M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

It is easy to fake crumbs like that.

Perhaps, but I'm not the kind of player to take a chance that I might pick someone who isn't a VT. How would I as scum know Flum was VT?

It only makes sense if he was my teammate. As Eden said before, there's very few people I would trust to make a play like that with, and Flum isn't one of them.

If you weren't the cop, and you were wrong about Flum being VT, what would you expect him to do? Immediately correct you and say "No Chaqa I'm actually the JOAT!"

Highly unlikely.

No, but if/when he eventually revealed, he would be able to out me as a fake.

[Tom Bombadil]

I find worcejs reaction extremely suspicious if jasnah is scum considering how quick he was to immediately think she must be scum from a play that makes zero sense as either alignment.

Tom, why do you think it's more likely this was an impulsive bus than an impulsive scumread of the person in a CC who he believes to not be the role they're both claiming?

Because scum are quicker to jump to conclusions given their knowledge of what is the truth (again assuming jasnah was scum). I would expect town to take longer to try to figure out who is telling the truth versus immediately assuming one or the other is being truthful.

His follow up post to immediately ending jasnah was:

"D1 is jasnah/Bunny
D2 is Bunny/jasnah
D3 we resume the game.

Looks like we got our 'boring PR game' after all lawlz

Probably should've just no-killed like I proposed."

which seemed a little like covering his tracks to me.

[ghug]

From my perspective my crumb was basically unchallengeable.

It is easy to fake crumbs like that.

Perhaps, but I'm not the kind of player to take a chance that I might pick someone who isn't a VT. How would I as scum know Flum was VT?

It only makes sense if he was my teammate. As Eden said before, there's very few people I would trust to make a play like that with, and Flum isn't one of them.

Except that if he's a PR, you're still outing a PR when you get counterclaimed, which isn't so bad for you.

[ghug]

With all this discussion about how much time worcej had to process and second guess Chaqa's cop claim, I'm surprised bozo isn't considering how much time Chaqa had to reflect on allegedly outing himself.

If Chaqa is the cop and knows claiming makes him either a NK target or negates the usefulness of is role, why didn't he immediately retract the claim at the start of the night? He had the same 20 minutes worcej did to react, and he only retracted the claim after 30.

I think someone in scumchat pointed out that he needed to retract it.

It was you, wasn't it?

[Vecna]

Feeling better about bozo after reading the last few pages

Why can't we have at least one obv scum

I know right

[kgray]

I find worcejs reaction extremely suspicious if jasnah is scum considering how quick he was to immediately think she must be scum from a play that makes zero sense as either alignment.

Tom, why do you think it's more likely this was an impulsive bus than an impulsive scumread of the person in a CC who he believes to not be the role they're both claiming?

Because scum are quicker to jump to conclusions given their knowledge of what is the truth (again assuming jasnah was scum). I would expect town to take longer to try to figure out who is telling the truth versus immediately assuming one or the other is being truthful.

His follow up post to immediately ending jasnah was:

"D1 is jasnah/Bunny
D2 is Bunny/jasnah
D3 we resume the game.

Looks like we got our 'boring PR game' after all lawlz

Probably should've just no-killed like I proposed."

which seemed a little like covering his tracks to me.

Okay, thanks. I can't get over the fact that I immediately believed Bunny over jasnah (in terms of the Miller claims - I do think jasnah was probably town), so I don't find worcej believing Bunny also to be a sign that he knows too much.

And I think worcej is more careful as scum and more likely to jump to wild conclusions as town. And most importantly, I think immediately bussing a teammate doesn't make much sense at all in this setup.

I'm just not seeing any world in which worcej and jasnah are scumbuddies and it concerns me that this is (I think) your strongest read in the game.

[Vecna]

Bozo's framing a case on me with the phases not even accurately accounted for.

He quotes my post, clearly showing a Friday timestamp, and labels it as D2. He doubles down on this multiple times.

This is one of the more obvious scumtells I've seen in awhile.

##vote bozo

It is obvious I was talking about N1, not D2, and I already corrected that in another post. That is a very poor excuse for a scum read.

Is it? I think you just don't like a blatantly bad slip by you. That you did multiple times.

Framing me leading off D2 with something regarding Chaqa versus N1 is a big deal because of the time difference to form thoughts and opinions on the subject matter.

You also said that you hoped scum would NK snowy. Is he that obv-town to you, even though youre irritated?

[Tom Bombadil]

The damo kill is still lingering in my mind as well.

We know damo was town. We know that he softed COP fairly blatantly. Then we have a cop claim and retract - but definitely puts into question damos soft.

So either scum

1) Thought he was COP and killed him (this would heavily implicate Chaqa being scum.) I don't know that people familiar with damo would really believe he would soft that hard though were he the actual cop. Upon a reread of damo is seems pretty likely he was just trying to draw the NK.

2) Thought he was trying to draw the NK and killed him anyway because of reads. Damo laid out his reads, but never pushed too hard so I don't see too much here either. The biggest angle would maybe be that he had a few strong towreads (Eden, DOom, BSabi) that they wanted him to die with.

