M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

Okay Eden, here's a list of the reasons I found that you gave this evening that caused you to scumread Durga and my reaction to them:

1) She's had too many "I know what's going on" posts: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 04#p257604
- You give no indication of what those posts are besides the one about jasnah, and besides, I fail to see why anybody thinks scum would immediately call out a PR as fake claiming for any reason besides to CC them.

2) She's more reactive than normal: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 64#p257664
- I don't think she's more reactive than normal, and even if she were I'd think that makes her more towny. She hides as scum.

You then "clarified" and stated the following: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 06#p257806 consisting of two arguments

3) Durga's reaction indicated to you that Durga knows jasnah is both town and fake claiming.
- What possible way could this be true besides the one damo would be talking about?

4) You suggest Durga believed both jasnah and Bunny to be town very quickly, leading you to conclude she must know they're both town because she's mafia.
- I fail to see where Durga immediately believed Bunny was town, as evidenced by *you* nudging her to move her vote.

When I commented on this, you retracted (or flip-flopped, as one might say) here: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 38#p257838 which leads me to

5) You suggest that she still scumread Bunny because she's mafia who is incapable of evolving her reads
- This isn't only blatantly a flip-flop, it's also literally a forced read because you say 'either way there's reason to think she's mafia' and thereby you're forcing your scumread of her on every scenario.

So if you're town, please stop whining about me having 'bad faith' questions when you're clearly doing exactly what I'm saying you're doing.

[BesharamSabi]

What do you mean you can read Sabi? What has Sabi posted that gives you any reads at all? Only thing that gave me even the slightest inkling of anything was when they jumped on the miller CC as proof bunny was scum even well after consensus was that jasnah was not the miller. Maybe they're scum, maybe they're a coasting town person, but they're certainly not easy to read because even the slight scum leans I have on them I doubt based on the fact they're just new to the forum game.

I just dunno what to say. I just think bunny was sus with how he reacted that is all.

I'm sorry for ever saying that in here.

You're doing fine Sabi. Let's walk through it a bit. Do you remember what Bunny was reacting to that made you suspicious of him? If so, what was it about how he reacted that caught your attention?

Well jasnah had no pressure or reason to fake claim Miller. His first reaction was to claim it was fake was just odd to me, like there was no steps he took in comments like time wise (going from doubt to full fledge it's fake claim) . Just general vibes.

[BesharamSabi]

But the thing about these players is that these are the players that you're more likely to be wrong about. Everyone can read sabi or doom but these players are the ones that might trip us up.

What do you mean you can read Sabi? What has Sabi posted that gives you any reads at all? Only thing that gave me even the slightest inkling of anything was when they jumped on the miller CC as proof bunny was scum even well after consensus was that jasnah was not the miller. Maybe they're scum, maybe they're a coasting town person, but they're certainly not easy to read because even the slight scum leans I have on them I doubt based on the fact they're just new to the forum game.

There's not a direct read or much that I can point to, but the posts that Sabi has been making is much more likely to come from a new town point of view and logical progression. Sabi has a personality that feels the same as in other situations, so that means they're not trying to hide anything or throw dust up.

I'm just being my usual self. This is tfb who never trust me in any game of diplomacy we played together so

[kgray]

I want to know why theflyingboat decided to encourage bona starting my wagon when he's got scumreads and I'm not one of them. And I don't want to hear anything about it being because I'm 'strong scum' because he said that in response to an actual case bona was making on me and not to worcej and damo's earlier nonsense.

Have I ever had a case you actually liked?

This is not about you?

[snowy801]

I just dunno what to say. I just think bunny was sus with how he reacted that is all.

I'm sorry for ever saying that in here.

You're doing fine Sabi. Let's walk through it a bit. Do you remember what Bunny was reacting to that made you suspicious of him? If so, what was it about how he reacted that caught your attention?

Well jasnah had no pressure or reason to fake claim Miller. His first reaction was to claim it was fake was just odd to me, like there was no steps he took in comments like time wise (going from doubt to full fledge it's fake claim) . Just general vibes.

Do you not feel that, as the miller (assuming he is), he would have skipped the traditional steps that went from doubt to certainty and skipped to certainty as you observed?

[kgray]

If yall want to vote for someone just vote for me. I dunno what I'm doing anymore and I clearly am doing this game worse and worse with every comment. I feel weird being here now.

Definitely don't feel weird being here, especially not based on being bad at this game. We're literally all bad at this game lmao

[BesharamSabi]

You're doing fine Sabi. Let's walk through it a bit. Do you remember what Bunny was reacting to that made you suspicious of him? If so, what was it about how he reacted that caught your attention?

Well jasnah had no pressure or reason to fake claim Miller. His first reaction was to claim it was fake was just odd to me, like there was no steps he took in comments like time wise (going from doubt to full fledge it's fake claim) . Just general vibes.

Do you not feel that, as the miller (assuming he is), he would have skipped the traditional steps that went from doubt to certainty and skipped to certainty as you observed?

Plausible but why do that which makes you obvious? It doesn't feel genuine to go straight to pitchforks, you know?

[TheFlyingBoat]

If yall want to vote for someone just vote for me. I dunno what I'm doing anymore and I clearly am doing this game worse and worse with every comment. I feel weird being here now.

