M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Fluminator]

@flum, I think I may have also had the laser on me ship with me and some strange mechanics that gave the scum a double kill if used?

LMAO, you know the setup was too complicated when even the GM couldn't keep track of what QT to give out to people.

[President Eden]

Well to be honest bozo’s absence and your righteous indignation are the only things actually tilting me one way or the other. So I don’t think his summary is really wrong as far as that goes.

To go even further—bozo is saying all the “correct” things if he actually is Doctor. He knows his absence and your strong impression probably lost him the CC war and the only real way to salvage it is to get us to kill both of you so he at least doesn’t let a mafia run uncontested. Of course he’s also got the same incentive as mafia faking…

The productive thing would be for y’all to prove that the other is mafia without defaulting to the Doc claim. Right now I’m inclined to believe you because your frustration at EOD2/SON2 seemed genuine

The problem, as I pointed out, is bozo is trying to use absence as a defense for himself and my lack of absence as a detraction.

Doesn't it bother you at all that bozo is being exclusively "correct" right now? It's incredibly calculated and planned because it has to be to try to pull this off.

I pointed that out already… he’s saying the correct thing regardless of his position, which leaves him in the zone of perpetual ambiguity, whereas your behavior much more clearly matches that of a real claimant

[worcej]

Never argue. People may not be able to tell the difference.

Your goal here is to stop bleeding intel about your action tonight. It’s also to stop putting doubt in my mind. Just sit back and don’t bother.

I find this advice to be incredibly off-putting simply because you're telling me to let bozo's responses go uncontested and stop pointing at the flaws in his responses.

If I don't comment back at his take, I bet numerous people would frame this up as I gave up and therefor I am scum.

You think I can’t read his stuff for myself and think? How little do you think of your teammates? If it’s so little that we can’t read for ourselves, then you’ve lost whether you post or not.

Considering I have a 'thing' about not being heard and being misrepresented and misconstrued, you'll never see me go down without responding back to someone who is commenting on my intentions or state of mind.

[worcej]

I also think it would be productive if doc claimants spent more time looking at eod wagons and who was the scum there.
(Worcej did that a little so far, but bozo did none of that)

Actually yea that’s better than them focusing on each other

Well, people didn't like it when I focused on you.

So which is it?

[snowy801]

I also think it would be productive if doc claimants spent more time looking at eod wagons and who was the scum there.
(Worcej did that a little so far, but bozo did none of that)

Actually yea that’s better than them focusing on each other

Well, people didn't like it when I focused on you.

So which is it?

Arguing you can't win because you tried doing two bad things seems pretty defeatist of you

Just do better

[worcej]

One would hope...

Also, FWIW, I do not give any credit to anyone who switched from bozo to me once bozo claimed. Scum obviously had a plan to bait a PR CC out if they had the chance to die and doctor made the most sense.

For my part, I didn't totally believe bozo's claim in the moment and was hoping for a TFB wagon. When you claimed, my initial reaction was that you were actually scum, because a) you didn't claim in the final moments D1 (impressive in retrospect) and b) it's more likely we hit a PR and then scum with the wagons than that we'd hit scum and then the specific PR that scum claimed. Your emotion post-flip (and the fact that nobody but Eden seems to want to argue it) is pretty convincing, though.

I know worcej has faked that kind of reaction as scum before.

I do want you to find an example of this.

I know ghug doesn't need an example of me doing it as town, he's lived through it.

[worcej]

Actually yea that’s better than them focusing on each other

Well, people didn't like it when I focused on you.

So which is it?

Arguing you can't win because you tried doing two bad things seems pretty defeatist of you

Just do better

I cannot 'do better' when no one non-Eden objectively commented on my points I made about Eden's movement on EOD2.

[snowy801]

Well, people didn't like it when I focused on you.

So which is it?

Arguing you can't win because you tried doing two bad things seems pretty defeatist of you

Just do better

I cannot 'do better' when no one non-Eden objectively commented on my points I made about Eden's movement on EOD2.

I'm going to dig up a post for you, which may contain some perspective on this matter

[BunnyGo]

I find this advice to be incredibly off-putting simply because you're telling me to let bozo's responses go uncontested and stop pointing at the flaws in his responses.

If I don't comment back at his take, I bet numerous people would frame this up as I gave up and therefor I am scum.

You think I can’t read his stuff for myself and think? How little do you think of your teammates? If it’s so little that we can’t read for ourselves, then you’ve lost whether you post or not.

Considering I have a 'thing' about not being heard and being misrepresented and misconstrued, you'll never see me go down without responding back to someone who is commenting on my intentions or state of mind.

Let’s test that theory, shall we?

Because it’s fairly clear to me that all your arguments are forgetting that the goal isn’t to be RIGHT, it’s to convince the jury. And none of your actions or writings are meaningfully considering your audience. They’re designed to shout and be violent and loud.

But if you wonder why you aren’t heard as much as you think you should be, maybe you should consider your goals and general audience.

[worcej]

worcej if scum would probably have claimed one of the other PR, whatever they are, not doc after seeing bozo

If bozo had claimed JOAT, I would've just claimed doctor and then probably just died.

Getting more level-headed and chilled out, I am glad that he picked doctor since I could CC him and now instantly get him killed D3.

But yeah, bozo's scumtell is messing information up and doubling down with bad information to frame motives. He was so obviously scum to me on the comments about my opinion on Chaqa.

Saying D2 instead of N1 and then correcting it is not "messing information up and doubling down with bad information". If you think this is my scum tell, can you site an example?

Your entire case right now is the example and I've already commented on it profusely.

[snowy801]

Arguing you can't win because you tried doing two bad things seems pretty defeatist of you

Just do better

I cannot 'do better' when no one non-Eden objectively commented on my points I made about Eden's movement on EOD2.

