M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

Eden v Durga seems TvT to me.

How do people feel about Vecna's case on Jamiet? Seems a little flimsy, yeah?

Yeah I'm trying to figure out whether I feel like either Eden or ghugs push on me is even a little genuine

I'm not so sure on ghug but that just seems to be how it is

[Durga]

Way to misrepresent me again. I'm not impressed. I very much explained my thoughts and to pretend I didn't is really shady.

There's the attacking your accuser thing again.

Answer me these:
a) What was your immediate read of Bunny after he claimed?
aa) If scum, what led you to the conclusion that two people claimed Miller and neither was the Miller.
b) Have your reads of Bunny and/or jasnah changed since your initial reactions?

It's specifically aa) that I think you haven't explained. You did explain why you thought jasnah was fakeclaiming.

a) I've answered this to Eden just above in detail - at first I was like what and then I was like maybe he's doing this bc he's under heat and then I was like meh that would be premature and dumb
AA) I'm not that stupid I would have lurked and formulated a very mid tier stance to take. If you're asking what I would do as scum. I'm a little confused by this question
B) they're both likely town

[kgray]

kgray, why are you voting for BG, and who are your primary [other, if BG is still one] suspects and why?

Just haven't changed it yet. I think he's probably the Miller, this reminds me of what he did that game when I was the Jailor and he was also a PR and did weird crumbing stuff... And I can't imagine he'd be feeling enough pressure to CC jasnah if he's scum.

I don't know yet who's going to replace him. Maybe bozo tbh. I don't feel good about you or ghug or Tom or Flum or even Chaqa anymore.

I ask because all your questions have a very accusatory edge to them, but don't seem to be driving at a specific conclusion. I figured you would have more certain suspects than this, and I'm a bit lost as to what you're trying to accomplish right now.

Okay. Well I don't. And I'm mostly trying to accomplish making a decision as to whether or not all your flip-flopping and forcing a scumread on Durga makes sense from town. And, also whether or not ghug is maliciously feeding into that read.

[President Eden]

Just haven't changed it yet. I think he's probably the Miller, this reminds me of what he did that game when I was the Jailor and he was also a PR and did weird crumbing stuff... And I can't imagine he'd be feeling enough pressure to CC jasnah if he's scum.

I don't know yet who's going to replace him. Maybe bozo tbh. I don't feel good about you or ghug or Tom or Flum or even Chaqa anymore.

I ask because all your questions have a very accusatory edge to them, but don't seem to be driving at a specific conclusion. I figured you would have more certain suspects than this, and I'm a bit lost as to what you're trying to accomplish right now.

Okay. Well I don't. And I'm mostly trying to accomplish making a decision as to whether or not all your flip-flopping and forcing a scumread on Durga makes sense from town. And, also whether or not ghug is maliciously feeding into that read.

I've neither flip-flopped nor forced a read on anybody this game.

##VOTE kgray

[kgray]

I want to know why theflyingboat decided to encourage bona starting my wagon when he's got scumreads and I'm not one of them. And I don't want to hear anything about it being because I'm 'strong scum' because he said that in response to an actual case bona was making on me and not to worcej and damo's earlier nonsense.

[kgray]

I ask because all your questions have a very accusatory edge to them, but don't seem to be driving at a specific conclusion. I figured you would have more certain suspects than this, and I'm a bit lost as to what you're trying to accomplish right now.

Okay. Well I don't. And I'm mostly trying to accomplish making a decision as to whether or not all your flip-flopping and forcing a scumread on Durga makes sense from town. And, also whether or not ghug is maliciously feeding into that read.

I've neither flip-flopped nor forced a read on anybody this game.

##VOTE kgray

I think the way you kept changing your story when I asked you about Durga was flip-floppy and forced. Why'd you stop scumreading her?

[TheFlyingBoat]

Eden v Durga seems TvT to me.

How do people feel about Vecna's case on Jamiet? Seems a little flimsy, yeah?

Glad I am not alone in this read

[President Eden]

Okay. Well I don't. And I'm mostly trying to accomplish making a decision as to whether or not all your flip-flopping and forcing a scumread on Durga makes sense from town. And, also whether or not ghug is maliciously feeding into that read.

I've neither flip-flopped nor forced a read on anybody this game.

##VOTE kgray

I think the way you kept changing your story when I asked you about Durga was flip-floppy and forced. Why'd you stop scumreading her?

I didn't change my story. You kept oversimplifying it and forcing me to continue explaining it in different ways that would hopefully communicate the point in a manner impervious to bad faith questions. Judging from your most recent comment I still have not succeeded.

[ghug]

There's the attacking your accuser thing again.

Answer me these:
a) What was your immediate read of Bunny after he claimed?
aa) If scum, what led you to the conclusion that two people claimed Miller and neither was the Miller.
b) Have your reads of Bunny and/or jasnah changed since your initial reactions?

