M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

I viewed jasnah as by far the best “miss” available if she were in fact town—there were a couple of “utility” reasons to kill her that didn’t depend on her alignment:
• resolving the Miller claims so people could move on, as several players locked into that issue and didn’t do much of anything else;
• ensuring we didn’t vote a potentially productive player out, as for whatever merits jasnah may have as an individual player, she played very counterproductively for town as a team.

None of that has anything to do with her alignment, so we looked for better shots and found a good one in Chaqa.

I think it's a slight mistake to consider the miller claim completely resolved. I don't think we have a consensus of truly believing Bunny yet.

Are you suggesting you think Jasnah was really the Miller?

[Jamiet99uk]

So that addresses anything that specifically calls me out or addresses me.

I want to take a look at Worcej because at a glance it seems like he was a leading wagon approaching EoD but did very little to defend himself.

I wasn't around when my wagon gained significant traction.

There also wasn't much to defend when I had 4 people on it - 3 of them were sheeping or providing no context for the vote.

This is an interesting take because when I re-read you it seemed to me that you did defend yourself, to Snowy at least, quite pointedly.

Now you're kinda saying that you didnt.

'kay.

[bozotheclown]

It's just a thing he nearly always does.

Swiss?

I think you were among the approximately 50% of players who refused to participate in my D1 survey in M69, although you were mafia in that game.

I’m amused that this is the post you quoted instead of the one where Jamie first raised the point. How did that happen?

The original post was in the quote chain when I responded.

[worcej]

Except that isn’t why people were scum reading me. That isn’t what got 10 of y’all to throw cautioun to the wind and try to vote out a top poster for the jasnah wagon when there were EIGHT OTHER PEOPLE also on ti.

Why was I the target? If you all hated the jasnah wagon that much why not vote any of the others on it? I mean, worcej got votes too, fair. But the entire lead up to and resins for voting me were the epitome of everything I hate about how people here play

I voted you because you want to waste two days killing Jasnah and Bunny and when I called you about it you said another thing. I know bad play isn't always scumplay and that's why I didn't scumread Jamiet that much on it. But trying to look like you didn't say what you actually said is scummy.

And you can be really towny and not get killed, like last mini game where you were alive at kilo and we won and I voted you for MVP so I really don't buy this "people always scum read me without a reason" you are pushing.

WTF I NEVER WANTED TO VOTE THEM BOTH OUT

It’s like you guys don’t even read what I write

I thought the same thing when I read rdr's post...

[Jamiet99uk]

Sorry worc if you’re town

What was this comment for, Chaqa?

I think he thought I was going to be killed off due to the claim.

Yes but he also voted for you himself and scumread you. So why apologise?

[Doom427]

Why vote? Doctored this, b/c it makes searching easier.

I'll be interested to see if anyone responded to this request.

I believe 4 people on my wagon were 'fine' with it without any real context to back it up.

I saw one response! It was a while back and didn't really remember it much, but if you search my text should find it

[Jamiet99uk]

I meant worcej

Worcej's defences seemed somewhat resonant of town!worcej, to be honest. Worcej does tend to get grumpy and start using the F-word when he feels he is being misunderstood or criticised unfairly. Problem is, that's not very alignment indicative because it's the sort of thing you could fake.

This is fucking bullshit.

You think it's fucking bullshit that I said you seemed towny in your defences?

These are very weird responses from you just now, Worcej.

[Jamiet99uk]

It's just a thing he nearly always does.

Swiss?

I think you were among the approximately 50% of players who refused to participate in my D1 survey in M69, although you were mafia in that game.

I often think your surveys are rubbish, yes. That doesn't stop you nearly always doing them.

[worcej]

So that addresses anything that specifically calls me out or addresses me.

I want to take a look at Worcej because at a glance it seems like he was a leading wagon approaching EoD but did very little to defend himself.

I wasn't around when my wagon gained significant traction.

There also wasn't much to defend when I had 4 people on it - 3 of them were sheeping or providing no context for the vote.

This is an interesting take because when I re-read you it seemed to me that you did defend yourself, to Snowy at least, quite pointedly.

Now you're kinda saying that you didnt.

'kay.

