Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

[Chaqa]

I don't want to vote you out. That's just a bad reason. Offering to be killed can just as easily be a scum tactic as a town one.

##VOTE Chaqa, I suppose.

Rd, why does a ghug/Bob team not kill you?

???

On the individual behavior, I don't think you're scum, but with Kak dead, I'm realizing the only team that makes sense to me is you/Maniac, and there's clearly no appetite to get Maniac, so here we are.

Except I'm town.

So, the team is Bob/???

I thought it was Bob/Kak tbh.

It could be Bob/Maniac or Bob/rdr or maybe even Bob/you.

But it's definitely Bob.

[ghug]

???

On the individual behavior, I don't think you're scum, but with Kak dead, I'm realizing the only team that makes sense to me is you/Maniac, and there's clearly no appetite to get Maniac, so here we are.

Except I'm town.

So, the team is Bob/???

I thought it was Bob/Kak tbh.

It could be Bob/Maniac or Bob/rdr or maybe even Bob/you.

But it's definitely Bob.

How come you're so sure of this, but when it came time to vote him yesterday, you were unwilling to?

[ghug]

Also just in general, why are you so sure of it?

[Chaqa]

But like, on my "possible scum to likely town" gradient:

Scum
Bob
rdr
Maniac
ghug
Town

It looks like this.

Bob/Maniac might be the most likely... the votes yesterday by Maniac were really odd. But that team would also mean scum voted together on Day 1 against their teammate and Day 2 against worcej.

[ghug]

But like, on my "possible scum to likely town" gradient:

Scum
Bob
rdr
Maniac
ghug
Town

It looks like this.

Bob/Maniac might be the most likely... the votes yesterday by Maniac were really odd. But that team would also mean scum voted together on Day 1 against their teammate and Day 2 against worcej.

I maintain that the day one vote together makes a whole lot of sense, but the day two vote makes them an unlikely team.

[ghug]

Why am I your strongest townread?

[Chaqa]

Also just in general, why are you so sure of it?

Well, I townread you very strongly. My townreads on Bona and celaph were accurate, so I'm back to trusting my gut.

As for Bob

I had decided last night that likely both scum are in Kak, Bob, Maniac, rivera, and with kak gone, it's a 2/3 more or less.

[Chaqa]

Why am I your strongest townread?

I historically have good ghug-dar

[BobMcBob]

Also just in general, why are you so sure of it?

Well, I townread you very strongly. My townreads on Bona and celaph were accurate, so I'm back to trusting my gut.

As for Bob

I had decided last night that likely both scum are in Kak, Bob, Maniac, rivera, and with kak gone, it's a 2/3 more or less.

so that means... im definitely scum because you believe i have a 2/3 chance of being scum along with 2 other people?

[Chaqa]

Also just in general, why are you so sure of it?

Well, I townread you very strongly. My townreads on Bona and celaph were accurate, so I'm back to trusting my gut.

As for Bob

I had decided last night that likely both scum are in Kak, Bob, Maniac, rivera, and with kak gone, it's a 2/3 more or less.

so that means... im definitely scum because you believe i have a 2/3 chance of being scum along with 2 other people?

The pairings are:
Bob/rdr
Bob/Maniac
rdr/Maniac

I tend to think rdr is town, and I have some reason to suspect Maniac may be, so it leaves you.

I don't know how else to figure this out. There's five of us left, 2 are scum, and no one has any good ideas who.

[BobMcBob]

scumteam scanning
episode 1
ghug/chaqa
its not ghug chaqa

[Chaqa]

make something up

i love this post so much
but seriously lfischl, you need to start having more opinions
chuck out some gut feelings at least

If one of ghug and jaime are scum then the other definitly is. If we were to vote one of them out and they were town then i think the other one would be town as well.

Bob coaching Lfishcl?

[BobMcBob]

scumteam scanning
episode 2
ghug/rdr

geeeeez i did not remember the interaction between them being quite this high
ghug scmread rdr for ages until on n3 inexplicably coming out of it
rdr or the other hand is still pushing ghug and has mentioned him far more than anyone else in the game
this is a situation in which i could absolutely see this being a heavy bus from both players, especially with ghug never really explaining why he stopped scumreading rdr and almost instantly switched him to his most townread player
rdr did not stop scumreading ghug or even lay off but if he did it wouldve likely looked suspicious so this is actually largely what i would expect from this scumteam
and anyway, he doesnt need to stop pushing ghug if he can just push me first today instead to force a miskill, which i half expect at this point
it is a bit of an on the nose distancing (if indeed thats what it is) but other than that this seems like a relatively likely team
overall this seems like a surprisingly good candidate for the scumteam

[BobMcBob]

i love this post so much
but seriously lfischl, you need to start having more opinions
chuck out some gut feelings at least

If one of ghug and jaime are scum then the other definitly is. If we were to vote one of them out and they were town then i think the other one would be town as well.

