M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

Again, this kind of thing based on an incorrect assumption can lose the game for town.

Exactly. I'm really not enjoying this game.

You think Worcej was faking his anger?

(note how Bozo is completely missing out on the real reason that everyone thinks Worcej was for real)

Why is that, because he insulted everyone? I did address that. Or is it something else?

[BunnyGo]

Uh... pretty sure my audience is everyone in the game right now.

I'm pointing out how bozo is incorrectly interpreting my intentions and framing up my position to everyone. He is explaining what worcej is doing in defense of himself, why can I not do the same? Why are you trying to shut me down right now?

This has nothing to do with me being right and you portraying this is an interesting move for you to make. Combined with these attempted shutdowns and soft character attacks, I'm growing rather of you.

Time for another “old man tells a story”:

Episode 4? Let’s say four.

I had a friend as a kid who loved to argue. He was loud. And he was RIGHT. And if you were wrong he’d let you know. Be it pedantry or general point, he’d argue with you.

Now, we were obnoxious and fairly intelligent and competitive teens. We all argued and enjoyed being RIGHT. But this guy needed it.

One day, my dad taught me the meanest thing you could do to this kid was say “I agree.” He told us this IN FRONT OF THE KID. Then when the kid tried arguing with my dad, my dad would just say “<kids name>, you’re right. I’m not disagreeing with you.”

But the kid needed to argue. He needed to be RIGHT! He couldn’t stop himself from trying to find another thing to argue about and show how my dad was wrong.

Needless to say, it was very funny. And everyone but the kid learned a good lesson.

You know that raw emotion is really helpful in reading people, yes?

Everyone uses different tools. Relying too much on any one tool will inevitably find a clutch screw head.

[ghug]

Think I'm too young for him, honestly

I think there's a rule that says you have to be born in the same century or something

Problematic age gap, yikes. I will find you a ship sooner than later snow. Don't you worry.

I want to be shipped with ghug

Flum has seen me naked, so this is the most plausible ship.

[ghug]

Problematic age gap, yikes. I will find you a ship sooner than later snow. Don't you worry.

I want to be shipped with ghug

No wait what, he's mine

I thought I was your bully?

[ghug]

I want to be shipped with ghug

Get into a huge petty argument with him fueled with innuendo and tension then

Hey, y’all were the ones inserting the innuendo

We'd have to have read it to know that you didn't.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm probably going to be working until deadline now, but my eon reads that totally don't matter because I'm not getting nightkilled is

Bozo/Kgray/Jamiet/unknown 4th (probably RDR or Ifsich or doom)
Tom and Flyingboat I don't have townreads on but I don't see much room for them atm.

You scumread me?

Moi?

I am not scum.

Elucidate?

[bozotheclown]

hammer bozo

This is a good example of confirmation bias.

How so?

You thought I was mafia, so you interpreted my claim as a fake claim and worcej's CC as a real claim. It is either confirmation bias, or you are one of worcej's teammates.

[ghug]

LMAO, you know the setup was too complicated when even the GM couldn't keep track of what QT to give out to people.

The plus side is that you may have made bo quit forever.

He GMed the next game and screwed me over as scum by giving different VT PMs then what was in the opening thread, so we're even.

Oh right, and then he played the next game and tried to ruin it the same way his game had been ruined.

Bo is the worst.

[bozotheclown]

bozo has been scummy the whole time and now he's not talking like we don't even need to discuss this we can hammer d3

I was not talking because I was not online.

you were online enough to claim

I was not online for the last 6 hours of D2, except for the last 10 minutes. I claimed when it appeared there was no chance I would avoid the DK.

[Jamiet99uk]

LMAO, you know the setup was too complicated when even the GM couldn't keep track of what QT to give out to people.

The plus side is that you may have made bo quit forever.

He GMed the next game and screwed me over as scum by giving different VT PMs then what was in the opening thread, so we're even.

Ugh that game. I think I was bosox's co-GM on that one.

I was not amused at his fuckup.

[bozotheclown]

bozo, at risk of oversimplifying, a lot of what you’ve said is emphasizing that being confident in worcej’s Doctor claim will cost us the game, and not proving why we shouldn’t believe him. If you’re Doctor it’s true, but it’s notably the angle mafia would take in your shoes too—the implied takeaway is that we should kill both of you to be safe, when as the genuine Doctor I think you’d be focused first on proving worcej is faking.

Why should we believe you over worcej?

worcej gave away his alignment N1 by revealing he knew Chaqa was not mafia fake claiming.

[Fluminator]

I'm probably going to be working until deadline now, but my eon reads that totally don't matter because I'm not getting nightkilled is

Bozo/Kgray/Jamiet/unknown 4th (probably RDR or Ifsich or doom)
Tom and Flyingboat I don't have townreads on but I don't see much room for them atm.

You scumread me?

Moi?

I am not scum.

Elucidate?