I defended myself, with the posts you quoted, against snowy when it was snowy, sabi, Durga, and TFB.

When it gained more people, such as bozo, Tom, ghug, and Chaqa, I wasn't here to attack them for their votes.

Bozo and Tom's were the 'okay fine' type votes. Bozo at least said he though I could be scum, but the reason wasn't around. Tom is barely playing, so meh.

Ghug will never miss a chance to kill me, so I don't think much of it quite honestly.

Chaqa had expressed interest in killing me a couple times, so at least he had something to stand on.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie T: I notice that Worcej did actually defend himself, and he seemed somewhat town!Worcej in the way he did so.

Worcej: Fucking bullshit!

[ghug]

We had votes on WorceJ, and Chaqa, and our dearly departed at EoD. After the cop claim happened, they moved over to Jasnah. Thought-if people hated the Jasnah wagon, why not go WorceJ? Counter thought-I don't have any idea who WorceJ is (sorry, Worce, there's 21 people in this thread, I'm sure you're cool). Just would like to see some response from people who swapped why they did.

I'll be interested to see if anyone responded to this request.

I believe 4 people on my wagon were 'fine' with it without any real context to back it up.

He's asking the opposite, no? Why did people move to jasnah and not you?

[worcej]

Also yes, we're speedkilling Chaqa if he survives tonight. We won't even give him a chance for final words.

If you place an end vote and do not proceed to get scummed for it then I'll have a lot of people I can call hypocrites during next phase.

[damo666]

Wow, way to avoid Jamie's question. Obvscum

Good enough for me. I'm convinced.

Are you on the Chaqa/kgray team or the Durga/worcej team, damo?

Dunno

[worcej]

Jamie T: I notice that Worcej did actually defend himself, and he seemed somewhat town!Worcej in the way he did so.

Worcej: Fucking bullshit!

It's like the joke flew over your head a first time, then circled back to land again and forgot to put the wheels down...

[worcej]

We had votes on WorceJ, and Chaqa, and our dearly departed at EoD. After the cop claim happened, they moved over to Jasnah. Thought-if people hated the Jasnah wagon, why not go WorceJ? Counter thought-I don't have any idea who WorceJ is (sorry, Worce, there's 21 people in this thread, I'm sure you're cool). Just would like to see some response from people who swapped why they did.

I'll be interested to see if anyone responded to this request.

I believe 4 people on my wagon were 'fine' with it without any real context to back it up.

He's asking the opposite, no? Why did people move to jasnah and not you?

I want to know why people picked her over me. I think it's great context for people to expand on.

[ghug]

I didn't like the jasnah wagon but I ended up voting her over worcej because I wasn't seeing a good case for scum!worcej, and I was getting increasingly suspicious of snowy, who'd presented the largest case on worcej (none of which was convincing to me), and I kind of felt like worcej was just becoming the default counter wagon. In particular, I was worried Durga was looking for a way to save Chaqa, but there were also other people that made me suspicious and I'll have to go back to find them.

Ok, but if you thought jasnah was town too, why didn't you prefer to kill worcej for shits and giggles?

Because even though we butt heads, she actually likes to play to win versus for the lolz

I'm operating under the belief that the two of you were equally undesirable kills to her on those grounds.

[worcej]

Teach me to say anything nice about Jamiet

He has awesome hair.

[damo666]

I meant worcej

Worcej's defences seemed somewhat resonant of town!worcej, to be honest. Worcej does tend to get grumpy and start using the F-word when he feels he is being misunderstood or criticised unfairly. Problem is, that's not very alignment indicative because it's the sort of thing you could fake.

This is fucking bullshit.

Fake or grumpy? Grape or Funky?

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie T: I notice that Worcej did actually defend himself, and he seemed somewhat town!Worcej in the way he did so.

Worcej: Fucking bullshit!

It's like the joke flew over your head a first time, then circled back to land again and forgot to put the wheels down...

Standard response #2: "It was a joke".

[worcej]

kgray are you scum with worcej?

She's scum with Chaqa. Durga's scum with worcej.

There is one scum team.

What are you on about?

Man, I really think Jamie isn't good at picking up jokes.