M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

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Additionally, two hardclaims cannot exist independently. This is a big issue for me and I'm surprised others aren't making a big deal out of it. Egos, mostly.

It's possible jasnah is town doing this, but I can't see any reason for town!jasnah to fake hardclaim Miller and I can't see any reason for scum!Bunny or nonMillerTown!Bunnyt to counterclaim.

This means Bunny must be Miller and jasnah is probably scum, to me at least.

You can keep blabbing about your hard-claim all you want, put some links and all, but no real miller would be retracting it in the face of a counter-claim. She'd be on that warpath.

I continue to purport that Jasnah has not clearly retracted.

[BesharamSabi]

Woo 100 pages.

So I have a date today and wondering how I schedule things. What happens after EOD for both PR and VT?

You should schedule your date however you want to regardless of your role because literally anything going on in the real world is more important than this.

Oh I know. I just don't want to make it seem sus if I don't talk during the night chat or something.

[Chaqa]

This is a Chaqa heuristic I can get behind, he's that way in Among Us as well.

Welcome to the town pile, there are drinks in the back

He’s not that consistent. Loathe as some of you are to admit it, his mafia play defies simplistic heuristics.

Which is it, Eden?

Seeing an easy opportunity to get me miskilled?

As you will inevitably see when you finish reading, my take is that ghug is onto something but that it's not a 100% all-or-nothing tell. It is true that you show less nuance when you're impostor/mafia and that you are more likely to default to simplistic explanations and frames. You have been doing that here.

This reaction is also typical of your impostor/mafia game.

It's completely contextual on this setup.

There is an absolute benefit to having one, but not both, of the claimants dead, and if it has to be one, it should be jasnah.

Additionally it's powerful because it means there's no chance we're pushing an unrevealed PR today, which is an argument I made last game with the no-kill vote on Day 3 or 4. I was town then as well.

[ghug]

You know him better than I do. Do you think my meta on him is wrong?

Which meta?

That normally as town he freely calls out people he thinks are scummy D1 and generally gives a lot more reads than a random unexplained tunnel on damo and whatever this omgus is on me.

I don't think he really normally does anything. I don't love that the pressure actually made him get serious, as it suggests he cares about his life, but even that could come from either alignment.

[Vecna]

I'm also shocked how much I'm agreeing with bozo's take on things. I feel like I should be concerned about this.

Bozo has takes on things?

[kgray]

Oh that's why you're so keen on flipping jasnah. I can sympathize with that since I also often am tempted to flip people based on how much they irritate me.

Durga wat

Was this a secret? It's not like I'm doing that this game.

No, I mean I just can't imagine your reaction to Chaqa partially justifying a jasnah vote with contempt of her playstyle being 'yeah that makes sense' rather than 'fuck off you hypocrite'

idk maybe it's just the Flum thing still bugging me

[Chaqa]

My issue is that as this is a no-flip game, we will never know if Bunny is Miller if/when he dies. Likewise for jasnah. If we flip jasnah, at some point the JOAT can autopsy or the Oracle can reveal, and then we will get two people's roles/alignments for one, basically.

If jasnah comes up as Miller -> Bunny is scum
If jasnah comes up as scum -> Bunny is Miller
If jasnah comes up as town -> Bunny is Miller

See the value?

Additionally, two hardclaims cannot exist independently. This is a big issue for me and I'm surprised others aren't making a big deal out of it. Egos, mostly.

It's possible jasnah is town doing this, but I can't see any reason for town!jasnah to fake hardclaim Miller and I can't see any reason for scum!Bunny or nonMillerTown!Bunnyt to counterclaim.

This means Bunny must be Miller and jasnah is probably scum, to me at least.

You can keep blabbing about your hard-claim all you want, put some links and all, but no real miller would be retracting it in the face of a counter-claim. She'd be on that warpath.

Jasnah has not retracted the Miller claim as far as I'm concerned. If that was an attempt to retract, it was entirely too ambiguous.

[BunnyGo]

Oh that's why you're so keen on flipping jasnah. I can sympathize with that since I also often am tempted to flip people based on how much they irritate me.

Durga wat

Was this a secret? It's not like I'm doing that this game.

your votes are TFB, me, worcej, and ghug...

[ghug]

I've begun to observe that no one really respects hard claims anymore.

I respect a hardclaim when it´s done under pressure or with other relevant information (like who you targetted or something like that). But a Miller hard claim on middle of D1 isn´t exactly a claim that should be taken that seriously.

Ok, but that only makes sense if we're talking about a real power that actually helps us. If I'm saying "HARD CLAIM, I'M THE DOCTOR", I don't think that should be respected, b/c like you said there's no reason for me to claim it. But miller is a shitty anti-role that's only power is hurting town scans. There had been quite a bit of chatter about how Miller should hard claim in the middle of D1, even without pressure. The only drawback is maybe the Mafia shoots the Miller if everyone trusts them. Oh no.

