M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

They are a strong player and a smart person, but can you explain the logic of the false claim by jasnah and what the value is? Just to force a recalcitrant player to claim miller as they should or is there something else I am missing?

I have seen dumber things happen
I just don't see why mafia either fake claims or fake counter claims to this, though I admit my first statement applies to this one too

Do you guys hear that? That's the sound of my head shaking

...I guess a scum BunnyGo might feel compelled to fake counterclaim, if for some godsforsaken reason we have already solved the game and he's feeling desperate enough to shut down D1 discussion, but I don't see such consensus existing on the board

The one incentive that comes to mind for either side to fakeclaim is that BunnyGo was already under the gun, and might have seen a chance to force a 50/50 on himself and jasnah. Pretty good play to take our clear down with him if so. That's why I think we should decide which one we believe and stick with it instead of going 50/50.

[ghug]

Can someone remember what specific game jasnah carried town in? I don’t know who this is?

the only other game she played in

Didn't she play in two games? I remember one where my mafia team killed her over my objections and then all got themselves caught, but town still lost that game.

[Bonatogether]

Will not kill: Sabi, bozo, Chaqa, damo, Doom, snowy, Boat, Vecna, worcej

Want to no-kill but need more: Bona, Flum

I feel like I'm perpetually going to be in the second regardless lol

[ghug]

Hello again, dinner's simmering so I have a few minutes and things to say in order from most important to least:

1) Ghug convinced me in the pregame that Miller should hold their claim at least until there is a CC

2) Town players have a duty to trust the other town and make life easy for them

3) Just because a teammate is playing in a way you disagree with, doesn't mean you should respond by playing in a way you disagree with

4) People have their own work, and I have mine. I'm doing mine now.

5) I have no idea why Jasnah would hardclaim Miller
a) She's scum; why claim? There was no reason
b) She's town; why claim? To get me to claim? This is anti-town. But see rules 3 and 4 for my response.

6) It is towny for the Miller to clear things up for teammates when it gets weird enough. I hard claim Miller. Go look for all my MANY crumbs.

7) ##Vote Jasnah ##end. While I don't know which of option 5a or 5b is true, I don't think we can let her live either way in a no-reveal game.

8) @Durga, I don't know why you push me hard every day 1, while also ignoring me or not addressing me. But you do (and you kgray, but you I understand and interact with). Your record isn't great, since I haven't been scum much lately. You crow loudly the one time you're correct; but now you eat crow again for getting me when I'm non-vanilla town. You do it when I try hard; you do it when I sit back; you do it when I'm nasty; you do it when I'm polite. That's your work to decide if you're going to change, and mine how I'll respond in the future. So far I think I'm ok with how I did it this game.

Back to dinner and kiddos and back in a couple hours.

Loll

[BunnyGo]

I neither understand why jasnah would preemptively fakeclaim Miller nor understand why BunnyGo would fake counterclaim Miller.

I have a theory for jasnah. I’ve had the pleasure of discussing gunboat with her turn by turn. She’s very clever. She also thinks other people are very dumb. This is her right as a young and very clever person. But it leads young clever people to think they have to *do something*.

[BunnyGo]

Can someone remember what specific game jasnah carried town in? I don’t know who this is?

A cursory browse tells me it's M65, if it's the only other game they played
Bunny I'm not really seeing these crumbs you said exists. Care to pull them out of the hat?
Also why crumb miller?

Go read the first letters of my sentences.

There are other crumbs, but I’ll let you find those with this hint: steganography is fun!

As to why: Ghug convinced me the only value to this role is to get a CC. So I better have a crumb for the CC if I’m going to not claim this role ASAP.

[Durga]

She's probably just having fun and wanted the miller discussion to stop. Idk why anyone actually claimed against her very fake sounding claim anyway.

[BunnyGo]

I thought miller had already claimed, but rereading it turns out it was REALLY ambiguous? Though, also in a way where I have no fucking clue what the point of the conversation was if it wasn't a Miller claim (which leads me to thinking that's pretty obviously a scum play, because if you were town you would be clear, and if you were Mafia you would want the plausible deniability). But, ambiguity makes people feel like they're making big brain super plays, which seems to be what people like in this game? so

Don't know what any of that means-just curious if anyone else remembers that, and putting it out there considering the miller discussion we were having

please don't talk about possible miller claims

if the miller wants to out, the miller will out

Hi

[Tom Bombadil]

They are a strong player and a smart person, but can you explain the logic of the false claim by jasnah and what the value is? Just to force a recalcitrant player to claim miller as they should or is there something else I am missing?

