Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

[BobMcBob]

Stinky

oh look at ghug immediately jumping on the one end of phase response post i made all game

I jump on bad response posts.

i was specifically avoiding making them after realising last game that they all look bad
then i was like this is important and warrants a response
note to self: phase shift results never warrant a response

[ghug]

oh look at ghug immediately jumping on the one end of phase response post i made all game

I jump on bad response posts.

i was specifically avoiding making them after realising last game that they all look bad
then i was like this is important and warrants a response
note to self: phase shift results never warrant a response

You reacted to Vecna's death.

[BobMcBob]

I jump on bad response posts.

i was specifically avoiding making them after realising last game that they all look bad
then i was like this is important and warrants a response
note to self: phase shift results never warrant a response

You reacted to Vecna's death.

yeah but that was with the intent of actually posing questions, which is different

[ghug]

i was specifically avoiding making them after realising last game that they all look bad
then i was like this is important and warrants a response
note to self: phase shift results never warrant a response

You reacted to Vecna's death.

yeah but that was with the intent of actually posing questions, which is different

I dunno. In retrospect it seems pretty rhetorical. What were you hoping to get from the answers?

[BobMcBob]

You reacted to Vecna's death.

yeah but that was with the intent of actually posing questions, which is different

I dunno. In retrospect it seems pretty rhetorical. What were you hoping to get from the answers?

i mean they kinda were
i was just floating ideas basically
it kind of is a reaction post i guess but it had a slightly different purpose than just "reaction"

[BobMcBob]

anyway, seeing as nothing is happening, im gonna try and iso ghug and bona in between watching youtube

[Chaqa]

I have never bought into the whole "reactions to flips are scummy" thing. It doesn't even make sense.

Day 1:

lfischl (4): BobMcBob, Maniac, Foxcastle, celaph
BobMcBob (2): Vecna, Kakarroto
Jamiet99uk (2): worcej, rdrivera2005
worcej (2): ghug, Jamiet99uk
celaph (1): Bonatogether

Day 2:

worcej (6): BobMcBob, celaph, Maniac, Chaqa, Vecna, rdrivera2005
celaph (2): Bonatogether, worcej
Vecna (2): Kakarroto, ghug

[Chaqa]

I have to admit, I was hoping the Cop would be our savior. To find out they had blocked him on all three nights is a real bummer.

I don't have any real inclination of who to vote for.

Maniac being roleblocked makes me think not him, since mafia would want to double their chances of killing/blocking the cop last night. They probably didn't know for sure celaph was the Cop, but it made sense to kill him since he was basically town cleared.

Outside of that... I could see voting for anyone today, really, but I do have some mild town reads on Bona, ghug, and Kakarot.

I don't even feel super scum vibes off of RDR or Bob, so I'm basically lost.

[Maniac]

This is turning into strange game. I was locked in chaqa being scum and he is still right up there, but his and Ghug’s reaction to me being RB give me pause for thought. If they were both scum they would’ve RB’d me and then tried to dismiss it all together. But they haven’t. Either they are scum and they have given up on getting me miskilled or they are town having genuine reactions. I know Ghug is still throwing some shade, but ‘less likely to vote for me’. This could be wifom of course and I’m meant to read their reactions as being towny. My head is spinning.

I also not overjoyed at Bona voting chaqa so early. A chaqa/Bona scum team just can’t afford to bus in this situation. Bona’s record of voting for Celaph and building a case against him also looks more scummy in hindsight. Obviously scum had Celaph nailed on as the cop early doors. Was Bona trying to get town to kill him off?

Overall I still like ##vote Chaqa.

@Chaqa - fun to your head would you vote Ghug or Bona?

[rdrivera2005]

I have never bought into the whole "reactions to flips are scummy" thing. It doesn't even make sense.

Day 1:

lfischl (4): BobMcBob, Maniac, Foxcastle, celaph
BobMcBob (2): Vecna, Kakarroto
Jamiet99uk (2): worcej, rdrivera2005
worcej (2): ghug, Jamiet99uk
celaph (1): Bonatogether

Day 2:

worcej (6): BobMcBob, celaph, Maniac, Chaqa, Vecna, rdrivera2005
celaph (2): Bonatogether, worcej
Vecna (2): Kakarroto, ghug

Well, D2 were all town wagons. Scum had an easy time choosing any wagon that fit his reads. I tend to townread a bit Chaqa for his move at the end.

Bona tunneling Celaph still look scummy to me and Ghug voting isn´t great too, but it could be confirmation bias on my side.

[BobMcBob]

I have never bought into the whole "reactions to flips are scummy" thing. It doesn't even make sense.

Day 1:

lfischl (4): BobMcBob, Maniac, Foxcastle, celaph
BobMcBob (2): Vecna, Kakarroto
Jamiet99uk (2): worcej, rdrivera2005
worcej (2): ghug, Jamiet99uk
celaph (1): Bonatogether

Day 2:

worcej (6): BobMcBob, celaph, Maniac, Chaqa, Vecna, rdrivera2005
celaph (2): Bonatogether, worcej
Vecna (2): Kakarroto, ghug

apparently they just generally look bad
i cant remember the last time someone didnt express dislike when ive done it

[Chaqa]

This is turning into strange game. I was locked in chaqa being scum and he is still right up there, but his and Ghug’s reaction to me being RB give me pause for thought. If they were both scum they would’ve RB’d me and then tried to dismiss it all together. But they haven’t. Either they are scum and they have given up on getting me miskilled or they are town having genuine reactions. I know Ghug is still throwing some shade, but ‘less likely to vote for me’. This could be wifom of course and I’m meant to read their reactions as being towny. My head is spinning.