HARD CLAIM, I'M THE DOCTOR

[damo666]

Oh no not another math guy

Apparently not.

[Fluminator]

Lol who had that read that when Jamie is amiable he's scum?

I did, but it's a bit outdated. In the game I was ghost he was both town and amiable. He still reacted in ways that made me strong townread him by the end though.

smh Flum, we did that together.

Lol, the "Jamiet is scum when funny" came later in mafia 62 which we did together!
Pre-mafia 61 it was "Jamiet is scum when amiable" and it was accurate until mafia 61.

[Chaqa]

I respect a hardclaim when it´s done under pressure or with other relevant information (like who you targetted or something like that). But a Miller hard claim on middle of D1 isn´t exactly a claim that should be taken that seriously.

Ok, but that only makes sense if we're talking about a real power that actually helps us. If I'm saying "HARD CLAIM, I'M THE DOCTOR", I don't think that should be respected, b/c like you said there's no reason for me to claim it. But miller is a shitty anti-role that's only power is hurting town scans. There had been quite a bit of chatter about how Miller should hard claim in the middle of D1, even without pressure. The only drawback is maybe the Mafia shoots the Miller if everyone trusts them. Oh no.

HARD CLAIM, I'M THE DOCTOR

I unironically believe you, and expect it to be like when I outright admitted I was mafia and everyone took it as a joke.

[ghug]

I'm also shocked how much I'm agreeing with bozo's take on things. I feel like I should be concerned about this.

Considering he is voting you how are you agreeing with him so much?

Yeah, Rd consistently giving me happy tingles. Must be scum.

[BesharamSabi]

But like what actually happens at night? Like do people still chat in here or is it just quiet in here like a break?

People tend to chat, but try not to give away secrets that can help the scum team while they're deciding whom to kill.

It is generally quieter, but still active. Don't expect 50 pages per 24 hours.

I have a date toinght, and will be able to participate no problem tomorrow still.

Oh...but if you're in Europe, then timing might be rough. Try to make the last 10 minutes of the Day if you can. Last 30 is good too.

I'm in Chicago so EOD is at 5 pm, date is at around 6ish. So I guess I can post my will and testament before I leave.

[Durga]

Durga wat

Was this a secret? It's not like I'm doing that this game.

No, I mean I just can't imagine your reaction to Chaqa partially justifying a jasnah vote with contempt of her playstyle being 'yeah that makes sense' rather than 'fuck off you hypocrite'

idk maybe it's just the Flum thing still bugging me

What makes him a hypocrite exactly? Although now that you mention it I think he did shit on me for doing that to ND.

What flum thing bothers you?

[snowy801]

Maybe I should stop trusting snowy.

He's incredibly difficult to read.

For the first time, ever. Normally he is very easy to read.

I feel like I ought to defend myself by saying my significant drop in interest when I rolled scum was paired with a growing alienation from this site that eventually saw me leave for years

[Durga]

Durga wat

Was this a secret? It's not like I'm doing that this game.

your votes are TFB, me, worcej, and ghug...

I love at least 50 percent of those people, and if you add bozo it gets even higher

[BesharamSabi]

Plus, unlike on some other Mafia sites, we can still talk in this game thread during the night. Some crappy sites ban town from talking at night, which is boring and sucky.

Ahh so no break, just more chit chat. Got it. How necessary is it to chit chat during the night phase? Like EOD till day 2 I will be in date and then vftf mode so won't have much time to chit chat and wonder how crucial or sus it is to chat or not chat during night mode.

It's up to you. Unlike the day phase, participation at night is not compulsory, there is no minimum participation requirement. Normally people discuss their reactions to the "flip" (the revealed alignment of the person voted out) but in this game, that isn't a thing, because of the unusual "no reveal" element of the setup.

Ahh thank you. I will post my last posts because I'm 100% sure mafia are going to night kill me at this point.

[Durga]

I'm also shocked how much I'm agreeing with bozo's take on things. I feel like I should be concerned about this.

Considering he is voting you how are you agreeing with him so much?

Yeah, Rd consistently giving me happy tingles. Must be scum.

Omg I had the exact same thought

[ghug]

What does “isn’t acting like the Miller” even mean?

For me it's more that he's been generally shitty.

Okay and what does that mean? How does it have anything to do with his Miller claim?

a) I think Bunny is one of the few people here who would consider faking that play as scum.
b) I scumread him before, and since the claim all he's done is push jasnah and be occasionally sanctimonious, which doesn't make him look any better.
c) Neither of those things matter, since there will be a CC if he's scum. The point here was to validate Vecna but remind him that we have to assume Bunny's town.