MAFIA XXXVII: THE WHEEL OF WEB-TIME

[Squigs44]

If Bozo is really the SK as it seems we are in a really good position.

##vote Bozo

I am not sure we should end without allowing him at least to defend himself.

If you lynch me town will not be in a good position at all. There would be 3 town, 1 SK, and 1 scum left, and after tonight, there likely would be 1 town, 1 SK and 1 scum.

Your math is off. There are seven of us still alive. After you are lynched there will be six.

[Squigs44]

That answered our SK question: ##VOTE bozo
##END

It does not surprise me that flash immediately wanted to end. It is important to give the tracker a chance to make a report for town to have a chance to win. Maybe he tracked the SK or NK.

If tracker did get info, he would probably want to share it at EoN, not during the day. The ONLY reason I can see tracker revealing himself before the lynch is if he tracked Bozo and got a null result meaning Bozo is not scum. Since everyone but Damo has voted Bozo, then unless Damo is tracker, that is not the case. Also, Vec specifically told the tracker not to track Bozo. So we really don't need to give tracker a chance to claim before ending.

Bozo, I think you are grasping at anything you can to stay alive.

[worcej]

I can't find it in the rules if the doctor dies before the save, so...

#Call GM - Can you confirm if the doctor's save will occur if they die during step 4?

[worcej]

Also, ##unend just to be safe.

[worcej]

(fixing my lack of #)

##Call GM - Can you confirm if the doctor's save will occur if they die during step 4?

[worcej]

Also, if bozo is actually town, we will most likely be in Lylo only after N5, dependent entirely on the SK kill because if they hit the mafia it would be mylo instead (pretty sure)

[worcej]

And again, if bozo *is* town, then peterlund will officially be terrible in my books for covering bozo for no reason. I still don't get why he was anti-vecna anyways when no CC came from anyone.

[bozotheclown]

If Bozo is really the SK as it seems we are in a really good position.

##vote Bozo

I am not sure we should end without allowing him at least to defend himself.

If you lynch me town will not be in a good position at all. There would be 3 town, 1 SK, and 1 scum left, and after tonight, there likely would be 1 town, 1 SK and 1 scum.

Your math is off. There are seven of us still alive. After you are lynched there will be six.

Sorry, I miscounted because I did not realize damo has not voted yet.

[bozotheclown]

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That answered our SK question: ##VOTE bozo
##END

It does not surprise me that flash immediately wanted to end. It is important to give the tracker a chance to make a report for town to have a chance to win. Maybe he tracked the SK or NK.

If tracker did get info, he would probably want to share it at EoN, not during the day. The ONLY reason I can see tracker revealing himself before the lynch is if he tracked Bozo and got a null result meaning Bozo is not scum. Since everyone but Damo has voted Bozo, then unless Damo is tracker, that is not the case. Also, Vec specifically told the tracker not to track Bozo. So we really don't need to give tracker a chance to claim before ending.

Bozo, I think you are grasping at anything you can to stay alive.

The tracker could have tracked the SK or the last scum.

[worcej]

I am not sure what happened, but my guess is that peter still thought Vecna was scum and saved me because he thought Vecna was going to NK me to make it look like he was JOAT. Of course Vecna really was the JOAT, but peter did not believe him.

I think flash is very likely to be the last scum.

##VOTE flash2015

The problem I have is this idea of peter saving bozo is actually possible now based on re-reading Peter's anti-Vecna campaign, though I will have the same level of toxic-hate that Jaime had for BB if it is true.

I need that GM response before I resume my end vote and if it is true he could save, we HAVE to get some other intel to work off of.

[bozotheclown]

If Bozo is really the SK as it seems we are in a really good position.

##vote Bozo

I am not sure we should end without allowing him at least to defend himself.

If you lynch me town will not be in a good position at all. There would be 3 town, 1 SK, and 1 scum left, and after tonight, there likely would be 1 town, 1 SK and 1 scum.

Your math is off. There are seven of us still alive. After you are lynched there will be six.

Going into D6 with 2 town, the SK, and scum is still a guaranteed loss for town.

[Squigs44]

I am not sure what happened, but my guess is that peter still thought Vecna was scum and saved me because he thought Vecna was going to NK me to make it look like he was JOAT. Of course Vecna really was the JOAT, but peter did not believe him.