I'm going to dig up a post for you, which may contain some perspective on this matter

viewtopic.php?p=243721#p243721

You don't need to win an argument against Eden, just say enough that the conversation speaks for itself. Same with bozo

I think you attempt to outright force the other to concede some concept of debate when it was never about that at all

[snowy801]

You think I can’t read his stuff for myself and think? How little do you think of your teammates? If it’s so little that we can’t read for ourselves, then you’ve lost whether you post or not.

Considering I have a 'thing' about not being heard and being misrepresented and misconstrued, you'll never see me go down without responding back to someone who is commenting on my intentions or state of mind.

Let’s test that theory, shall we?

Because it’s fairly clear to me that all your arguments are forgetting that the goal isn’t to be RIGHT, it’s to convince the jury. And none of your actions or writings are meaningfully considering your audience. They’re designed to shout and be violent and loud.

But if you wonder why you aren’t heard as much as you think you should be, maybe you should consider your goals and general audience.

Damn it Bunny I was about to drop wisdom bombs on him stop stealing my thunder

[worcej]

You think I can’t read his stuff for myself and think? How little do you think of your teammates? If it’s so little that we can’t read for ourselves, then you’ve lost whether you post or not.

Considering I have a 'thing' about not being heard and being misrepresented and misconstrued, you'll never see me go down without responding back to someone who is commenting on my intentions or state of mind.

Let’s test that theory, shall we?

Because it’s fairly clear to me that all your arguments are forgetting that the goal isn’t to be RIGHT, it’s to convince the jury. And none of your actions or writings are meaningfully considering your audience. They’re designed to shout and be violent and loud.

But if you wonder why you aren’t heard as much as you think you should be, maybe you should consider your goals and general audience.

Uh... pretty sure my audience is everyone in the game right now.

I'm pointing out how bozo is incorrectly interpreting my intentions and framing up my position to everyone. He is explaining what worcej is doing in defense of himself, why can I not do the same? Why are you trying to shut me down right now?

This has nothing to do with me being right and you portraying this is an interesting move for you to make. Combined with these attempted shutdowns and soft character attacks, I'm growing rather of you.

[worcej]

I cannot 'do better' when no one non-Eden objectively commented on my points I made about Eden's movement on EOD2.

I'm going to dig up a post for you, which may contain some perspective on this matter

viewtopic.php?p=243721#p243721

You don't need to win an argument against Eden, just say enough that the conversation speaks for itself. Same with bozo

I think you attempt to outright force the other to concede some concept of debate when it was never about that at all

This doesn't help me.

[worcej]

This looks good in hindsight too, he never did come back

Man you guys really accomplished little while I was gone

Again, this kind of thing based on an incorrect assumption can lose the game for town.

Exactly. I'm really not enjoying this game.

Somewhat interesting to see Bunny latching onto Bozo at this point, which is before he started to begin the 'attempted shutdown' of my counter to bozo's interpretation of my own actions and intent.

[BunnyGo]

Considering I have a 'thing' about not being heard and being misrepresented and misconstrued, you'll never see me go down without responding back to someone who is commenting on my intentions or state of mind.

Let’s test that theory, shall we?

Because it’s fairly clear to me that all your arguments are forgetting that the goal isn’t to be RIGHT, it’s to convince the jury. And none of your actions or writings are meaningfully considering your audience. They’re designed to shout and be violent and loud.

But if you wonder why you aren’t heard as much as you think you should be, maybe you should consider your goals and general audience.

Uh... pretty sure my audience is everyone in the game right now.

I'm pointing out how bozo is incorrectly interpreting my intentions and framing up my position to everyone. He is explaining what worcej is doing in defense of himself, why can I not do the same? Why are you trying to shut me down right now?

This has nothing to do with me being right and you portraying this is an interesting move for you to make. Combined with these attempted shutdowns and soft character attacks, I'm growing rather of you.

Time for another “old man tells a story”:

Episode 4? Let’s say four.

I had a friend as a kid who loved to argue. He was loud. And he was RIGHT. And if you were wrong he’d let you know. Be it pedantry or general point, he’d argue with you.

Now, we were obnoxious and fairly intelligent and competitive teens. We all argued and enjoyed being RIGHT. But this guy needed it.

One day, my dad taught me the meanest thing you could do to this kid was say “I agree.” He told us this IN FRONT OF THE KID. Then when the kid tried arguing with my dad, my dad would just say “<kids name>, you’re right. I’m not disagreeing with you.”

But the kid needed to argue. He needed to be RIGHT! He couldn’t stop himself from trying to find another thing to argue about and show how my dad was wrong.

Needless to say, it was very funny. And everyone but the kid learned a good lesson.

[worcej]

So then who are making wrong assumptions, and who are clearly skirting along since they know too much bozo?

So far the only new thing you have produced since EoD is that were making assumptions.

Curious that Bunny didn't decide to lecture Bozo for 'arguing' with people about these assumptions.

[BunnyGo]

Again, this kind of thing based on an incorrect assumption can lose the game for town.

Exactly. I'm really not enjoying this game.

Somewhat interesting to see Bunny latching onto Bozo at this point, which is before he started to begin the 'attempted shutdown' of my counter to bozo's interpretation of my own actions and intent.

You’re right. It’s very interesting.

[BunnyGo]

So then who are making wrong assumptions, and who are clearly skirting along since they know too much bozo?

So far the only new thing you have produced since EoD is that were making assumptions.

Curious that Bunny didn't decide to lecture Bozo for 'arguing' with people about these assumptions.

That’s also true. Very curious.

[BesharamSabi]

I’m charming

I suppose that's one way to put it

The snow bunny ship? Who is in for this?