M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

So agreeable that it felt wrong.

You seemed pretty worried Worcej was scum at several points in this game, no? You were swapping back and forth voting him and bozo yesterday for a while.

If you have this experience with him, why are you only remembering that now?

Hmmm I don't know if I felt worcej was scummy or if I wanted to feel worcej was scummy, ya feel me?

so whats this talk about shipping?

[President Eden]

Where has Jamie obvtowned, Eden?

Oh, it was when he got mad at me, I just didn't want to give him the satisfaction of winning the faux gladiator contest. His vote on bozo is good too.

[BesharamSabi]

Guess I'll write one, I can't imagine I die but I also didn't think they'd shoot damo (RIP). They're going to have to do something kinda wild with the nightkill regardless but...

Do your due diligence on the Doctor claims. Yeah it's pretty likely worcej is the guy. Unless we're going to use the JOAT or Oracle, though, don't forget this flashpoint down the line. That said, operating under the premise that worcej is the guy and bozo is the fake is smart, as that's probably what happened.

At present, it's extremely hard to imagine me voting these people out, in this order:

BunnyGo
worcej
Fluminator
Chaqa
lfischl
Bonatogether
Durga
Vecna
Jamiet99uk

Top four are either claimed PRs or the results of them, all claims seem legit. fishy is fishy. Rest of them have great votes on bozo and have obvtowned at various points.

From there it gets trickier. These four I would not vote for the duration, but I could see becoming votes much later in the game, if we've run through the people at the end and missed (again, in order):

Doom427
Tom Bombadil
TheFlyingBoat
BesheramSabi

Tom, I think, is town who ended up as the last-ditch "safe" target. It's possible he's mafia, but it strikes me that we would have gotten quite lucky, overall, to have ended up with 2 mafia in 3 major wagons at EOD. It's happened before, but on balance I think mafia finds a way to keep some random townie's name in the spotlight leading up to EOD instead of Tom. Tom also had a comment about him being the only guy defending bozo, which is kinda gutsy to make if you know bozo's mafia and is looking likely to go down.

The other three are newer to us, maybe newer overall (hard to tell with their comments at times!), and have had various townie moments and nothing I find obviously suspicious. If there's one mafia out of the group, it's probably Sabi for finding a way to avoid all the wagons at EOD there, but it's minor.

Now we're getting to the real meat of it:

ghug
rdrivera2005
kgray
snowy801

Notably I would have a really hard time believing both kgray and ghug are mafia. Which I guess means rivera should be ahead of both in the priority list, but I'm not really sure.

I kinda accidentally mini-cased kgray and as you can see, I'm not highly confident in it. But someone's got to be mafia and she's ahead of many others. Little bit of shaky vibes at spots, little bit of slightly too clean answers, little bit of POE - no one likes these cases, but I don't think you catch the kgrays of the worlds with smoking guns. You kinda just hone in on the few things that are off and look past the things that plausibly could exonerate them and get a little lucky. I'm sure that will do nothing to lessen her frustration at being sussed on a not that strong case, but that's life sometimes.

ghug is part POE, part assumption that he can't be mafia with kgray--he's spent an awful lot of the game harping on unproductive avenues if kgray is town. I know I don't have a lot of room to talk here, but the more I write about these two the more I come down on ghug's side of it anyway.

snowy is part POE and part respect for the fact that if he's town it's extremely hard to imagine him missing on all the big alignment questions of the game so far. Seems more likely that he's mafia, doing a decent enough job of emulating his usual incisiveness while just happening to come to the wrong conclusions. For obvious reasons it's hard for me to make a case on him that doesn't also incriminate me, as I basically walked lockstep with him to this point.

Finally rivera is just a flat null. I want to townread him, but I've flat out missed on many of these speculative townreads on lower posters, and the cold hard look at the facts says that he's not stood out either way. Looking back I am not that big on his read on Tom, and one possible explanation for why Tom ended up as the target of choice is that one or more mafia weren't around at deadline. But literally everything is easily explained by him being town and just not being around enough to have a thorough grasp on an absolutely massive game, so I'm mostly suspicious of him by POE.

And then... there's bozo. I am gonna feel really bad if he's the actual Doctor. Even as I say to do due diligence on this, I myself have not looked at the game state from the presumption that he's the Doctor and figured out how things change. We're not quite back to square one if bozo is the Doctor, but a lot of my reads are contingent on the premise that worcej is the Doctor, so if that's wrong, shrug.

As for me, I'm town, suck it. But I should be in the rivera/ghug/kgray/snowy tier. If mafia removes me from consideration here that's a major win for town, if not I'll hopefully show you why I should be over the next few days.

How did I avoid all the wagons at EOD when I was on worcej until he claimed doc and I didn't join Bozo because he also claimed doc? I didn't join Tom because that wagon did not hold weight.

