Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

[Vecna]

i don't know at what point ghug was convinced you were town, but i dont think it was yesterday
all i could see was ghug putting you in scumteams and poe, voting you twice and scumreading you on multiple occasions
which game of mafia are you looking at?
this seems like a very pointed misrepresentation with various meta things to add to your case thrown in too

He didnt mention me a single time since our interaction where he "made me participate" and his EoD vote when it looked like I wasnt going to show up.

The vote showed up when 1-2 others were mentioning me as a potential wagon.

i feel like that really means very little
i felt like yesterdays kill was very likely to be either you or worcej
and i wouldnt blame anyone who scumread you for voting you over the main alternative
which is exactly what ghug did

Are you townreading Ghug? If no, why this devil's advocate play?

[Vecna]

Also, if youre town, why does it not raise eyebrowns that you were chosen by Ghug as well, together with me and Rdrivera.

Between the 3 of them and Worcej going forward, who do you think is the better option for scum to get killed, assuming theyre town?

[Vecna]

Because from where im standing, youre not analyzing - but just finding reasons why a town person would do those things.

[BobMcBob]

He didnt mention me a single time since our interaction where he "made me participate" and his EoD vote when it looked like I wasnt going to show up.

The vote showed up when 1-2 others were mentioning me as a potential wagon.

i feel like that really means very little
i felt like yesterdays kill was very likely to be either you or worcej
and i wouldnt blame anyone who scumread you for voting you over the main alternative
which is exactly what ghug did

Are you townreading Ghug? If no, why this devil's advocate play?

i townread ghug overall, id say hes about in the middle of the pack

[BobMcBob]

Also, if youre town, why does it not raise eyebrowns that you were chosen by Ghug as well, together with me and Rdrivera.

Between the 3 of them and Worcej going forward, who do you think is the better option for scum to get killed, assuming theyre town?

depends on who scum is
but in a vacuum assuming these 4 players are town, i dont really know
probably you because as town you would get more dangerous later?

[BobMcBob]

Because from where im standing, youre not analyzing - but just finding reasons why a town person would do those things.

this is more of an (admittedly weak) attempt to look at you than ghug

[Vecna]

Towards EoD he voted Rdrivera, you and then landed on me because there were 2 other votes there.

You can bet your bloody balls im town, regardless of people being ignorant to that fact this game.

Im not convinced on either of you or Rdrivera being town, but that might just be my flaw.

So if Ghug is town, and he is roughly equal on Rdrivera/you/me and somehow mentions Chaqa in that list as well as preferable over Worcej....

Given how this game has played out, and the way he feels about those players....

Do you feel that vote really reflects how he would vote as town?

Because to me it feels like he was shopping for a good scum kill, and that town him wouldve tried to kill Chaqa in that spot.

When I popped in and made this argument in much shorter form you could even tell he was taken aback by it a little bit.

[Vecna]

And just remember that if Chaqa ever does flip scum, thats 2 EoD's he's voted away from his theatrical all game scumread, to land on town.

D1 that would mean he pivotted away from a double scum wagon (jamiet/lfischl) to try and land on town.

[Vecna]

And you equate those to reasons I should townread you over eh?

This interaction just feels more like you want a pat on the back than anything.

No, I want you to demonstrate your normal ability to synthesize information and reach conclusions, which you're not doing here.

suck it

[Vecna]

Also, note that chaqa's stated reason "I believe scum ghug wouldve bussed Lfisch"

Is complete bollocks.

Ghug has been trying pretty hard to save teammates in recent games. Remember that game he outted his entire team trying to save brainbomb or whatever where -chaqa- still went on to win the game?

Yeah.....

[Vecna]

I will say though that I pity Chaqa if he indeed had to replace into that slot and had to roll with that over the top piece of theatre, given recent events.

[Vecna]

Hurray, I did a Vecna, now we can all townread me again.

10/10

[BobMcBob]

Towards EoD he voted Rdrivera, you and then landed on me because there were 2 other votes there.

You can bet your bloody balls im town, regardless of people being ignorant to that fact this game.

Im not convinced on either of you or Rdrivera being town, but that might just be my flaw.

So if Ghug is town, and he is roughly equal on Rdrivera/you/me and somehow mentions Chaqa in that list as well as preferable over Worcej....

Given how this game has played out, and the way he feels about those players....

Do you feel that vote really reflects how he would vote as town?

Because to me it feels like he was shopping for a good scum kill, and that town him wouldve tried to kill Chaqa in that spot.

When I popped in and made this argument in much shorter form you could even tell he was taken aback by it a little bit.

i dunno, maybe it is a little extreme to pit worcej so high up on the list of town
maybe there is something in this

[BobMcBob]

Also, note that chaqa's stated reason "I believe scum ghug wouldve bussed Lfisch"

Is complete bollocks.

Ghug has been trying pretty hard to save teammates in recent games. Remember that game he outted his entire team trying to save brainbomb or whatever where -chaqa- still went on to win the game?

Yeah.....

now that you put it like that, this does seem a little contrived actually

[BobMcBob]

Hurray, I did a Vecna, now we can all townread me again.

10/10

6/10 would definitely consider not voting you tomorrow

[Vecna]

Hurray, I did a Vecna, now we can all townread me again.

10/10

6/10 would definitely consider not voting you tomorrow

Ive known ever since I looped you and Ghug together, and both of you did the "look at this guy with his rediculous pairing" that there had to be at minimum one scum in there.

The sense of both of you doing the whole "this pairing is ridiculous lol, you see how bad his reads are" to eachother had to include at least (and more likely) one scum.

[BobMcBob]

one of the things that seems odd about ghug being scum with chaqa though, is why would jamie protest like that?
it would have to be some kind of weird setup with ghug which i find unlikely
i will refrain from reading into gm actions because thats just poor form
but i dont find the outburst a particularly likely result of a ghug/jamie scumteam

[BobMcBob]

Hurray, I did a Vecna, now we can all townread me again.

10/10

6/10 would definitely consider not voting you tomorrow

Ive known ever since I looped you and Ghug together, and both of you did the "look at this guy with his rediculous pairing" that there had to be at minimum one scum in there.

The sense of both of you doing the whole "this pairing is ridiculous lol, you see how bad his reads are" to eachother had to include at least (and more likely) one scum.

why does that make it necessary for there to be a scum
especially if there is only 1 scum that means that the town in the pairing would individually choose to go "oh look at the ridiculous pairing"
so why could that not happen with two town individually?

[Vecna]

Outburst because of strategical differences? Jamiet didnt wanna go along with it? People actually siding with Ghug and indicating to go and vote Jamiet?

Some other type of weird plan to pivot away from it?

I dno, but mostly everything else in those actions fits the pairing just fine as far as im concerned.

[Vecna]

6/10 would definitely consider not voting you tomorrow

Ive known ever since I looped you and Ghug together, and both of you did the "look at this guy with his rediculous pairing" that there had to be at minimum one scum in there.

The sense of both of you doing the whole "this pairing is ridiculous lol, you see how bad his reads are" to eachother had to include at least (and more likely) one scum.

why does that make it necessary for there to be a scum
especially if there is only 1 scum that means that the town in the pairing would individually choose to go "oh look at the ridiculous pairing"
so why could that not happen with two town individually?

just ego, being wrong on 1 is fine, being wrong on both is unacceptable.

I do feel you both responded poorly to it, in a manner Ive seen coming from scum so many times over the years. Maybe I worded it poorly, but when u get those vibes from both parties, it just confirms to me im right on at least one.

I thought you were more likely. But then apparently you forgot. And Ghug scumclaimed with his voting.