Bob coaching Lfishcl?

it gets annoying when he does this every single game
"oh hi guys sorry i have no thoughts on the game at all im just here except im not im doing something else again now"

[ghug]

scumteam scanning
episode 2
ghug/rdr

geeeeez i did not remember the interaction between them being quite this high
ghug scmread rdr for ages until on n3 inexplicably coming out of it
rdr or the other hand is still pushing ghug and has mentioned him far more than anyone else in the game
this is a situation in which i could absolutely see this being a heavy bus from both players, especially with ghug never really explaining why he stopped scumreading rdr and almost instantly switched him to his most townread player
rdr did not stop scumreading ghug or even lay off but if he did it wouldve likely looked suspicious so this is actually largely what i would expect from this scumteam
and anyway, he doesnt need to stop pushing ghug if he can just push me first today instead to force a miskill, which i half expect at this point
it is a bit of an on the nose distancing (if indeed thats what it is) but other than that this seems like a relatively likely team
overall this seems like a surprisingly good candidate for the scumteam

I explained exactly why I came out of it. He opened the day by suggesting that celaph was crumbing town scans. I think this was a real townslip.

[BobMcBob]

scumteam scanning
episode 2
ghug/rdr

geeeeez i did not remember the interaction between them being quite this high
ghug scmread rdr for ages until on n3 inexplicably coming out of it
rdr or the other hand is still pushing ghug and has mentioned him far more than anyone else in the game
this is a situation in which i could absolutely see this being a heavy bus from both players, especially with ghug never really explaining why he stopped scumreading rdr and almost instantly switched him to his most townread player
rdr did not stop scumreading ghug or even lay off but if he did it wouldve likely looked suspicious so this is actually largely what i would expect from this scumteam
and anyway, he doesnt need to stop pushing ghug if he can just push me first today instead to force a miskill, which i half expect at this point
it is a bit of an on the nose distancing (if indeed thats what it is) but other than that this seems like a relatively likely team
overall this seems like a surprisingly good candidate for the scumteam

I explained exactly why I came out of it. He opened the day by suggesting that celaph was crumbing town scans. I think this was a real townslip.

this was on n3 before rdr said any of that

I'm swinging back towards thinking you're town, so you really need to come out of your ghug tunnel. When have I ever advocated bad process as scum?

no explanation given
then came the townslip which you gave him townpoints for, you think
which is a very odd way of saying you think it's a real townslip and he is now your strongest townread

[ghug]

scumteam scanning
episode 2
ghug/rdr

geeeeez i did not remember the interaction between them being quite this high
ghug scmread rdr for ages until on n3 inexplicably coming out of it
rdr or the other hand is still pushing ghug and has mentioned him far more than anyone else in the game
this is a situation in which i could absolutely see this being a heavy bus from both players, especially with ghug never really explaining why he stopped scumreading rdr and almost instantly switched him to his most townread player
rdr did not stop scumreading ghug or even lay off but if he did it wouldve likely looked suspicious so this is actually largely what i would expect from this scumteam
and anyway, he doesnt need to stop pushing ghug if he can just push me first today instead to force a miskill, which i half expect at this point
it is a bit of an on the nose distancing (if indeed thats what it is) but other than that this seems like a relatively likely team
overall this seems like a surprisingly good candidate for the scumteam

I explained exactly why I came out of it. He opened the day by suggesting that celaph was crumbing town scans. I think this was a real townslip.

this was on n3 before rdr said any of that

I'm swinging back towards thinking you're town, so you really need to come out of your ghug tunnel. When have I ever advocated bad process as scum?

no explanation given
then came the townslip which you gave him townpoints for, you think
which is a very odd way of saying you think it's a real townslip and he is now your strongest townread

I think I had a vision of the scumteam that didn't include him in that moment. The townslip is the reason he's my strongest townread now, and I've called attention to it repeatedly.

[ghug]

Oh right.

Have I mentioned how much I hate the concept of hardclaims?

yeah...

I kinda just want to flip Bona now lol

Eh, I'm not.

I think I'm at
Maniac
Bob
Bona
rd
Chaqa
Kak
celaph
ghug

Day 3, after the post you quoted. (The post you quoted itself was followed by my scumread of maniac)

[ghug]

In my heart, I want to scumread Chaqa, but things like acting defeated because he thought the cop was going to save us really point to a townie mindset. I'm pretty comfortable townreading rd for identifying what he thought were celaph's scans, and I still think Kak is town. I'd like to kill outside of those three today.

Bona made the same mistake as rd with regards to celaph. I think he's much more likely to fake it, but it's still a small point in his favor. Maniac has the roleblock. I really dislike the laziness of Chaqa's reaction to that, but it does give me pause on voting for Maniac today. This leaves Bob, who is scummy.

I'm worried that this game is destined to end in miskills of me and Chaqa, and that makes me sad. Anyone who seriously believes that we're scum together needs to check how ridiculous that notion is and at least engage in hunting whoever you think is the outside partner, because we're definitely not going to catch scum if nobody's seriously looking.

My next post about Rd after the one where I identified the slip, establishing that it had led me to townread him.

[BobMcBob]

I explained exactly why I came out of it. He opened the day by suggesting that celaph was crumbing town scans. I think this was a real townslip.

this was on n3 before rdr said any of that

I'm swinging back towards thinking you're town, so you really need to come out of your ghug tunnel. When have I ever advocated bad process as scum?

no explanation given
then came the townslip which you gave him townpoints for, you think
which is a very odd way of saying you think it's a real townslip and he is now your strongest townread

I think I had a vision of the scumteam that didn't include him in that moment. The townslip is the reason he's my strongest townread now, and I've called attention to it repeatedly.

the townslip is basically the only thing keeping this team from being particularly likely
everything else is not great at all