M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Durga]

only scum!ghug cares that he's being too mean. town!ghug doesn't give a shit

[Chaqa]

##Vote Snowy

[Bonatogether]

bozo is conf!scum so I'm skipping a lot of stuff that would fall under 'this is scummy' and looking for info on other people

bozo puts his favorite flavor of ice cream as mango. scum

'Crumbing miller isn't a bad idea as mafia' - actually interesting take here. he uses it to scumread bunny here (this is after bunny's claim) so I believe this indicates that bungo is town. bozo doesn't seem the type to bus here over this.

Can we still not get any consolidation between worcej and Chaqa voters? - Bozo, 2021. Wagons are jasnah 7/worcej 5/chaqa 4. He refuses to consider that jasnah is scum for most of the day, so, imo, this implies chaqa is town (worcej is already pretty much conf!town). It also implies that at least some scum didn't want a jasnah wagon. Does this mean jasnah is scum? I don't know. It's certainly in line with bozo trying to fly under the radar to make this assertion, so I think this doesn't change our broader impression.

He wanted damo to be the cop. This almost certainly indicates that damo was not the cop.

'good chance of scum in Chaqa, worcej, and Jamie'. Does bozo be honest here? I don't think so. This is after I started pushing him, for context.

He refuses to scumread the cagey ray for much of d2, which is interesting. He scumreads her for her d2 voting patterns, though, now. I am not sure how to read this. He doesn't talk about kgray (like many people) often, but his read is a rather drastic switch on a controversial player. I have no idea what to make of this.

His n2/d3 posts are all almost certainly calibrated to give us nothing. He mentions no reads and mostly rails against town throwing and how we need to kill worcej to prevent a town loss.


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bozo delenda est

jamie, chaqa look more town

mayyyyybe jasnah scum? I'm coming around to that view, slowly.

[ghug]

I mean I have seen like zero levity, so

Well, the intent has been to tease, not to bully, but I understand that's a fine line, so I'm sorry and I'll cool it.

That said, though, I feel like you've spent a lot of time dismissing me unfairly, and I still see very little to suggest you're town.

I don't really think I'm being unfair when so much of your explanations for your read have been that I'm not obvtown or something equally vague. It's fine if that's just what your read is, but to make that the focus of 80% of your actual game-related content is ridiculous.

What have you seen to suggest Tom is town? Eden? Snowy? Vecna? Literally anybody else who isn't a PR claimant? You can't just have me as your top scumread me and tunnel me constantly because of POE on D2 without having extreme reasons to townread other people.

Snowy feels OK, but he's firmly in the POE pool. Same with Eden. Vecna feels very townie (the paranoia over Chaqa +1ing a post is excellent example. I thought bona was a good shot for lying low, but that's out now which is nice. Tom has been terrible. I was hoping he'd come back from the weekend and engage, but I can understand why this game would be a little overwhelming to get into the middle of things as either alignment. I'm not sold at all on him being clear for being the counterwagon at the end of yesterday. Jamie's another scumread I've spoken on at length. Durga appears very townie.

This game is so large and busy that I don't think there's much point in speaking on all of these people at length, though I can acknowledge that that's something worth questioning me (and you, frankly, you spent most of yesterday only pushing Chaqa, and I don't know where you stand on many people at this point) on. I do think I've expressed most of these thoughts here or there. I'd rather see what other people do with those I don't have strong convictions on, and you're someone who I do have strong convictions on and who probably wouldn't be in serious conversation now if it weren't for me, so I don't think an outsized focus on you is unreasonable.

[ghug]

ffs Chaqa that wasn't the point

I'm sorry I know you told me to lay off the theater this phase while Bona and worcej do their thing, but it seemed so fun.

The last time I was scum with you two, you did nothing BUT bus each other.

But it wasn't like this. Kgray enjoyed that.

Yeah, honestly my behavior towards her this game is very similar to Chaqa's in that game.

[ghug]

only scum!ghug cares that he's being too mean. town!ghug doesn't give a shit

That hasn't been true in a while, and I happen to like kgray.

[Bonatogether]

conftown: worcej

most likely town based on role business: bungo, chaqa, flum

strong townread: vecna, doom, sabi, durga

light townread: ghug, eden, boat man, eden, tom the bomb

could go either way: kgray, snowy

literally unreadable: lfischl

scumread: rdr, jamie

confscum: bozo

[Bonatogether]

I'm going to go bed. Will post during lunch tomorrow.

[Fluminator]

I don't I just feel bad that she's upset, yknow?

In all seriousness I can't figure her out this game. She's different than normal but I heard her scum game is top tier but this isn't exactly that. She's frustrated and showing it and I'm not sure she would necessarily do that as scum. But then again I don't know why she's frustrated as town either. So really I'm confused.

I do feel pretty bad that she's upset but I also don't think her representation of how ghug and Eden (among others) treated her is accurate / faithful

And ghug is really bad at communications / asking questions I noticed from his and Jamiet's love tiffs

Yeah and I get that being ganged up on is frustating and terrible and PE is illogical and ghug is a bully who feels the need to comment on every single thing but she hasn't exactly been hella townie or advocating for the best moves so idkkkk

Ghug isn't being nearly as bad as BunnyGo was in his scum game to Kgray. But Kgray fought back hard and epically against Bunny as town.
She didn't just shut down.

