-certain mafia for wanting to 50/50 jasnah and Bunny:

[bloviating omitted]

Why did you scare everyone off of the worcej wagon? worcej wants to DK jasnah and BunnyGo, even though he immediately believed BunnyGo's miller claim.

And then further solidifies near EOD:

Wtf why is bozo on flum lol

Honestly I'd be ok with a bozo daykill, he's not giving me any townie vibes whatsoever

I voted for Fluminator because he was self voting according to the bot, although I knew my vote would not be official yet, just as Fluminator's self vote would not be official. Fluminator was also the only significant alternative to jasnah at the time.

I and several others wrote the Fluminator vote off as a joke because of how the bot was mixing up Fluminator and FlyingBoat, but there's a very interesting revelation at the end - his motivation is to save jasnah. (It's also worth pointing out that Fluminator is probable VT, even more probable than Chaqa being Cop.)

bozo moves consistent with this premise of saving jasnah at EOD, voting for worcej until the Chaqa wagon overtakes worcej, then voting for Chaqa until the claim, then switching back to worcej, the primary alternative to jasnah, to end the day.

Based on this movement I think it's highly likely that jasnah is mafia and bozo was attempting to save jasnah day 1.

This would further reinforce that BunnyGo is the real Miller (though I don't think anybody doubts it at this point), and also creates a highly interesting day 1, because if jasnah is mafia, we now know with almost 100% certainty that day 1 was also TvS, like day 2. And unlike day 1, there was no smoking gun pointing to jasnah being mafia; public opinion was divided but generally favoring the idea that jasnah was town. This means mafia had far less incentive to bus and more incentive to openly protect jasnah, or at least steer the vote elsewhere. Our nearly-confirmed mafia appears to have been doing exactly this.

I am going to look at this some more tonight and tomorrow to see if we can get a bead on our last two mafia based off this.

bro ive been saying this since day1

[Fluminator]

I miss Bozo why'd you all kill him

[Fluminator]

Bozo is literally one of my favourite players