I also not overjoyed at Bona voting chaqa so early. A chaqa/Bona scum team just can’t afford to bus in this situation. Bona’s record of voting for Celaph and building a case against him also looks more scummy in hindsight. Obviously scum had Celaph nailed on as the cop early doors. Was Bona trying to get town to kill him off?

Overall I still like ##vote Chaqa.

@Chaqa - fun to your head would you vote Ghug or Bona?

Yes

[Maniac]

@Chaqa - badly worded question. Would you prefer Ghug or Bona kill?

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa - badly worded question. Would you prefer Ghug or Bona kill?

Ugh. I don't know, to be honest.

I have town reads on both of them, but from my perspective, either one would be preferable to me dying. I guess I should re-read them.

[BobMcBob]

okay so bona scumread celaph
except when he didnt for like 10 posts before immediately going back to scumreading him again
he also townread chaqa, then scumread him out of nowhere
also said at least 5 times that i understand him
then the rest was random miscellaneous junk
thats bonas iso in a nutshell

so basically bona pushed our cop hard for the whole game (tbf, i did early on too) and has completely inexplicable read reversals
not much interaction with lfischl other than asking him to make up reads, which is a thing but doesnt mean much
overall bona is just super chaotic and while it seems like standard bona play its so wild that it could absolutely be scum just flying about chaotically
not an amazing vote, but a lot better than some of the other options

[BobMcBob]

ghug iso pending but i like sleep
from what ive done so far, ghug interactions with jamie are interesting and quite exaggerated, nothing else stands out yet

[ghug]

I have never bought into the whole "reactions to flips are scummy" thing. It doesn't even make sense.

Day 1:

lfischl (4): BobMcBob, Maniac, Foxcastle, celaph
BobMcBob (2): Vecna, Kakarroto
Jamiet99uk (2): worcej, rdrivera2005
worcej (2): ghug, Jamiet99uk
celaph (1): Bonatogether

Day 2:

worcej (6): BobMcBob, celaph, Maniac, Chaqa, Vecna, rdrivera2005
celaph (2): Bonatogether, worcej
Vecna (2): Kakarroto, ghug

It's something I've had to work at as scum, cause it's hard to be organic, so I keep an eye out for it. I tend to have a pretty good success rate identifying bad reactions.

[ghug]

In my heart, I want to scumread Chaqa, but things like acting defeated because he thought the cop was going to save us really point to a townie mindset. I'm pretty comfortable townreading rd for identifying what he thought were celaph's scans, and I still think Kak is town. I'd like to kill outside of those three today.

Bona made the same mistake as rd with regards to celaph. I think he's much more likely to fake it, but it's still a small point in his favor. Maniac has the roleblock. I really dislike the laziness of Chaqa's reaction to that, but it does give me pause on voting for Maniac today. This leaves Bob, who is scummy.

I'm worried that this game is destined to end in miskills of me and Chaqa, and that makes me sad. Anyone who seriously believes that we're scum together needs to check how ridiculous that notion is and at least engage in hunting whoever you think is the outside partner, because we're definitely not going to catch scum if nobody's seriously looking.

[Chaqa]

I think maybe a good way to approach this is to list all the possible pairs, eliminate unlikely ones, and dig into the likely ones.

List of pairs:
-------------------------

Bob/Bona
Bob/ghug
Bob/Kakarot
Bob/Maniac - I don't think it's likely both scum bussed on Day 1
Bob/rdr

Bona/ghug
Bona/Kakarot
Bona/Maniac
Bona/rdr

ghug/Kakarot
ghug/Maniac
ghug/rdr

Kakarot/Maniac
Kakarot/rdr

Maniac/rdr

I'll update this as I dig into pairs a bit more.

[ghug]

I was starting to do the same thing here, so I'll just copy your formatting.

Bob/Bona - There's been a lot of very blatant buddyish behavior, which would normally make me think the pairing is unlikely, but that sort of thing is right up Bona's alley.
Bob/Chaqa -
Bob/Kakarroto - Kak moved to Bob from lfischl in the final moments day one. It's weird to move to your teammate while trying to protect your teammate, so I'm comfortable discounting.
Bob/Maniac - I think the double bus is entirely possible. It's easier to bus if your teammate is going to look good too. The wagon on worcej came into a tie for the lead with Vecna with Bob/Celaph/Maniac in that order, though, and I don't see scum putting all their eggs in the worcej basket like that.
Bob/rdr -

Bona/Chaqa - They blatantly townread each other D2 and then kinda stopped. Doesn't really feel like a scum pair.
Bona/Kakarroto -
Bona/Maniac -
Bona/rdr -

Chaqa/Kakarroto - First two votes on a Vecna wagon with less than an hour left D2. Scum usually don't move together this blatantly
Chaqa/Maniac - Maniac's in a very inauthentic tunnel, so this would make some sense.
Chaqa/rdr - The way rd reacted to the Jamie quit makes this unlikely.

Kakarroto/Maniac
Kakarroto/rdr

Maniac/rdr

Potential teammates (most likely to less likely):
Bob - Chaqa, Bona, rdr
Bona - Maniac, Bob, Kak, rdr
Chaqa - Maniac, Bob
Kak - Bona, Maniac, rdr
Maniac - Chaqa, Bona, Kak, rdr
rdr - Bob, Bona, Maniac, Kak