M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

What value are you gaining by dragging this up now? I was pretty sour that I was told to stop pushing a case because I was mean when I was actually right the entire time.

Also - stop answering ghug’s questions for him.

You dragged it up! You weren't told to stop scumreading me, you were told to stop being a dick. I don't understand why some people on this site think those are the same thing.

Also - stop telling me what to do.

[snowy801]

Doesn't feel safe place for me to feel people out with questions or what not. Just want to get a feel. I'm new. I dunno most of you. Feels weird now

Safety is an illusion
Attack is the best form of defense. Kill or be killed

I'm not accusing you of anything. I just found it notable that you made more than one comment stating a lack of seriousness, and wanted to know where you perceived it.

[worcej]

Are you referring to the game where you sat and watched me lead your miskill and then used your dying breath to declare that pissing me off had allowed you to determine I was town? And then claimed that we only won because we played poorly?

That game?

Yeah, but you’re excluding the part where I was onto you and several people decided to tell me to back off from my case because I was being ‘mean’ by pointing out it was incredibly scummy how you couldn’t take a compliment about being good town and you were deflecting constantly.

And then everyone proceeded to town you until we lost.

This is the most revisionist take I've ever read

Is it now?

Thank you for your wonderfully constructive opinion on this subject. Now can we focus on the actual game instead of discussing boring history?

[Durga]

Sabi is just here to shit post

[Bonatogether]

the game can be a shitpost meme whenever you want it to be

Don't let the flame die out!

Doesn't feel safe place for me to feel people out with questions or what not. Just want to get a feel. I'm new. I dunno most of you. Feels weird now

asking 'who do you think is scummy and why' or some variation on that always is good. asking about specific people too is good too, but a lot of the knowledge of who to ask about whatever read is just meta knowledge that you won't have. you can still make contributions to the game. there really is no such thing as a dumb question

[worcej]

What value are you gaining by dragging this up now? I was pretty sour that I was told to stop pushing a case because I was mean when I was actually right the entire time.

Also - stop answering ghug’s questions for him.

You dragged it up! You weren't told to stop scumreading me, you were told to stop being a dick. I don't understand why some people on this site think those are the same thing.

Also - stop telling me what to do.

Technically ghug did. In my conversation with him. That you interjected into.

[BesharamSabi]

Safety is an illusion
Attack is the best form of defense. Kill or be killed

I'm not accusing you of anything. I just found it notable that you made more than one comment stating a lack of seriousness, and wanted to know where you perceived it.

Oh I dunno. At the time we were like talking about cats vs dogs

[President Eden]

I can't understand why some people bother making the same ridiculous suggestion d1 of every game. Guess what, mafia don't get killed unless we do it. They're certainly not dying at night, and we're not waiting 5 game phases for some cop who may or may not be dead to tell us what to do for "information"

You're obviously free to disagree with the end conclusion, but it's simply a fact that the value of d1 killing goes down when you don't get a flip. This setup is a lot closer to something like Among Us (where voting someone out is situational and contextual) than normal mafia (where you shoot every time barring some specific mechanical interaction). If I felt like the game wouldn't bog down into apathy from lack of kills then I would be firmly in the no-kill camp for day 1 and possibly later on.

For all that I heard this a dozen times before it's still somewhat shocking to hear this. You guys have been playing mafia for how many years, and you don't trust yourselves to find 4 scum in what... at least 7 chances + however more we get correct?

This is within our capacity. Trust in your reads, and PRs will supplement our knowledge not be its entire.

You and Durga have both represented the position as "we will not ever vote to kill until PRs come out with info" when the position is plainly "the risk on day 1 is not worth the reward in a no-flip environment." It would be appreciated if you both would cease misrepresenting the argument. Thanks.

[Bonatogether]

I can't understand why some people bother making the same ridiculous suggestion d1 of every game. Guess what, mafia don't get killed unless we do it. They're certainly not dying at night, and we're not waiting 5 game phases for some cop who may or may not be dead to tell us what to do for "information"

You're obviously free to disagree with the end conclusion, but it's simply a fact that the value of d1 killing goes down when you don't get a flip. This setup is a lot closer to something like Among Us (where voting someone out is situational and contextual) than normal mafia (where you shoot every time barring some specific mechanical interaction). If I felt like the game wouldn't bog down into apathy from lack of kills then I would be firmly in the no-kill camp for day 1 and possibly later on.

