Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

[celaph]

Maybe it's Vecna and Kak.

[celaph]

Phew, that is actually hard. I'm having the creeps right now from lfischl. Worcej isn't here, ok, something sunday and family (see last game), alright, but no word of it is kinda strange. And then ... hmm ... I'm kinda lost. Maybe celaph? Maybe jamie? Maybe bob? From the reactions per se, I'm not sure, but did bob try to buddy me? And maniac was kinda strange too, but that might be just strange strange. Or weird strange.

So probably lfischl, worcej and, with the current low energy situation, probably bob and cel/jamie are just the t vs t situation mafia would want to have? Sorry if I sound unsure but I guess I can't get a better feeling of the situation right now.

Unless Jamie is scum, this hesitancy strikes me as town from Kak. ##unvote

Why only mention jamiet as a possible scum though?

At the time Jamie and I were the top two wagons by a fair margin. The way he was hesitating felt quite genuine to me which makes me think he is either town worried that the two wagons were TvT or scum trying to figure out how to avoid voting for Jamie.

[celaph]

Also, I was RB'd.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how glad are you that fox, who was voting you for reading you weak town/townleaning on you, was the night target?

Why do you think that mafia would rb you and nk him?

2. He showed that he was receptive to new arguments and wasn't just going to death tunnel me for being a weak town. That both makes him far easier to work with and much less annoying even knowing that he peddled a stupid idea. After spending a few hours away from the game my annoyance at him was basically gone. Given the vote he was also my strongest townread so I'm sad to lose him on that front.

I think it indicates that they weren't expecting to hit a doctor and were just taking him out for being very towny. My best guesses at why the mafia would RB me are weak and speculative. I suppose they either thought I was cop or thought it would frame me.

[celaph]

if anyone on the wagon was bussing it was you
and i dont think thats entirely unlikely

... ignoring me as I obviously wasn't the one campaigning for lfischl to die and didn't believe in my vote.

Given your response I take it that's it's fair to assume that you think no scum are getting town credit for lfischl's death.

at this point all that really says is i doubt maniac was bussing, but yes, thats correct

Yeah, it obviously meant slightly more when I originally asked it when Fox was alive.

[celaph]

So, I've been thinking (no, please, sit down again, no need to flee the building). Why would mafia choose to nk fox?

1) He is a very good player and mafia is afraid of him.
2) He had someone in his reads/pushes that is mafia and they want to eliminate people voting for that person.
3) He had someone in his reads/pushes that is town and they want to miskill someone by obfuscating that.
4) Mafia read his behaviour as PR and prioritised him over others.
5) Mafia threw a coin or dice and it landed fox.
6) Mafia are a bunch of animal/furry hater.
7) More than one of the above. (please with further information)
8) Other than any of the above. (please with further information)
9) Kak you should stop you know exactly why we did it.

Other than that, I would also like to hear your ideas of why mafia would choose fox over yourself.

id say 1 and/or 4 are most likely
2 is also reasonable
or i suppose 9 if youre the mafia which i currently doubt

I'd agree with this take.

[Vecna]

While I feel kaka's content is much more towny than last game, his playstyle and energy gives me the exact same vibes as last game.

I could totally see him turning his disappointment of being daykilled while he was gone, and in his eyes for the wrong reasons, into energy to completely wow us with his scumplay this game.

It could be that. I dont think it is, but it could be.

[Vecna]

Also, celaph is giving me the same vibes now as when he was battling rdr in lylo

[rdrivera2005]

Since this is a mini mafia with less nights and days to play, would you say "because of reads on N1" is on the same level like normal or somewhat different? Could that be enough to consider another approach?

I don't think so, it gives more an incentive to kill people with good reads, but also give an incentive to kill people with bad reads to lock them and try to push miskills. I still think the fact he was pivotal to killing a scum was the main reason, unless he crumbed something, which I don't really looked for.

[rdrivera2005]

Also, celaph is giving me the same vibes now as when he was battling rdr in lylo

I have the same feeling. It's the kind of energy it's hard to replicate as scum.

[BobMcBob]

on the one hand celaphs long post is unusually defensive which is odd
on the other hand i think it may actually be coming from a town perspective
its an awful lot of effort to go to defend yourself as either alignment tbh
has some weird energy

[Maniac]

##vote Chaqa

I’m sure the Ghug wagon is scum driven right now and Chamie is our best kill.

@worceJ - I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment that Ghug and Chamie are on opposite sides, but if you believe that would you be willing to flip Chamie instead of Ghug?

@Bona - do you have any case against Ghug? What do you think of flipping Chamie instead?

@rdr - I don’t think you’re scum, but iirc you haven’t presented a good case for voting Ghug

[rdrivera2005]

##vote Chaqa

I’m sure the Ghug wagon is scum driven right now and Chamie is our best kill.