It's hard not to see this as dejected scum. I'm trying to townread her because I want her to be town.

[BunnyGo]

I'm going to go bed. Will post during lunch tomorrow.

Wait. Join me on Jamie, and leave him a note preemptively saying why.

[Bonatogether]

kill schedule:
19 SoD3
17 SoD4
15 SoD5
13 SoD6
11 SoD7
9 SoD8
7 SoD9 -> lylo, 3 scum (4 - bozo) vs 4 town

[TheFlyingBoat]

bozo is conf!scum so I'm skipping a lot of stuff that would fall under 'this is scummy' and looking for info on other people

bozo puts his favorite flavor of ice cream as mango. scum

'Crumbing miller isn't a bad idea as mafia' - actually interesting take here. he uses it to scumread bunny here (this is after bunny's claim) so I believe this indicates that bungo is town. bozo doesn't seem the type to bus here over this.

Can we still not get any consolidation between worcej and Chaqa voters? - Bozo, 2021. Wagons are jasnah 7/worcej 5/chaqa 4. He refuses to consider that jasnah is scum for most of the day, so, imo, this implies chaqa is town (worcej is already pretty much conf!town). It also implies that at least some scum didn't want a jasnah wagon. Does this mean jasnah is scum? I don't know. It's certainly in line with bozo trying to fly under the radar to make this assertion, so I think this doesn't change our broader impression.

He wanted damo to be the cop. This almost certainly indicates that damo was not the cop.

'good chance of scum in Chaqa, worcej, and Jamie'. Does bozo be honest here? I don't think so. This is after I started pushing him, for context.

He refuses to scumread the cagey ray for much of d2, which is interesting. He scumreads her for her d2 voting patterns, though, now. I am not sure how to read this. He doesn't talk about kgray (like many people) often, but his read is a rather drastic switch on a controversial player. I have no idea what to make of this.

His n2/d3 posts are all almost certainly calibrated to give us nothing. He mentions no reads and mostly rails against town throwing and how we need to kill worcej to prevent a town loss.


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bozo delenda est

jamie, chaqa look more town

mayyyyybe jasnah scum? I'm coming around to that view, slowly.

"Does this mean jasnah is scum? I don't know. It's certainly in line with bozo trying to fly under the radar to make this assertion, so I think this doesn't change our broader impression."

I mean if we accept your earlier contention that D1 bozo tries to play as town/contribute in ways that makes sense as much as possible when it comes to being town we can probably take those as NAI and take the scum tells and D2 EoD/N2 behavior as indicative of scumminess.

I still think jasnah is town, but I do agree with you that damo is likely not the cop.

Does that mean you look at the scum team as Bozo-Kgray-jasnash-???

[TheFlyingBoat]

I'm going to go bed. Will post during lunch tomorrow.

booo it's so early. Old man bona smh

[kgray]

Well, the intent has been to tease, not to bully, but I understand that's a fine line, so I'm sorry and I'll cool it.

That said, though, I feel like you've spent a lot of time dismissing me unfairly, and I still see very little to suggest you're town.

I don't really think I'm being unfair when so much of your explanations for your read have been that I'm not obvtown or something equally vague. It's fine if that's just what your read is, but to make that the focus of 80% of your actual game-related content is ridiculous.

What have you seen to suggest Tom is town? Eden? Snowy? Vecna? Literally anybody else who isn't a PR claimant? You can't just have me as your top scumread me and tunnel me constantly because of POE on D2 without having extreme reasons to townread other people.

Snowy feels OK, but he's firmly in the POE pool. Same with Eden. Vecna feels very townie (the paranoia over Chaqa +1ing a post is excellent example. I thought bona was a good shot for lying low, but that's out now which is nice. Tom has been terrible. I was hoping he'd come back from the weekend and engage, but I can understand why this game would be a little overwhelming to get into the middle of things as either alignment. I'm not sold at all on him being clear for being the counterwagon at the end of yesterday. Jamie's another scumread I've spoken on at length. Durga appears very townie.

This game is so large and busy that I don't think there's much point in speaking on all of these people at length, though I can acknowledge that that's something worth questioning me (and you, frankly, you spent most of yesterday only pushing Chaqa, and I don't know where you stand on many people at this point) on. I do think I've expressed most of these thoughts here or there. I'd rather see what other people do with those I don't have strong convictions on, and you're someone who I do have strong convictions on and who probably wouldn't be in serious conversation now if it weren't for me, so I don't think an outsized focus on you is unreasonable.

K thanks, although I did not spend most of yesterday only pushing Chaqa. I spent most of the day frustrated with your incessant badgering of me. I also pushed bozo and noted my suspicions of TFB and snowy. And I'd probably have done a lot more productive things if you had just laid off.

I have given opinions where I've had them and they seem relevant. If you have questions about my other reads then I'm happy to answer them.

[Bonatogether]

I'm going to go bed. Will post during lunch tomorrow.