For all that I heard this a dozen times before it's still somewhat shocking to hear this. You guys have been playing mafia for how many years, and you don't trust yourselves to find 4 scum in what... at least 7 chances + however more we get correct?

This is within our capacity. Trust in your reads, and PRs will supplement our knowledge not be its entire.

They couldn't do in the past few games with flips, so obviously there is a low expectation here.

[ghug]

Do we? Please tell me explicitly why that happened.

Pretty sure this is what happened:

Purposely 'stayed away' this EOD to watch how the votes fell on me. Interesting experiment to say the least.

I am pretty sure kgray isn't mafia since I'd be an easier miskill later. I believe she's town or 3P. She's just emotionally tunneling because she's upset at me and needs me gone to stop clouding her, which is one of her weaknesses.

ghug is opportunistic, but also on par. I don't think he'd need much of a push to kill me in any game where we are not scum together. But his sudden attempt to not make me the kill sticks out as scum trying to save my MK for later. Null overall, was towning until his later move to Bona.

BB is BB - his reads are all over and that's almost always a blanket. His forgetting I am on GYs doesn't come off as natural to me since my 'away time' has been consistent these past several days. Scum points to him.

HB isn't putting any real effort. His 'gut reads' are trash and I think he's trying to coast this out awhile longer. The lack of conviction this early makes me feel he is distancing intentionally to not get caught like he has in the past. Scum points for him.

Maniac is doing the same thing as HB. Of the two, I think HB is more likely scum but also Maniac isn't trying very hard either. Null.

I still think damo isn't normal so he's in my scum/3P pool too. He isn't being 'organic' in my eyes, but this could be RL influenced more than anything.

In the great words of kgray and ghug, "worcej is bad". But ya'll need to learn my VT game better.

**loads gun, points at head, pulls trigger**
##vote worcej

Hopefully this doesn't cause a tie!

Scum, as a team, had an objectively poor game. Celaph and Macca did not play well and should've been dead to rights but town were terrible and let it slide. You did not need to bus Demon on D1, who was arguably your most important role, and yet you guys did.

You did win, which is the ultimate goal, but you did so in an objectively poorly manner.

What value are you gaining by dragging this up now? I was pretty sour that I was told to stop pushing a case because I was mean when I was actually right the entire time.

Also - stop answering ghug’s questions for him.

I'm ghug and I approve her message.

[kgray]

What value are you gaining by dragging this up now? I was pretty sour that I was told to stop pushing a case because I was mean when I was actually right the entire time.

Also - stop answering ghug’s questions for him.

You dragged it up! You weren't told to stop scumreading me, you were told to stop being a dick. I don't understand why some people on this site think those are the same thing.

Also - stop telling me what to do.

Technically ghug did. In my conversation with him. That you interjected into.

Oh that's right, I'm not allowed to speak unless spoken to. How silly of me to forget my place.

[Bonatogether]

Doesn't feel safe place for me to feel people out with questions or what not. Just want to get a feel. I'm new. I dunno most of you. Feels weird now

Safety is an illusion
Attack is the best form of defense. Kill or be killed

I'm aware. I just want to see how people are so I can get their vibe. That's all. Sorry if it wasn't serious business enough for you

Making comments about whoever or whatever strikes you is also a good thing to do

[President Eden]

You're obviously free to disagree with the end conclusion, but it's simply a fact that the value of d1 killing goes down when you don't get a flip. This setup is a lot closer to something like Among Us (where voting someone out is situational and contextual) than normal mafia (where you shoot every time barring some specific mechanical interaction). If I felt like the game wouldn't bog down into apathy from lack of kills then I would be firmly in the no-kill camp for day 1 and possibly later on.

For all that I heard this a dozen times before it's still somewhat shocking to hear this. You guys have been playing mafia for how many years, and you don't trust yourselves to find 4 scum in what... at least 7 chances + however more we get correct?

This is within our capacity. Trust in your reads, and PRs will supplement our knowledge not be its entire.