@worceJ - I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment that Ghug and Chamie are on opposite sides, but if you believe that would you be willing to flip Chamie instead of Ghug?

@Bona - do you have any case against Ghug? What do you think of flipping Chamie instead?

@rdr - I don’t think you’re scum, but iirc you haven’t presented a good case for voting Ghug

I don't know if it's a good case, but I pointed my reasons to vote Ghug:

- His reaction to Jamiet subbing out, without questioning a single bit his read on the slot.
- His behavior at EOD, asking Fox for a flash wagon and instead of joining lfischl he voted Worcej. On this point I am waiting for his answer.

As you are asking for good cases, what is your case on Jamiet/Chaqa. You just said it's the best kill. Why?

[Chaqa]

##vote Chaqa

I’m sure the Ghug wagon is scum driven right now and Chamie is our best kill.

@worceJ - I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment that Ghug and Chamie are on opposite sides, but if you believe that would you be willing to flip Chamie instead of Ghug?

@Bona - do you have any case against Ghug? What do you think of flipping Chamie instead?

@rdr - I don’t think you’re scum, but iirc you haven’t presented a good case for voting Ghug

I think calling it "scum driven" is quite unfair, but it being scum-preferred is maybe true.

Presumably the people who voted out Fishy are town. Celaph's RB claim is likely true. You and Bob should also be town.

My thinking with the ghug vote is twofold:

1. While reading, my ghug-scumdar was being pinged

2. He was on one of the main counterwagons to scum.

That said, knowing I am town, and Jamie/ghug voted together, this does take a slight turn toward maybe the other wagons being more the scum one(s).

So that would be some grouping of Vecna, Kakarot, worcej, rivera.

Worc and Rivera are on the wagon with me. Bona is 100% guaranteed town (TM).

Putting this all together...

We should vote Kak, worcej, or rivera.

Why not Vecna?

Scum Vecna wouldn't vote Bob here. It's too hard of a sell to the rest of town when scum wants easy kills.

##Vote Kakarroto

[rdrivera2005]

Humm, could it be so easy and it's Chaqa and Ghug? This last Chaqa's message looks so convoluted.

[Chaqa]

Humm, could it be so easy and it's Chaqa and Ghug? This last Chaqa's message looks so convoluted.

I do like to bus.

[BobMcBob]

Humm, could it be so easy and it's Chaqa and Ghug? This last Chaqa's message looks so convoluted.

that would be funny
but it does seem too easy even to me

[rdrivera2005]

Humm, could it be so easy and it's Chaqa and Ghug? This last Chaqa's message looks so convoluted.

I do like to bus.

Yeah, this is a valid point. I would expect you to bus Ghug all the way.

[worcej]

@worcej have you read the game up since weekend is over? Do you have any more ideas/questions/theories?

I posted a TL;DR already but I town Maniac, celaph, and yourself via VCA from D1. If any of you were scum, you could've easily just planted a vote on my slot and flipped me over bussing the shark.

I'd also encourage anyone inclined to vote for me to look at the EoD voting assuming that I'm lfischl's teammate and not Jamie's and tell me if it makes any sense.

With 7 minutes left, you moved off Jamie's wagon and proceeded to put your vote on me, creating a tie between Jamie and myself. At the time, Sharky only had 2 votes on him.

From a scum~teammate mindset, your move makes sense because you're creating two town wagons tied at first in the hope that others will pile onto one of them, as we usually do. Sharky had good odds of slipping back into the sea instead of being pulled up to the boat, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

[worcej]

##vote Chaqa

I’m sure the Ghug wagon is scum driven right now and Chamie is our best kill.

@worceJ - I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment that Ghug and Chamie are on opposite sides, but if you believe that would you be willing to flip Chamie instead of Ghug?

@Bona - do you have any case against Ghug? What do you think of flipping Chamie instead?

@rdr - I don’t think you’re scum, but iirc you haven’t presented a good case for voting Ghug

No, I'm pretty sold that ghug is scum based off how he voted D1 and him trying to use VCA to defend himself from being scum.

[worcej]

Side note: I do find it rather notable that Bona was absent for the 80 minutes before EoD and then appeared rather quickly after the results were shared.

NAI imo - players usually (unless obscure time zone issues) check in on phase changes and make themselves available around that time.

Fair counterargument. Do you have an opinion on the fact that he didn't just check in, but also participated for the next 15 minutes? It bothers me a bit, but I still think your explanation covers it plenty.

I don't have a strong opinion either way. Like I said, people make the time to check in and may make enough time to comment.

I'll fess something up: I usually always check every phase change via the bot, even if I am busy, to see what happens so at least I know who died and what role they were.