Wait. Join me on Jamie, and leave him a note preemptively saying why.

Jamie has been a high poster (420 posts all game rn) without many of the reasonably controversial takes I remember him as. I can't remember anything he's done other than the duel.

[Fluminator]

Also damn PE. You know how to say the scummiest things but still come off genuine while doing it

[ghug]

I don't really think I'm being unfair when so much of your explanations for your read have been that I'm not obvtown or something equally vague. It's fine if that's just what your read is, but to make that the focus of 80% of your actual game-related content is ridiculous.

What have you seen to suggest Tom is town? Eden? Snowy? Vecna? Literally anybody else who isn't a PR claimant? You can't just have me as your top scumread me and tunnel me constantly because of POE on D2 without having extreme reasons to townread other people.

Snowy feels OK, but he's firmly in the POE pool. Same with Eden. Vecna feels very townie (the paranoia over Chaqa +1ing a post is excellent example. I thought bona was a good shot for lying low, but that's out now which is nice. Tom has been terrible. I was hoping he'd come back from the weekend and engage, but I can understand why this game would be a little overwhelming to get into the middle of things as either alignment. I'm not sold at all on him being clear for being the counterwagon at the end of yesterday. Jamie's another scumread I've spoken on at length. Durga appears very townie.

This game is so large and busy that I don't think there's much point in speaking on all of these people at length, though I can acknowledge that that's something worth questioning me (and you, frankly, you spent most of yesterday only pushing Chaqa, and I don't know where you stand on many people at this point) on. I do think I've expressed most of these thoughts here or there. I'd rather see what other people do with those I don't have strong convictions on, and you're someone who I do have strong convictions on and who probably wouldn't be in serious conversation now if it weren't for me, so I don't think an outsized focus on you is unreasonable.

K thanks, although I did not spend most of yesterday only pushing Chaqa. I spent most of the day frustrated with your incessant badgering of me. I also pushed bozo and noted my suspicions of TFB and snowy. And I'd probably have done a lot more productive things if you had just laid off.

I have given opinions where I've had them and they seem relevant. If you have questions about my other reads then I'm happy to answer them.

I wouldn't mind an open-ended paragraph like the first one in my last post.

[ghug]

I'm going to go bed. Will post during lunch tomorrow.

Wait. Join me on Jamie, and leave him a note preemptively saying why.

Jamie has been a high poster (420 posts all game rn) without many of the reasonably controversial takes I remember him as. I can't remember anything he's done other than the duel.

Heh, high poster.

[Bonatogether]

bozo is conf!scum so I'm skipping a lot of stuff that would fall under 'this is scummy' and looking for info on other people

bozo puts his favorite flavor of ice cream as mango. scum

'Crumbing miller isn't a bad idea as mafia' - actually interesting take here. he uses it to scumread bunny here (this is after bunny's claim) so I believe this indicates that bungo is town. bozo doesn't seem the type to bus here over this.

Can we still not get any consolidation between worcej and Chaqa voters? - Bozo, 2021. Wagons are jasnah 7/worcej 5/chaqa 4. He refuses to consider that jasnah is scum for most of the day, so, imo, this implies chaqa is town (worcej is already pretty much conf!town). It also implies that at least some scum didn't want a jasnah wagon. Does this mean jasnah is scum? I don't know. It's certainly in line with bozo trying to fly under the radar to make this assertion, so I think this doesn't change our broader impression.

He wanted damo to be the cop. This almost certainly indicates that damo was not the cop.

'good chance of scum in Chaqa, worcej, and Jamie'. Does bozo be honest here? I don't think so. This is after I started pushing him, for context.

He refuses to scumread the cagey ray for much of d2, which is interesting. He scumreads her for her d2 voting patterns, though, now. I am not sure how to read this. He doesn't talk about kgray (like many people) often, but his read is a rather drastic switch on a controversial player. I have no idea what to make of this.

His n2/d3 posts are all almost certainly calibrated to give us nothing. He mentions no reads and mostly rails against town throwing and how we need to kill worcej to prevent a town loss.


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bozo delenda est

jamie, chaqa look more town

mayyyyybe jasnah scum? I'm coming around to that view, slowly.

"Does this mean jasnah is scum? I don't know. It's certainly in line with bozo trying to fly under the radar to make this assertion, so I think this doesn't change our broader impression."

I mean if we accept your earlier contention that D1 bozo tries to play as town/contribute in ways that makes sense as much as possible when it comes to being town we can probably take those as NAI and take the scum tells and D2 EoD/N2 behavior as indicative of scumminess.

I still think jasnah is town, but I do agree with you that damo is likely not the cop.

Does that mean you look at the scum team as Bozo-Kgray-jasnash-???

I do not. I don't think that bozo post is reflective of jasnah's alignment. I need to think about jasnah some more, tbh.

I'm not opposed to those first 2. I might slap jamie in there too for 3.

[Bonatogether]

Wait. Join me on Jamie, and leave him a note preemptively saying why.

Jamie has been a high poster (420 posts all game rn) without many of the reasonably controversial takes I remember him as. I can't remember anything he's done other than the duel.

Heh, high poster.