They couldn't do in the past few games with flips, so obviously there is a low expectation here.

my first thought too. But that's an issue no matter whether we vote d1 or not.

[BesharamSabi]

Sabi is just here to shit post

I'm here to play, get to know everyone and shit post

[worcej]

What value are you gaining by dragging this up now? I was pretty sour that I was told to stop pushing a case because I was mean when I was actually right the entire time.

Also - stop answering ghug’s questions for him.

You dragged it up! You weren't told to stop scumreading me, you were told to stop being a dick. I don't understand why some people on this site think those are the same thing.

Also - stop telling me what to do.

Also, dick comment brought up: I was only labeled that because I kept pushing my case on you to get you to crack. You know, the whole point of this game.

I’ll respectfully be a dick to everyone in this game at all times. lol

[BesharamSabi]

Doesn't feel safe place for me to feel people out with questions or what not. Just want to get a feel. I'm new. I dunno most of you. Feels weird now

asking 'who do you think is scummy and why' or some variation on that always is good. asking about specific people too is good too, but a lot of the knowledge of who to ask about whatever read is just meta knowledge that you won't have. you can still make contributions to the game. there really is no such thing as a dumb question

Give me the meta bona

[ghug]

You're obviously free to disagree with the end conclusion, but it's simply a fact that the value of d1 killing goes down when you don't get a flip. This setup is a lot closer to something like Among Us (where voting someone out is situational and contextual) than normal mafia (where you shoot every time barring some specific mechanical interaction). If I felt like the game wouldn't bog down into apathy from lack of kills then I would be firmly in the no-kill camp for day 1 and possibly later on.

For all that I heard this a dozen times before it's still somewhat shocking to hear this. You guys have been playing mafia for how many years, and you don't trust yourselves to find 4 scum in what... at least 7 chances + however more we get correct?

This is within our capacity. Trust in your reads, and PRs will supplement our knowledge not be its entire.

You and Durga have both represented the position as "we will not ever vote to kill until PRs come out with info" when the position is plainly "the risk on day 1 is not worth the reward in a no-flip environment." It would be appreciated if you both would cease misrepresenting the argument. Thanks.

Worcej literally said we should no kill for at least three days.

[kgray]

What value are you gaining by dragging this up now? I was pretty sour that I was told to stop pushing a case because I was mean when I was actually right the entire time.

Also - stop answering ghug’s questions for him.

You dragged it up! You weren't told to stop scumreading me, you were told to stop being a dick. I don't understand why some people on this site think those are the same thing.

Also - stop telling me what to do.

Also, dick comment brought up: I was only labeled that because I kept pushing my case on you to get you to crack. You know, the whole point of this game.

I’ll respectfully be a dick to everyone in this game at all times. lol

I just think it's ridiculous that you're excusing your rudeness and abrasiveness by saying it's for reads but glossing over the fact that your method of being a dick to me lead you to the exact incorrect conclusion about my alignment. It's almost like it's not a helpful tool and you should just not do it.

[Durga]

I don't get it anyway, no kill d1 means D2 is gonna be the same thing but with a dead obv town lol

[snowy801]

You're obviously free to disagree with the end conclusion, but it's simply a fact that the value of d1 killing goes down when you don't get a flip. This setup is a lot closer to something like Among Us (where voting someone out is situational and contextual) than normal mafia (where you shoot every time barring some specific mechanical interaction). If I felt like the game wouldn't bog down into apathy from lack of kills then I would be firmly in the no-kill camp for day 1 and possibly later on.

For all that I heard this a dozen times before it's still somewhat shocking to hear this. You guys have been playing mafia for how many years, and you don't trust yourselves to find 4 scum in what... at least 7 chances + however more we get correct?

This is within our capacity. Trust in your reads, and PRs will supplement our knowledge not be its entire.

They couldn't do in the past few games with flips, so obviously there is a low expectation here.

I mean I vaguely followed the last minigame where they got scum D1 and the game before though we missed on D1 (on you incidentally) we hardly missed a beat afterwards. Clearly the capacity is there.

@Eden your qualifications are recognized, but my thoughts remain no matter how many days we choose to skip.