M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

Also if this isn't Jamie being toxic, I don't want to see toxic.

This is the least toxic Jamiet I've seen from him by leagues since I returned here

[Durga]

##vote President Eden

In case my vote wasn't there already

##end

is there anything here other than OMGUS?

[ghug]

@ghug who else is scum, do you reckon?

I like kgray, bozo, Jamie as possibilities.

You, lfischl, Tom, Bona, Flum, maybe worcej are the next line.

Every argument (if they can even be called that) I've seen you make for me being scum has involved me being parters with worcej or chaqa. How are they not even in your scumteam with me?

Oh lol I forgot Chaqa in the top list.

[ghug]

@ghug who else is scum, do you reckon?

I like kgray, bozo, Jamie as possibilities.

You, lfischl, Tom, Bona, Flum, maybe worcej are the next line.

Every argument (if they can even be called that) I've seen you make for me being scum has involved me being parters with worcej or chaqa. How are they not even in your scumteam with me?

But also this is false. I've barely pushed you/worcej and the primary argument is that you're not obvtown, which you're ignoring cause you don't care.

[ghug]

i'm fucking dead


vetoed, he's harmless, he will wake up in the morning and be fine. 50/50 on whether he openly says anything about it or just moves on, but nothing to worry about

I mean yeah he's not being toxic this time, but he has the past several times, and he flips out every game. He's been horribly rude to lfischl, me, and worcej among others, and for all his talk of flipping out at people because they're not helping town, either he's town not helping town, or he's scum taking advantage of a reputation he's developed not helping town. I'm tired of it.

and you've never been horribly rude to those people :p

There's been a push to make this all less toxic, which I'm totally on board with. Jamie has been beyond unpleasant the past couple games.

[ghug]

Also if this isn't Jamie being toxic, I don't want to see toxic.

No you do not.

[Durga]

I mean, I get sorting town and non-town. I don't get having everyone say on a player a lot of people think are Town to say "Town or not Town". Do that to players people think are Scum. We don't need to play survey says on safe players, because if everyone agree they're obviously town, that's a solid Mafia shot.

My actual read was Bozo didn't take initiative on those things (Actually, I might be slightly off there on the Damo comment thread), not the doing of them.

also, I'm begining to doubt a lot of my analysis that relies on this being a no-flip game, because, well, I'm starting to doubt the Mafia would change their gameplay for it. It doesn't really seem like town is changing their priors much, so...

Please promise me you'll play a regular game after this one

[kgray]

I like kgray, bozo, Jamie as possibilities.

You, lfischl, Tom, Bona, Flum, maybe worcej are the next line.

Every argument (if they can even be called that) I've seen you make for me being scum has involved me being parters with worcej or chaqa. How are they not even in your scumteam with me?

But also this is false. I've barely pushed you/worcej and the primary argument is that you're not obvtown, which you're ignoring cause you don't care.

I'm ignoring it because wtf am I supposed to even say to that? It's not a real argument. You're being so vague it gives me nothing to even respond to. Though you're right, I'm really starting not to care.

[kgray]

I guess since ghug isn't obvtown he's my primary suspect now. And that's all I'll say on this because apparently this argument has merit.

##vote ghug

[ghug]

Every argument (if they can even be called that) I've seen you make for me being scum has involved me being parters with worcej or chaqa. How are they not even in your scumteam with me?

But also this is false. I've barely pushed you/worcej and the primary argument is that you're not obvtown, which you're ignoring cause you don't care.

I'm ignoring it because wtf am I supposed to even say to that? It's not a real argument. You're being so vague it gives me nothing to even respond to. Though you're right, I'm really starting not to care.

Well, you can ignore responding to it, but you can't pretend it doesn't exist.

[ghug]

I guess since ghug isn't obvtown he's my primary suspect now. And that's all I'll say on this because apparently this argument has merit.

##vote ghug

Lol

[President Eden]

See, this is bargaining. It's not "I am irritationally and pathetically mad because I descend from inbred imperialists". It's "look how mad I am, here's how it can stop".

i'm fucking dead

Can we ban Jamie yet?

