M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

For anyone new or newer on claims vs hardclaims

I could claim to be the Miller right now, and later retract it for a number of reasons. This kind of strategy can be effective. In M55, a bunch of people kept claiming Priest (Doctor-ish role) to protect ghug, and I (as mafia) kept shooting them.

However, a hard claim, cannot be retracted.

https://epicmafia.fandom.com/wiki/Claim

Much appreciated for this.

[snowy801]

For anyone new or newer on claims vs hardclaims

I could claim to be the Miller right now, and later retract it for a number of reasons. This kind of strategy can be effective. In M55, a bunch of people kept claiming Priest (Doctor-ish role) to protect ghug, and I (as mafia) kept shooting them.

However, a hard claim, cannot be retracted.

https://epicmafia.fandom.com/wiki/Claim

Much appreciated for this.

I wouldn't take too much cues on how to play this game from epicmafia.

[kgray]

OK I'm making a note of that. What else about his behavior so that game that has or has not been the norm?

I mean I think he usually throws around a bunch more reads/accusations on D1. Tunneling on one person is very unlike him.

Maybe that's enough of a reason to ##vote flum

Ahh I see. Making some more notes about this flum character.

Also interesting that this realization caused you to switch from tfb to flum. Was the tfb wagon not sturdy enough?

Meh, I wasn't super sold on TFB anyway. I didn't like that I thought he was ignoring my questions but when he did answer it the only thing I thought was scummy was how careful he's being. But I think that's very plausibly just a feature of his personality, so idk.

I really don't have any strong scumreads tbh.

[worcej]

That not one person stayed on the worcej wagon and that wagon had 4-5 people on it. For a wagon that large and every single person to jump off is odd to me. I would understand if one person stayed on which is more realistic that way. But everyone at around the same time.... Hmmm again I could be grasping at straws.

This seems like a fake observation from Sabi. It isn't that odd that wagons, especially mine, evaporated. Look at how many wagons have evaporated so far this phase:

1. Bona was a lead wagon, now no votes.
2. TFB was a lead wagon, now only one vote.
3. Chaqa was a lead wagon, now no votes.
4. Bunny was a leaf wagon, now only one vote.
5. I was a secondary wagon, now only one vote.

So why is the fact mine came and went an issue when others haven't been?

All those listed above didn't have a lead of 4-5 people on their wagon. The fact of the matter is as soon as you sent that message suddenly everyone dropped off your wagon which is sus.

Also the Bona wagon was a joke because it's Bona.

I never was a leading wagon. Your emphasis on this 'lead of 4-5 people' is not factual.

[worcej]

@Sabi

You don't know my meta, which is fine, but I habitually always attack votes on me. In this case, the wagon was indeed fucking awful.

[BesharamSabi]

I mean I think he usually throws around a bunch more reads/accusations on D1. Tunneling on one person is very unlike him.

Maybe that's enough of a reason to ##vote flum

Ahh I see. Making some more notes about this flum character.

Also interesting that this realization caused you to switch from tfb to flum. Was the tfb wagon not sturdy enough?

Meh, I wasn't super sold on TFB anyway. I didn't like that I thought he was ignoring my questions but when he did answer it the only thing I thought was scummy was how careful he's being. But I think that's very plausibly just a feature of his personality, so idk.

I really don't have any strong scumreads tbh.

As I have said many times tfb does come off as a used cars salesman. Not very authentic and genuine when plays these sorts of games. But thank you for this insight. Much appreciated

[damo666]

Damo why do you think I'm voting you?

Dunno.

Btw 20 odd pp behind so unaware of any developments since my unvote

Considering my sus of you was the only real game thing I did when you decided I was scum, surely you have some ideas?

Wtf should I speculate on why you are voting me. It's your job to explain.

[kgray]

@Bunny you are voting for jasnah because you feel like your role requires you too?

It's two-fold:

1) I don't like having teammates make life hard for the team. This game is hard enough.

2) I *do* think Jasnah is capable of this play as scum.

3) I think that resolving this sooner is better than later.

I just feel like you're saying she's town but she should die anyway because she did something you didn't like.

[Fluminator]

fwiw Flum is the trolliest player I know and I don't think the fake voting of tfb is in any way alignment indicative.

OK I'm making a note of that. What else about his behavior so that game that has or has not been the norm?

I mean I think he usually throws around a bunch more reads/accusations on D1. Tunneling on one person is very unlike him.

Maybe that's enough of a reason to ##vote flum

Wrong about my meta.
I also notice the last two times you were scum you got me miskilled really early because I had accurate and focused reads and you didn't want to deal with me.

I've never seen you push me this early when you're town because you know I'm usually reasonably accurate.
The only time you miskilled me as town was the endgame of that massive game Eden ran where you were paranoid because I seemed to know too much lol.

Also damn, I've been miskilled the last 3/4 games. I should really stop shitposting so much.

[kgray]

Ahh I see. Making some more notes about this flum character.

Also interesting that this realization caused you to switch from tfb to flum. Was the tfb wagon not sturdy enough?