[Vecna]

You seemed pretty worried Worcej was scum at several points in this game, no? You were swapping back and forth voting him and bozo yesterday for a while.

If you have this experience with him, why are you only remembering that now?

Hmmm I don't know if I felt worcej was scummy or if I wanted to feel worcej was scummy, ya feel me?

Here’s a series of emoji that vecna can copy paste later.

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Yeah, post this instead of an EoN readspost.

I might actually remember this and read it later.

If you really want someone deaded and you fear youre about to be durga'd, leave a single kill order hidden in between the barfs.

[ghug]

Where has Jamie obvtowned, Eden?

Oh, it was when he got mad at me, I just didn't want to give him the satisfaction of winning the faux gladiator contest. His vote on bozo is good too.

That was fake af

[Durga]

You seemed pretty worried Worcej was scum at several points in this game, no? You were swapping back and forth voting him and bozo yesterday for a while.

If you have this experience with him, why are you only remembering that now?

Hmmm I don't know if I felt worcej was scummy or if I wanted to feel worcej was scummy, ya feel me?

so whats this talk about shipping?

Excuse me

[President Eden]

Where has Jamie obvtowned, Eden?

Oh, it was when he got mad at me, I just didn't want to give him the satisfaction of winning the faux gladiator contest. His vote on bozo is good too.

That was fake af

Nah... maybe? Idk. I don't think it was

[snowy801]

Where has Jamie obvtowned, Eden?

Oh, it was when he got mad at me, I just didn't want to give him the satisfaction of winning the faux gladiator contest. His vote on bozo is good too.

That was fake af

I dunno I thought it was fine

[Durga]

Oh, it was when he got mad at me, I just didn't want to give him the satisfaction of winning the faux gladiator contest. His vote on bozo is good too.

That was fake af

Nah... maybe? Idk. I don't think it was

I'm pretty sure it was fake af

[BunnyGo]

You seemed pretty worried Worcej was scum at several points in this game, no? You were swapping back and forth voting him and bozo yesterday for a while.

If you have this experience with him, why are you only remembering that now?

Hmmm I don't know if I felt worcej was scummy or if I wanted to feel worcej was scummy, ya feel me?

Here’s a series of emoji that vecna can copy paste later.

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Here’s my final post. Good luck all.

[snowy801]

Hmmm I don't know if I felt worcej was scummy or if I wanted to feel worcej was scummy, ya feel me?

Here’s a series of emoji that vecna can copy paste later.

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Here’s my final post. Good luck all.

o7

[President Eden]

How did I avoid all the wagons at EOD when I was on worcej until he claimed doc and I didn't join Bozo because he also claimed doc? I didn't join Tom because that wagon did not hold weight.

It's about where you end. It's common for newer mafia players to end rounds off of the major wagons, particularly if they've already primed the target earlier in the day, because it avoids voting teammates and avoids the bad optics of voting out townies.
It's a minor thing in any case, your body of work is townie to me, just less so than the others in your tier. But well ahead of the actual suspects.

[Vecna]

Hmmm I don't know if I felt worcej was scummy or if I wanted to feel worcej was scummy, ya feel me?

so whats this talk about shipping?

Excuse me

People were like " I dont wanna be shipped with ghug"

wtf does that mean?

[BesharamSabi]

If I die, it was worcej who was scum and killed me. Xoxo

[Durga]

so whats this talk about shipping?

Excuse me

People were like " I dont wanna be shipped with ghug"

wtf does that mean?

Pretty sure I said the opposite of that

[Fluminator]

Where has Jamie obvtowned, Eden?

Oh, it was when he got mad at me, I just didn't want to give him the satisfaction of winning the faux gladiator contest. His vote on bozo is good too.

That was fake af

I thought it was fake, but that alone doesn't guarantee he's scum. He knows people look for that sort of thing to read him, and there'd be motive to do it as both town and scum.

[snowy801]

I really don't know why people write up all text posts only to post them not at EoN

[BunnyGo]

Hmmm I don't know if I felt worcej was scummy or if I wanted to feel worcej was scummy, ya feel me?

Here’s a series of emoji that vecna can copy paste later.

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Here’s my final post. Good luck all.

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[Vecna]

im assuming it doesnt mean u wanna be on a boat with ghug

[President Eden]

That was fake af

Nah... maybe? Idk. I don't think it was

I'm pretty sure it was fake af

I don't actually remember him faking outrage, and it's very easy for me to believe that I impugned his honor by calling his efforts superficial and lacking in meaningful engagement, and that he would react that viscerally.

Regardless, it would be very strange to me for him to construct that frame, and then obliterate it by adding a teammate to it and voting the teammate the whole calendar day leading up to EOD. With the caveat that he's gotten me with that exact setup before (a bus on a teammate that I didn't think made sense, which led me to townread him incorrectly), I don't think he did that here.