@Eden @Chaqa @Vecna @brainbomb who would never agree with me because he's benefitted from not being banned even he should in the past

vetoed, he's harmless, he will wake up in the morning and be fine. 50/50 on whether he openly says anything about it or just moves on, but nothing to worry about

I mean yeah he's not being toxic this time, but he has the past several times, and he flips out every game. He's been horribly rude to lfischl, me, and worcej among others, and for all his talk of flipping out at people because they're not helping town, either he's town not helping town, or he's scum taking advantage of a reputation he's developed not helping town. I'm tired of it.

I feel like we (Kouncil hat on, as Dargo might say) give you this answer a lot and nothing really happens, so I’m sorry to do it again, but can we postpone this until postgame? I regret even casually responding because this isn’t the venue for me to be speaking on behalf of two people in the game and not here right now, and two people outside the game. I’d reach out in DMs but ongoing game and such.

Also if this isn't Jamie being toxic, I don't want to see toxic.

It is, but I’m pretty confident that the way I’m handling it will best minimize drama. Y’all obviously have to sort him and I know this helps, but I regret feeding into the meta discussion and would like to save it til later if that’s alright.

[Durga]

@snowy did you explain why you thought worcej is scum and i missed it somewhere?

[ghug]

i'm fucking dead


vetoed, he's harmless, he will wake up in the morning and be fine. 50/50 on whether he openly says anything about it or just moves on, but nothing to worry about

I mean yeah he's not being toxic this time, but he has the past several times, and he flips out every game. He's been horribly rude to lfischl, me, and worcej among others, and for all his talk of flipping out at people because they're not helping town, either he's town not helping town, or he's scum taking advantage of a reputation he's developed not helping town. I'm tired of it.

I feel like we (Kouncil hat on, as Dargo might say) give you this answer a lot and nothing really happens, so I’m sorry to do it again, but can we postpone this until postgame? I regret even casually responding because this isn’t the venue for me to be speaking on behalf of two people in the game and not here right now, and two people outside the game. I’d reach out in DMs but ongoing game and such.

Also if this isn't Jamie being toxic, I don't want to see toxic.

It is, but I’m pretty confident that the way I’m handling it will best minimize drama. Y’all obviously have to sort him and I know this helps, but I regret feeding into the meta discussion and would like to save it til later if that’s alright.

No, it's not the venue for you to be talking about it, but I'm tired of y'all pretending to care when you don't. If you want to tell me to fuck off, tell me to fuck off. You can trust that there's no risk that I'll suddenly start respecting the council less.

Darg asked me before the game if I could handle Jamie playing, and I told him I'd suck it up until he inevitably started pulling the same shit again. This is only halfway there (which is still terrible, as is evidenced by Durga's reaction), but the leash should be shorter at this point. Y'all have warned me for daring to question it in much less aggressive terms than those he uses, so I'm sure you'll do it again.

I'll leave it at this: Jamie, go fuck yourself. I like you sometimes, but this is just sad. Either don't be an asshole, or stop playing for a little while. You're hurting feelings, and you're hurting whichever team you're on. It's no good.

[Durga]

I feel like I've missed a lot.

[snowy801]

I feel like I've missed a lot.

It's been bad.

Re: worcej, yes, but apparently people ignore everything that's been written if it wasn't in the past 5 pages. I'll write up a new summary uh eventually, I guess.

Sigh I never should've made that promise

[BunnyGo]

The rd take and the bunny take.

My take on what?

Her take on your take on bona and Durga. For my part, I thought it was shitty and contrived, but I ignored it because apparently you're town.

Shitty and contrived is what I do. But if I’m putting in the search, I’m sharing. Eventually something makes some sense. And if it’s shit it drops away.

[Fluminator]

Wait nm, I think I get what ghug was trying to say now. hmmmm

Can you share?

He was saying the possibility that mafia without Chaqa thinking Chaqa wasn't cop is 0

[Durga]

I feel like I've missed a lot.

It's been bad.

Re: worcej, yes, but apparently people ignore everything that's been written if it wasn't in the past 5 pages. I'll write up a new summary uh eventually, I guess.

Sigh I never should've made that promise

give me the tldr on worcej

[Fluminator]

This is an example of setup complaining that I find alignment indicative

Did it come before or after you said that?

After

See Flum's as a statement after that was clearly meant to garner townreads.

I've been saying this before the game even started