I have seen dumber things happen
I just don't see why mafia either fake claims or fake counter claims to this, though I admit my first statement applies to this one too

Do you guys hear that? That's the sound of my head shaking

...I guess a scum BunnyGo might feel compelled to fake counterclaim, if for some godsforsaken reason we have already solved the game and he's feeling desperate enough to shut down D1 discussion, but I don't see such consensus existing on the board

The one incentive that comes to mind for either side to fakeclaim is that BunnyGo was already under the gun, and might have seen a chance to force a 50/50 on himself and jasnah. Pretty good play to take our clear down with him if so. That's why I think we should decide which one we believe and stick with it instead of going 50/50.

Bunny is nowhere near bad enough to panic under hardly any pressure with over 24hrs to go in D1. I see no reason to not believe Bunny. The safe thing would be to just kill both, but I don’t even know if that will be needed.

[BunnyGo]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

They are a strong player and a smart person, but can you explain the logic of the false claim by jasnah and what the value is? Just to force a recalcitrant player to claim miller as they should or is there something else I am missing?

That’s all I can come up with.

[President Eden]

I will say without a doubt that end voting on either of them without us even hearing from jasnah and having them duke it out is silly. WORCEJ.

[BunnyGo]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

I do not think jasnah fake claims Miller with no pressure on her as scum

I agree with that as a “first level”. She’s also good enough to anticipate that response.

[President Eden]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

They are a strong player and a smart person, but can you explain the logic of the false claim by jasnah and what the value is? Just to force a recalcitrant player to claim miller as they should or is there something else I am missing?

That's actually a pretty complete explanation in and of itself to me. But I would rather have heard all this from jasnah then have everyone come up with plausible cover for her preemptively. ._.

[Tom Bombadil]

She's probably just having fun and wanted the miller discussion to stop. Idk why anyone actually claimed against her very fake sounding claim anyway.

I didn’t really view it as a fake claim. You did? I was kinda just assuming jasnah was Miller

[BunnyGo]

She's probably just having fun and wanted the miller discussion to stop. Idk why anyone actually claimed against her very fake sounding claim anyway.

Read statements 1-4

[worcej]

Man... I was looking forward to jasnah's presence this game...

##Vote jasnah
##end

This is a curiosity

Why immediately believe BunnyGo? Why are you certain enough to end on it, symbolic as it may be?

Bunny has been a townlean of mine and if I have to kill one of the two I'm picking the null. Go look back on his posting now with that reveal and you see him reference the miller and how it should play a lot. He did this back when he was the mailman role (I forget the exact role, but could send a PM via GM to someone and they could send a response back) and I was the item maker and we used that connect for me to give the gun to him.

His style now matches that same situation exactly so I believe he is the Miller.

Ultimately, I think they both die.

[Bonatogether]

He's extremely easy to read in Among Us. I haven't played enough mafia with him to see if it translates, since a lot of what I catch him on is voice cadence and spur of the moment logical breaks.

You know that if you accuse me every game you are right every time I'm impostor right

Ah, bona's "punt Chaka" method

punt chaka works better than random chance

[snowy801]

She's probably just having fun and wanted the miller discussion to stop. Idk why anyone actually claimed against her very fake sounding claim anyway.

I didn’t really view it as a fake claim. You did? I was kinda just assuming jasnah was Miller

Also didn't see it that way. "hard claim miller" halfway into a day with like 3 people saying d1 is when they reveal isn't words lightly bandied about

[Bonatogether]

You know that if you accuse me every game you are right every time I'm impostor right

Ah, bona's "punt Chaka" method

Bona is extremely good at eliminating you when you're impostor.

Tragically, he's also extremely good at eliminating you when you're crew.

<3

[ghug]

She's probably just having fun and wanted the miller discussion to stop. Idk why anyone actually claimed against her very fake sounding claim anyway.

This is a weird take