M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

I neither understand why jasnah would preemptively fakeclaim Miller nor understand why BunnyGo would fake counterclaim Miller.

[snowy801]

you're not

why are people voting bunny.

because they think there's a good chance he's scum OR they're scum and Bunny isn't OR they're bussing

I think there's a good chance he's scum but I don't know for sure.

Does anyone bus here?

I suppose one might expect it to be more effective because they wouldn't expect to be rewarded for it, but I've been thinking busses just aren't very likely to happen.

[snowy801]

Ooh la la c'est cher

[President Eden]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

[worcej]

Man... I was looking forward to jasnah's presence this game...

##Vote jasnah
##end

[snowy801]

Can someone remember what specific game jasnah carried town in? I don’t know who this is?

A cursory browse tells me it's M65, if it's the only other game they played
Bunny I'm not really seeing these crumbs you said exists. Care to pull them out of the hat?
Also why crumb miller?

[BesharamSabi]

I'm more shocked that everyone is trying to approach this game with the same logic they utilize in our standard games.

Locking this in now: this game is going to boil down to a popularity contest and town is going to lose.

Who's the popular ones here?

me

Bona when have you ever been popular?

[snowy801]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

[TheFlyingBoat]

Hello again, dinner's simmering so I have a few minutes and things to say in order from most important to least:

1) Ghug convinced me in the pregame that Miller should hold their claim at least until there is a CC

2) Town players have a duty to trust the other town and make life easy for them

3) Just because a teammate is playing in a way you disagree with, doesn't mean you should respond by playing in a way you disagree with

4) People have their own work, and I have mine. I'm doing mine now.

5) I have no idea why Jasnah would hardclaim Miller
a) She's scum; why claim? There was no reason
b) She's town; why claim? To get me to claim? This is anti-town. But see rules 3 and 4 for my response.

6) It is towny for the Miller to clear things up for teammates when it gets weird enough. I hard claim Miller. Go look for all my MANY crumbs.

7) ##Vote Jasnah ##end. While I don't know which of option 5a or 5b is true, I don't think we can let her live either way in a no-reveal game.

8) @Durga, I don't know why you push me hard every day 1, while also ignoring me or not addressing me. But you do (and you kgray, but you I understand and interact with). Your record isn't great, since I haven't been scum much lately. You crow loudly the one time you're correct; but now you eat crow again for getting me when I'm non-vanilla town. You do it when I try hard; you do it when I sit back; you do it when I'm nasty; you do it when I'm polite. That's your work to decide if you're going to change, and mine how I'll respond in the future. So far I think I'm ok with how I did it this game.

Back to dinner and kiddos and back in a couple hours.

So imo D1 we kill one of jasnah or Bunny and D2 we kill the other unless we have an oracle on the other given that a cop scan can't guarantee the scum false claim isn't a godfather.

[worcej]

D1 is jasnah/Bunny
D2 is Bunny/jasnah
D3 we resume the game.

Looks like we got our 'boring PR game' after all lawlz

Probably should've just no-killed like I proposed.

[Bonatogether]

I thought miller had already claimed, but rereading it turns out it was REALLY ambiguous? Though, also in a way where I have no fucking clue what the point of the conversation was if it wasn't a Miller claim (which leads me to thinking that's pretty obviously a scum play, because if you were town you would be clear, and if you were Mafia you would want the plausible deniability). But, ambiguity makes people feel like they're making big brain super plays, which seems to be what people like in this game? so

Don't know what any of that means-just curious if anyone else remembers that, and putting it out there considering the miller discussion we were having

please don't talk about possible miller claims

if the miller wants to out, the miller will out

[TheFlyingBoat]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

They are a strong player and a smart person, but can you explain the logic of the false claim by jasnah and what the value is? Just to force a recalcitrant player to claim miller as they should or is there something else I am missing?

[Bonatogether]

I thought miller had already claimed, but rereading it turns out it was REALLY ambiguous? Though, also in a way where I have no fucking clue what the point of the conversation was if it wasn't a Miller claim (which leads me to thinking that's pretty obviously a scum play, because if you were town you would be clear, and if you were Mafia you would want the plausible deniability). But, ambiguity makes people feel like they're making big brain super plays, which seems to be what people like in this game? so

Don't know what any of that means-just curious if anyone else remembers that, and putting it out there considering the miller discussion we were having

Wait when did you think that the miller claimed?

[snowy801]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

They are a strong player and a smart person, but can you explain the logic of the false claim by jasnah and what the value is? Just to force a recalcitrant player to claim miller as they should or is there something else I am missing?

I have seen dumber things happen
I just don't see why mafia either fake claims or fake counter claims to this, though I admit my first statement applies to this one too

Do you guys hear that? That's the sound of my head shaking

...I guess a scum BunnyGo might feel compelled to fake counterclaim, if for some godsforsaken reason we have already solved the game and he's feeling desperate enough to shut down D1 discussion, but I don't see such consensus existing on the board

[Durga]

Hello again, dinner's simmering so I have a few minutes and things to say in order from most important to least:

1) Ghug convinced me in the pregame that Miller should hold their claim at least until there is a CC

2) Town players have a duty to trust the other town and make life easy for them

3) Just because a teammate is playing in a way you disagree with, doesn't mean you should respond by playing in a way you disagree with

4) People have their own work, and I have mine. I'm doing mine now.

5) I have no idea why Jasnah would hardclaim Miller
a) She's scum; why claim? There was no reason
b) She's town; why claim? To get me to claim? This is anti-town. But see rules 3 and 4 for my response.

6) It is towny for the Miller to clear things up for teammates when it gets weird enough. I hard claim Miller. Go look for all my MANY crumbs.

7) ##Vote Jasnah ##end. While I don't know which of option 5a or 5b is true, I don't think we can let her live either way in a no-reveal game.

8) @Durga, I don't know why you push me hard every day 1, while also ignoring me or not addressing me. But you do (and you kgray, but you I understand and interact with). Your record isn't great, since I haven't been scum much lately. You crow loudly the one time you're correct; but now you eat crow again for getting me when I'm non-vanilla town. You do it when I try hard; you do it when I sit back; you do it when I'm nasty; you do it when I'm polite. That's your work to decide if you're going to change, and mine how I'll respond in the future. So far I think I'm ok with how I did it this game.

Back to dinner and kiddos and back in a couple hours.

I've played with you like twice Bunny, the last game I played you were scum. The game before that I recall defending you. I don't remember you from anything else. Maybe you were third party in one game. I haven't played in months so idk about my record.

This is also barely pushing you let alone hard.... If this is hard, yikes.

[snowy801]

Man... I was looking forward to jasnah's presence this game...

##Vote jasnah
##end

This is a curiosity

Why immediately believe BunnyGo? Why are you certain enough to end on it, symbolic as it may be?

[President Eden]

D1 is jasnah/Bunny
D2 is Bunny/jasnah
D3 we resume the game.

Looks like we got our 'boring PR game' after all lawlz

Probably should've just no-killed like I proposed.

I think we should decide which one we believe, vote out the other one, and stick to our guns. No need to 50/50.

[ghug]

Heading out for a bit. Got some house stuff to take care of.

Likely story.

[Durga]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

I do not think jasnah fake claims Miller with no pressure on her as scum

[snowy801]

I find myself inclined to believe jasnah based on the logic of the situation and BunnyGo based on his claim post. Which makes me think I am a sucker for thoughtful or thoughtful-seeming posts.

Is it weird that my first instinct was double town, with Jasnah faking?
I suppose it depends on how much respect I allocate to their base skill

I do not think jasnah fake claims Miller with no pressure on her as scum

I agree?