Meh, I wasn't super sold on TFB anyway. I didn't like that I thought he was ignoring my questions but when he did answer it the only thing I thought was scummy was how careful he's being. But I think that's very plausibly just a feature of his personality, so idk.

I really don't have any strong scumreads tbh.

As I have said many times tfb does come off as a used cars salesman. Not very authentic and genuine when plays these sorts of games. But thank you for this insight. Much appreciated

I was thinking more like a robot programmed to say the 'correct' thing than a used car salesman haha

[BunnyGo]

What's odd about it?

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1. Bona was a lead wagon, now no votes.
2. TFB was a lead wagon, now only one vote.
3. Chaqa was a lead wagon, now no votes.
4. Bunny was a leaf wagon, now only one vote.
5. I was a secondary wagon, now only one vote.

So why is the fact mine came and went an issue when others haven't been?

I am a leaf on the wind.

[BesharamSabi]

@Sabi

You don't know my meta, which is fine, but I habitually always attack votes on me. In this case, the wagon was indeed fucking awful.

I just think it's just weird that everyone magically hopped off your wagon when you posted that comment. It's off to me. I'm sorry if you feel like this is an attack on you. I'm just trying to figure out people's thought process.

[kgray]

OK I'm making a note of that. What else about his behavior so that game that has or has not been the norm?

I mean I think he usually throws around a bunch more reads/accusations on D1. Tunneling on one person is very unlike him.

Maybe that's enough of a reason to ##vote flum

Wrong about my meta.
I also notice the last two times you were scum you got me miskilled really early because I had accurate and focused reads and you didn't want to deal with me.

I've never seen you push me this early when you're town because you know I'm usually reasonably accurate.
The only time you miskilled me as town was the endgame of that massive game Eden ran where you were paranoid because I seemed to know too much lol.

Also damn, I've been miskilled the last 3/4 games. I should really stop shitposting so much.

I don't think I'm wrong about your meta. Here's your D1 from that priest game, where you scumread and/or pushed bunny, bo, ghug, teacon, maniac, hamilton, damo, and ND: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=flum*&g=62

I'm not even pushing you very hard. If anything I'm pushing you to explain why you scumread damo. And I don't even want you dead because if you're town and as good as you think you are, then you'll end up defending me, but I have no better scumreads.

[damo666]

##vote Jasnah due to her silence

[Doom427]

@Bunny you are voting for jasnah because you feel like your role requires you too?

It's two-fold:

1) I don't like having teammates make life hard for the team. This game is hard enough.

2) I *do* think Jasnah is capable of this play as scum.

3) I think that resolving this sooner is better than later.

I just feel like you're saying she's town but she should die anyway because she did something you didn't like.

While point 1 is important, point 2 and 3 are more critical. 2 says there's a good chance Jasnah is a baddie, and 3 says we have to deal with a player in the game who has a good chance of being a baddie. While I get that people are saying they think this is a town play, the fact remains that day 2 or 3 when we could talk about night time plays, instead Mafia could push the conversation back to Miller. (and it remains a solid thing for a townie to push for, if they haven't come up with any other solid scum reads)

[Doom427]

Basically, if Jasnah is a townie, the Mafia knows, and want to keep them around because it's someone they can day kill later on. That's bad, because later kills are more useful than earlier (they're more likely to hit baddies, if I'm understanding right)

[kgray]

Maybe I should stop trusting snowy.

[Bonatogether]

The crumb from my past was him asking others how the PR should behave.

I mean he stated his first crumb was the first letter of his first 6 sentences (which checked out).

It was rather strange to me that he decided to seed more crumbs, and then decline to reveal what those are (why seed multiple crumbs? Just makes it more likely to be caught) but I imagine he'll reveal it when he sees fit, or not

Because it amuses me. And I'm guessing it's driving damo, Bona, and maybe worcej a little nuts that they can't find them even though I keep posting them.

bets on if he's trolling?

[kgray]

It's two-fold:

1) I don't like having teammates make life hard for the team. This game is hard enough.

2) I *do* think Jasnah is capable of this play as scum.

3) I think that resolving this sooner is better than later.

I just feel like you're saying she's town but she should die anyway because she did something you didn't like.

While point 1 is important, point 2 and 3 are more critical. 2 says there's a good chance Jasnah is a baddie, and 3 says we have to deal with a player in the game who has a good chance of being a baddie. While I get that people are saying they think this is a town play, the fact remains that day 2 or 3 when we could talk about night time plays, instead Mafia could push the conversation back to Miller. (and it remains a solid thing for a townie to push for, if they haven't come up with any other solid scum reads)

Yeah I understand these points, I just don't really agree that we should kill someone who is likely to be town (and I strongly disagree that someone being capable of doing something as a baddie means they have a good chance of being a baddie just because they do that thing).

If people disagree that jasnah is likely to be town, that's one thing. But killing a townread just to get it out of the way because Mafia could bring it up later isn't worth it, imo. If people have no better scumreads later, then we can kill her later.

[Chaqa]

Maybe I should stop trusting snowy.

He's incredibly difficult to read.