Just seems like a weird kill to me. Maybe slighly less experience scumteam? Though that seems unlikely from a probability standpoint. If scum thought damo was faking the claim they surely would have pegged him as VT and not another PR - so the kill makes no sense to me unless they dont care about trying to hit PRs.

[TheFlyingBoat]

I would, but every time I post something there's thirty more posts about how I'm scum and fake claiming. I'm kinda over trying for now, hence why I said I'd sheep Flum or Bunny.

If he's fake claiming then why hasn't the real cop cc'd.

Why on earth would the real cop cc this early?

[lfischl]

I would, but every time I post something there's thirty more posts about how I'm scum and fake claiming. I'm kinda over trying for now, hence why I said I'd sheep Flum or Bunny.

If he's fake claiming then why hasn't the real cop cc'd.

Why on earth would the real cop cc this early?

Fair enough

[Durga]

Lfischl, any strong thoughts atm?

I still don't like bozo and am leading towards eden as scum. Worcej has brought up an interesting point about sabi only wanting to vote him, my guess is sabi is town, but it would be nice to hear more about other people from them.

Why Eden

[Tom Bombadil]

Tom, why do you think it's more likely this was an impulsive bus than an impulsive scumread of the person in a CC who he believes to not be the role they're both claiming?

Because scum are quicker to jump to conclusions given their knowledge of what is the truth (again assuming jasnah was scum). I would expect town to take longer to try to figure out who is telling the truth versus immediately assuming one or the other is being truthful.

His follow up post to immediately ending jasnah was:

"D1 is jasnah/Bunny
D2 is Bunny/jasnah
D3 we resume the game.

Looks like we got our 'boring PR game' after all lawlz

Probably should've just no-killed like I proposed."

which seemed a little like covering his tracks to me.

Okay, thanks. I can't get over the fact that I immediately believed Bunny over jasnah (in terms of the Miller claims - I do think jasnah was probably town), so I don't find worcej believing Bunny also to be a sign that he knows too much.

And I think worcej is more careful as scum and more likely to jump to wild conclusions as town. And most importantly, I think immediately bussing a teammate doesn't make much sense at all in this setup.

I'm just not seeing any world in which worcej and jasnah are scumbuddies and it concerns me that this is (I think) your strongest read in the game.

I don't think people (scum) are going to play much differently with no flip. If I've learned anything about mafia here it is that people love bussing.

I don't really agree that worcej is more careful but I can understand your point that his immediate end vote seems to be careless (though also for effect since obviously the end vote would never go through).

For the record, my strongest read is bona as town (besides assuming for now Bunny and Flum and Chaqa - though the Chaqa thing is giving me pause a little).

Other than that, I don't really have strong reads. If I haven't mentioned someone I don't have a strong read of them..so yeah

[Tom Bombadil]

kgray - what do you make of Durga's hard defense of jasnah's claim?

[ghug]

I don't know, why does he?

Jamie is a very stupid person. To prove that scumreading you for stupid reasons is scummy, you have to show his behavior as town, not just his behavior as scum.

Weren't you the one going off about how Jamiet's actually a smart player and we underestimate him at our peril in M69?

Not to detract from your actual point but what changed your mind?

Nah, he's not actually stupid. I'm just not a big fan right now.

[Chaqa]

The damo kill is still lingering in my mind as well.

We know damo was town. We know that he softed COP fairly blatantly. Then we have a cop claim and retract - but definitely puts into question damos soft.
-- snipped--

He most definitely did not.

[Durga]

kgray - what do you make of Durga's hard defense of jasnah's claim?

My what

[ghug]

I find worcejs reaction extremely suspicious if jasnah is scum considering how quick he was to immediately think she must be scum from a play that makes zero sense as either alignment.

Tom, why do you think it's more likely this was an impulsive bus than an impulsive scumread of the person in a CC who he believes to not be the role they're both claiming?

Because scum are quicker to jump to conclusions given their knowledge of what is the truth (again assuming jasnah was scum). I would expect town to take longer to try to figure out who is telling the truth versus immediately assuming one or the other is being truthful.

His follow up post to immediately ending jasnah was:

"D1 is jasnah/Bunny
D2 is Bunny/jasnah
D3 we resume the game.

Looks like we got our 'boring PR game' after all lawlz

Probably should've just no-killed like I proposed."

which seemed a little like covering his tracks to me.

I'm still balled that you're assuming jasnah was scum. Nearly everyone's reaction was initially thinking she was scum after Bunny's claim and then coming around, or thinking she was scum from the get go, but you initially thought she was scum, started to come around, and then returned to thinking she was scum. Why?

[Tom Bombadil]

kgray - what do you make of Durga's hard defense of jasnah's claim?

My what

Your defense of jasnah's claim and how there was no motivation for scum jasnah to do that and you thought it was a joke. This is while worcej and others were all voting jasnah?

[Jamiet99uk]

Jeez ghug if nobody's on go the fuck to sleep

What's the context for this weird comment?

[lfischl]

Lfischl, any strong thoughts atm?

I still don't like bozo and am leading towards eden as scum. Worcej has brought up an interesting point about sabi only wanting to vote him, my guess is sabi is town, but it would be nice to hear more about other people from them.

Why Eden

Mostly a gut feeling for me. I just don't think he's town.