I think flash is very likely to be the last scum.

##VOTE flash2015

The problem I have is this idea of peter saving bozo is actually possible now based on re-reading Peter's anti-Vecna campaign, though I will have the same level of toxic-hate that Jaime had for BB if it is true.

I need that GM response before I resume my end vote and if it is true he could save, we HAVE to get some other intel to work off of.

You really think there is a better option to lynch than Bozo?? Even before Vecs kill failed, I was scumreading Bozo over anyone. The failed kill just adds that much more confidence. I still think we should talk this out before we end it, but at this point I don't see myself voting for anyone except Bozo. Even if Peter did order a save on Bozo, that doesn't mean he is town. It just means Peter thought he was town.

[worcej]

This is why I am concerned: We are actually at a shit spot if bozo is town. FYI - We are at 5 town, 1 SK, 1 Mafia.

If Bozo = town and lynch, we go to 4-1-1.

Night can play out like this:

1. 2 Town are killed - thus 2-1-1, meaning Town will lose.
2. 1 Town and Mafia are killed - thus 3-1-0, which would be MYLO
3. 1 Town dies (mafia and SK target the same guy) thus 3-1-1, which is still MYLO

We really need to be careful with this lynch. This sounds PR hunting, but knowing this info we most likely need some sort of tracker info to justify any of this.

[Squigs44]

This is why I am concerned: We are actually at a shit spot if bozo is town. FYI - We are at 5 town, 1 SK, 1 Mafia.

If Bozo = town and lynch, we go to 4-1-1.

Night can play out like this:

1. 2 Town are killed - thus 2-1-1, meaning Town will lose.
2. 1 Town and Mafia are killed - thus 3-1-0, which would be MYLO
3. 1 Town dies (mafia and SK target the same guy) thus 3-1-1, which is still MYLO

We really need to be careful with this lynch. This sounds PR hunting, but knowing this info we most likely need some sort of tracker info to justify any of this.

Tracker, do not claim!!! If we get the GM update with how I think the rules work, then we don't need the tracker to claim.
Worcej, you are making me rethink my read on you.

[worcej]

I am not sure what happened, but my guess is that peter still thought Vecna was scum and saved me because he thought Vecna was going to NK me to make it look like he was JOAT. Of course Vecna really was the JOAT, but peter did not believe him.

I think flash is very likely to be the last scum.

##VOTE flash2015

The problem I have is this idea of peter saving bozo is actually possible now based on re-reading Peter's anti-Vecna campaign, though I will have the same level of toxic-hate that Jaime had for BB if it is true.

I need that GM response before I resume my end vote and if it is true he could save, we HAVE to get some other intel to work off of.

You really think there is a better option to lynch than Bozo?? Even before Vecs kill failed, I was scumreading Bozo over anyone. The failed kill just adds that much more confidence. I still think we should talk this out before we end it, but at this point I don't see myself voting for anyone except Bozo. Even if Peter did order a save on Bozo, that doesn't mean he is town. It just means Peter thought he was town.

I don't have any actual scum lean/read on Bozo to be honest. I said it earlier, Flash and Bismark were my leans.

The only reason I rushed bozo was the fact that I immediately assume the kill didn't work, but with the fact that peter was 'all in' on anti-Vecna (again, why the fuck was he?!) could make me believe he would submit a save order on bozo.

But legit though, we are at a pivotal point. If bozo is town and we lynch him and lose because of it, that will be shit. If he would've died during the night and was town, we'd be at least @ MYLO right now instead which is better.

Again, because of all this, WE NEED THE TRACKER'S INTEL!

[worcej]

And correct, TRACKER DO NOT CLAIM UNTIL THE GM RESPONDS!

[worcej]

I understand this comes off as scum hunting, I get it, but my biggest thing is we are NOT in a position to allow a miss-lynch, that could be severely costly...

[worcej]

God I typo too much... This comes off as PR hunting which is scummy***

[ND]

##GM NOTE

Not sure if I understand the question and the order of adjudication notes are really clear. If a player dies at step four, and they have an action keyed in for a later step they are unable to execute it because they are dead unless they get healed in step 6.

[BismarckAlive]

Given the GM clarification, Peter's saving action did not happen because he was killed at Step 4.

So, I see no need to question the lynching of Bozo as I believe Vecna's claims.