It's specifically aa) that I think you haven't explained. You did explain why you thought jasnah was fakeclaiming.

a) I've answered this to Eden just above in detail - at first I was like what and then I was like maybe he's doing this bc he's under heat and then I was like meh that would be premature and dumb
AA) I'm not that stupid I would have lurked and formulated a very mid tier stance to take. If you're asking what I would do as scum. I'm a little confused by this question
B) they're both likely town

No, if the answer to the first question is that you thought he was scum, what led you to the conclusion that two people claimed Miller and neither was the Miller?

[kgray]

I've neither flip-flopped nor forced a read on anybody this game.

##VOTE kgray

I think the way you kept changing your story when I asked you about Durga was flip-floppy and forced. Why'd you stop scumreading her?

I didn't change my story. You kept oversimplifying it and forcing me to continue explaining it in different ways that would hopefully communicate the point in a manner impervious to bad faith questions. Judging from your most recent comment I still have not succeeded.

I will reread your comments, but I do not believe I have oversimplified them. It seems to me like you've made a lot of arguments that all point to Durga being scum in basically any scenario.

So my last question was certainly not in bad faith; I don't understand what's making you come around on her.

[kgray]

Eden v Durga seems TvT to me.

How do people feel about Vecna's case on Jamiet? Seems a little flimsy, yeah?

Glad I am not alone in this read

Which one?

[Bonatogether]

My reasons for not wanting to kill the people on worcej's list? I mostly just didn't see anything I thought was scummy from those people besides Bunny, and partly ghug.

But isn't the point of the list that the people on it can hide well as scum?

That is what he said, yes. My comment was to point out that regardless of worcej's assessment of those people's scum skills, I wasn't feeling it as a list of potential kills.

But the thing about these players is that these are the players that you're more likely to be wrong about. Everyone can read sabi or doom but these players are the ones that might trip us up.

[Durga]

Everyone can read Sabi or doom? I certainly can't. Sabi at least I expected more from than what they've delivered.

[BesharamSabi]

Everyone can read Sabi or doom? I certainly can't. Sabi at least I expected more from than what they've delivered.

Oh, I'm sorry? I suck at the game and can't wait to die in N1 so don't worry I will be gone soon enough. :)

[Doom427]

##Vote Jasnah

Come on y'all, this is like, the most obvious thing in the world. I was joking about big Galaxy brain plays, but that? It's a super obvious scum one.

And anyone entertaining the idea that somehow both people who "hard claimed" miller are actually on the towns side? Theyre also hard core on my scum radar. Of course, there's so many that quite a few have to be town, but eh.

If Jasnah actually claimed because she wanted to not be day Killed, Mafia would just night kill. If Mafia didn't night kill, we would probably be suspicious and day kill. It's a play that gives us less information, and makes it easier for her to die. it gives negative value.

[kgray]

But isn't the point of the list that the people on it can hide well as scum?

That is what he said, yes. My comment was to point out that regardless of worcej's assessment of those people's scum skills, I wasn't feeling it as a list of potential kills.

But the thing about these players is that these are the players that you're more likely to be wrong about. Everyone can read sabi or doom but these players are the ones that might trip us up.

Okay? I disagree that this is a good strategy. I don't know what that has to do with you thinking I'm scum.

[BesharamSabi]

But isn't the point of the list that the people on it can hide well as scum?

That is what he said, yes. My comment was to point out that regardless of worcej's assessment of those people's scum skills, I wasn't feeling it as a list of potential kills.

But the thing about these players is that these are the players that you're more likely to be wrong about. Everyone can read sabi or doom but these players are the ones that might trip us up.

What do you mean

[TheFlyingBoat]

But isn't the point of the list that the people on it can hide well as scum?

That is what he said, yes. My comment was to point out that regardless of worcej's assessment of those people's scum skills, I wasn't feeling it as a list of potential kills.

But the thing about these players is that these are the players that you're more likely to be wrong about. Everyone can read sabi or doom but these players are the ones that might trip us up.

What do you mean you can read Sabi? What has Sabi posted that gives you any reads at all? Only thing that gave me even the slightest inkling of anything was when they jumped on the miller CC as proof bunny was scum even well after consensus was that jasnah was not the miller. Maybe they're scum, maybe they're a coasting town person, but they're certainly not easy to read because even the slight scum leans I have on them I doubt based on the fact they're just new to the forum game.

[snowy801]

Everyone can read Sabi or doom?

I thought this said "Can everyone read Sabi or doom" until I realized it was rhetoric but since I was halfway through my answer anyway

I was going to say Doom struck me as pretty towny in his few posts. They held curiosity and conviction shared with a common unwillingness to be burned from being wrong that seemed natural to me

Sabi I think have been oddly cautious and unwilling to make waves, and I'm keeping an eye out. Also I feel like she's been making situation inappropriate comments but I'd have to actually revisit whether that impression is based

[Doom427]

Everyone can read Sabi or doom? I certainly can't. Sabi at least I expected more from than what they've delivered.

I'm also a little sad everyone can read me
(And a little suspicious, only Scum should REALLY know for sure I'm town)

If I was playing scum, I don't think my game would be that different? Maybe people saw how I play diplomacy and think I'm just bad at these games and can't lie