No one else seems to suspect you so I may actually have to type up a case. I'll do it tomorrow. Don't nightkill me pls

[bozotheclown]

Wait, ok, I've been thinking on it and gonna make this it's own separate post for a second-why would anyone switch to bozo? It makes sense if you know for sure Bozo is scum, but we had two separate doctor claims, and limited time to figure out which one was true and which one wasn't. Why the jump to bozo? Tom is right there, and even if you don't love it, it's right there, and has a (almost) 0% chance of hitting the doctor.

WorceJ goes from in the lead, after the bozo claim, to no longer an option. But why, after WorceJ says he's the doctor, would that convince you to vote for Bozo, who says He's The Doctor, but first? Neither one crumbed, neither one gave any evidence? I mean, people had other reasons for voting for either player, but...I think I might have convinced myself that maybe WorceJ is the scum player? I really wish either one had crumbed though-WorceJ gave a decent excuse why, but Bozo gave me nothing, so based on their own merits alone I lean toward WorceJ being truthful, but the votes jumping to Bozo even though both players are fundamentally equal in my mind (When voting occurred, not afterwards) makes me think scum would be doing the jump?

I have never crumbed when I have been a PR. I think you have a good point about the D2 EOD voting, as the mafia would be motivated to get rid of the doctor immediately.

[ghug]

I'm probably going to be working until deadline now, but my eon reads that totally don't matter because I'm not getting nightkilled is

Bozo/Kgray/Jamiet/unknown 4th (probably RDR or Ifsich or doom)
Tom and Flyingboat I don't have townreads on but I don't see much room for them atm.

You scumread me?

Moi?

I am not scum.

Elucidate?

No one else seems to suspect you so I may actually have to type up a case. I'll do it tomorrow. Don't nightkill me pls

I suspect him.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm probably going to be working until deadline now, but my eon reads that totally don't matter because I'm not getting nightkilled is

Bozo/Kgray/Jamiet/unknown 4th (probably RDR or Ifsich or doom)
Tom and Flyingboat I don't have townreads on but I don't see much room for them atm.

You scumread me?

Moi?

I am not scum.

Elucidate?

No one else seems to suspect you so I may actually have to type up a case. I'll do it tomorrow. Don't nightkill me pls

I would not have the ability to do so even if I wished.

[Jamiet99uk]

You scumread me?

Moi?

I am not scum.

Elucidate?

No one else seems to suspect you so I may actually have to type up a case. I'll do it tomorrow. Don't nightkill me pls

I suspect him.

You always do.

[bozotheclown]

Unfortunately my absence from the game came at a bad time, as it has been interpreted as scum indicative, but as I said, it was unavoidable.

I have played over 40 mafia games on this site and have been scum at least 10 times. If anyone cares to review my old games, you will find many instance where I was away from the game for 8, 16, 24 hours stretches, or more, and I am confident you will find that they are in no way correlated to when I was mafia or mafia up for the DK. I do not recall any other instance where I was not able to participate for a large block of time before EOD when I was up for a DK as mafia.

If you look at the 24 hours before D2 EOD, you will see I made a significant effort with the time I had to avoid getting DK, since I did not want to get DKed as a PR. I did what I could to get online on mobile at EOD so I would at least not get DKed without town knowing I was the doctor.

I obviously understand why I am under strong suspicion, but I encourage the JOAT or oracle to reveal myself as the doctor or worcej as mafia. The important point is that worcej must be eliminated for town to win the game.

Your absence had anything to do with you being scummed by any of the reads I remember reading.

I don't think you made any real effort to avoid yourself getting daykilled however - you're effort was exclusively focused at getting me killed. There is a big difference between the two.

I tried to find out why I was being voted, but no one was giving me a specific reason. I was fairly sure you were scum based on your slip, so obviously I am going to try to get my top scum suspect DKed, regardless of whether I was the lead wagon.

[bozotheclown]

Does someone know whether bozo is known to crumb as PR

Yes, I know that I have never crumbed as PR, which could be verified if anyone wants to take the time.

[Chaqa]

bozo, at risk of oversimplifying, a lot of what you’ve said is emphasizing that being confident in worcej’s Doctor claim will cost us the game, and not proving why we shouldn’t believe him. If you’re Doctor it’s true, but it’s notably the angle mafia would take in your shoes too—the implied takeaway is that we should kill both of you to be safe, when as the genuine Doctor I think you’d be focused first on proving worcej is faking.

Why should we believe you over worcej?

worcej gave away his alignment N1 by revealing he knew Chaqa was not mafia fake claiming.

Worcej believed my solid crumbs and lack of CC.

You'd understand if you were actually Doc and had crumbs and were not CC'd by an obvtown

[bozotheclown]

It must have taken place in the scum chat last night.

when do you plan to have an original thought about the game?

Oh. I dunno actually. I'm still figuring everyone out.

Why do you have to be so mean

It is funny that PE inadvertently answered you in the net post (or maybe it was deliberate).