Definitely don't feel weird being here, especially not based on being bad at this game. We're literally all bad at this game lmao

This. Being bad and incredibly confident in our abilities is the hallmark of mafia lmao

[kgray]

But the thing about these players is that these are the players that you're more likely to be wrong about. Everyone can read sabi or doom but these players are the ones that might trip us up.

Okay? I disagree that this is a good strategy. I don't know what that has to do with you thinking I'm scum.

You're obfuscating from the fact that killing the players we're likely to mess up in the absence of any consensus of any other obvious dks is direct value added in this situation.

I'm not obfuscating from it, I'm denying it's relevance. And I specifically don't see how you are coming after me with this, when you had me pegged as scum last game. Worcej I understand, because he was wrong about my alignment, but you thinking I'm the deepest scum threat is kind of nonsense.

[snowy801]

Well jasnah had no pressure or reason to fake claim Miller. His first reaction was to claim it was fake was just odd to me, like there was no steps he took in comments like time wise (going from doubt to full fledge it's fake claim) . Just general vibes.

Do you not feel that, as the miller (assuming he is), he would have skipped the traditional steps that went from doubt to certainty and skipped to certainty as you observed?

Plausible but why do that which makes you obvious? It doesn't feel genuine to go straight to pitchforks, you know?

It is not completely clear to me what your perspective is. Are you saying that a true miller ought to have taken steps to ascertain whether their direct counterclaim is being serious about their claim, and that Bunny failed to do so is suspicious? In the sense that the true miller ought to have been more cautious and reluctant to immediately reveal their role?

[ghug]

The only reason I’m not pushing to 50/50 jasnah and Bunny is the Oracle.

Failing those two… maybe no kill? Xd

##Vote worcej

What

[Bonatogether]

If yall want to vote for someone just vote for me. I dunno what I'm doing anymore and I clearly am doing this game worse and worse with every comment. I feel weird being here now.

Definitely don't feel weird being here, especially not based on being bad at this game. We're literally all bad at this game lmao

This. Being bad and incredibly confident in our abilities is the hallmark of mafia lmao

literally ghug

[BesharamSabi]

Do you not feel that, as the miller (assuming he is), he would have skipped the traditional steps that went from doubt to certainty and skipped to certainty as you observed?

Plausible but why do that which makes you obvious? It doesn't feel genuine to go straight to pitchforks, you know?

It is not completely clear to me what your perspective is. Are you saying that a true miller ought to have taken steps to ascertain whether their direct counterclaim is being serious about their claim, and that Bunny failed to do so is suspicious? In the sense that the true miller ought to have been more cautious and reluctant to immediately reveal their role?

Yes (I have been drinking but this makes sense to me).

[kgray]

##vote theflyingboat

[Chaqa]

The only reason I’m not pushing to 50/50 jasnah and Bunny is the Oracle.

Failing those two… maybe no kill? Xd

##Vote worcej

What

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[BesharamSabi]

If yall want to vote for someone just vote for me. I dunno what I'm doing anymore and I clearly am doing this game worse and worse with every comment. I feel weird being here now.

Definitely don't feel weird being here, especially not based on being bad at this game. We're literally all bad at this game lmao

I do feel weird lol I have just acted like my usual self and I'm getting sussed out.

[BesharamSabi]

##VOTE BesharamSabi

[kgray]

If yall want to vote for someone just vote for me. I dunno what I'm doing anymore and I clearly am doing this game worse and worse with every comment. I feel weird being here now.

Definitely don't feel weird being here, especially not based on being bad at this game. We're literally all bad at this game lmao

I do feel weird lol I have just acted like my usual self and I'm getting sussed out.

Only by theflyingboat who is probably scum anyway since he can't answer a simple question.

[BunnyGo]

Okay Eden, here's a list of the reasons I found that you gave this evening that caused you to scumread Durga and my reaction to them:

1) She's had too many "I know what's going on" posts: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 04#p257604
- You give no indication of what those posts are besides the one about jasnah, and besides, I fail to see why anybody thinks scum would immediately call out a PR as fake claiming for any reason besides to CC them.

2) She's more reactive than normal: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 64#p257664
- I don't think she's more reactive than normal, and even if she were I'd think that makes her more towny. She hides as scum.

You then "clarified" and stated the following: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 06#p257806 consisting of two arguments

3) Durga's reaction indicated to you that Durga knows jasnah is both town and fake claiming.
- What possible way could this be true besides the one damo would be talking about?

4) You suggest Durga believed both jasnah and Bunny to be town very quickly, leading you to conclude she must know they're both town because she's mafia.
- I fail to see where Durga immediately believed Bunny was town, as evidenced by *you* nudging her to move her vote.

When I commented on this, you retracted (or flip-flopped, as one might say) here: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 38#p257838 which leads me to

5) You suggest that she still scumread Bunny because she's mafia who is incapable of evolving her reads
- This isn't only blatantly a flip-flop, it's also literally a forced read because you say 'either way there's reason to think she's mafia' and thereby you're forcing your scumread of her on every scenario.

So if you're town, please stop whining about me having 'bad faith' questions when you're clearly doing exactly what I'm saying you're doing.

This is a lot of good digging. What should I conclude you think:

A) Durga is town and needs you defending her?
B) eden is scummy for his bad arguments?
C) you don’t really have reads yet on them, but you’re mad at Eden?
Something else?

[snowy801]

The only reason I’m not pushing to 50/50 jasnah and Bunny is the Oracle.

Failing those two… maybe no kill? Xd

##Vote worcej

What

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I also think this is really weird