MAFIA XXXVII: THE WHEEL OF WEB-TIME

[brainbomb]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... Jamiet99uk


Jamie has 48 posts

9 posts about serial killer
1 post about yavu dying
8 posts about doctor and docsaves

Calls thomas scummy
Agrees with vecna and 180 flip flops
Says foxcastle is less likely to be scum

At no point in 48 posts sofar does jamie ever refer to a single player as town. Every player is either sk or scum to him pr is dubbed less likely to be scum.

He never calls anyone town.

In the night Jamie provides specific reasoning why I am not scum.

after a case by Vecna, Jamie claims to have never called me town.
This is true. In fact he has unashamedly NEVER called a player town this game in any point whatsoever.

Jamiet99uk
Day-3 30:06
page 83
↑brainbomb: "##Vote Jamie

Called me probable town at start of day with reasoning and has 180d on that."

Ok this is a straight up lie. I have not called you town at any point in the current day.

Prove me wrong.

I will absolutely run for president, take up heroin, and become a jockey if Jamie is somehow town.

[damo666]

DT you had a self vote up didn't you? That's what I found not sensible. It's better now.

[Vecna]

a
Vecna
Day-3 37:06
page 81
↑peterlund: "I was not RBed. Got no message about being RBed."
Seems mafia are still trying really hard to dodge the tracker/JOAT.

Teacher would know full well it normally is completely optimal to janitor N1 (beause for the rest of the game, town is going to be suspicious of any PR claim). Instead they appear to have chosen a completely safe approach to avoid getting caught by tracking.



This is odd. Here you imply that janitor wasnt used because of tracker/joat. But you dont deny roleblocker being used.

Are you denying roleblocker was used on me? Or that it was used at all?

Yes im stating I think scum didnt use the RB, and you made use of that fact to claim RBd to get towncred.

Teacher showed in his play he was concerced about the tracker (the claim gambit) and that he was doing statistics on stuff. I didnt do the math, but having all 4 scum do visits every night results in very high odds that 2 or so get caught in 4 nights of play.

[brainbomb]

Jamie refers to rules a number of times. Only ever refers to anyone being town as being laughably possible.

Jamiet99uk
Day-3 27:59
page 86
↑DoubtingThomas: "flip flapping does not really make one look scummy at all, especially when there is 24+ hrs left in the game. In the end..."
If you are town, why would you want to make a pledge that would make *my* death result in *two* town deaths?


Jamiet99uk
Day-3 27:58
page 86
↑DoubtingThomas: "flip flapping does not really make one look scummy at all, especially when there is 24+ hrs left in the game. In the end..."
So, also, what you are saying here is that all the votes you cast, apart from votes on me, are fake, meaningless votes? Ok that's so towny. Wow, you're a hero.


(This is incredbily fake and flimsy)

Jamiet99uk
Day-3 27:56
page 86
↑DoubtingThomas: "what the fuck are you saying

PLEASE GET LYNCHED"
You said "if he flips town you can lynch me".

Townies dying is bad for town. If you are town, why state that it's ok for town to lynch you if I die and flip town? All that results in is two town deaths instead of one. How would your death help town win? Just because you're mistaken about me doesn't mean you should want to sacrifice your life too.
Jamiet99uk
Day-3 27:55
page 86 Doubting-T, why are you so angry? What is making you so upset?

It's only game. Why you heff to be mad?

(Appeal to audience and authority)

Jamiet99uk
Day-3 27:54
page 86 That's not productive, don't start taking lessons from Brainbomb. Go and have a glass of milk or a cup of tea, take some deep breaths.

(Ad Hominem response to pressure)

Jamiet99uk
Day-3 27:52
page 86 Naww, you're not Mafia. I don't believe that.

(This does not imply town once again and is sarcasm)


Jamiet99uk
Day-3 27:06
page 87 @DoubtingThomas: Conceding in public is against the rules.

@Brainbomb: Making bets or wagers, even involving hotdogs, is against the rules.

@Squig: I do not have a fit whenever someone votes me. Fake news.

(More rules talk)

[brainbomb]

a
Vecna
Day-3 37:06
page 81
↑peterlund: "I was not RBed. Got no message about being RBed."
Seems mafia are still trying really hard to dodge the tracker/JOAT.

Teacher would know full well it normally is completely optimal to janitor N1 (beause for the rest of the game, town is going to be suspicious of any PR claim). Instead they appear to have chosen a completely safe approach to avoid getting caught by tracking.



This is odd. Here you imply that janitor wasnt used because of tracker/joat. But you dont deny roleblocker being used.

Are you denying roleblocker was used on me? Or that it was used at all?

Yes im stating I think scum didnt use the RB, and you made use of that fact to claim RBd to get towncred.

Teacher showed in his play he was concerced about the tracker (the claim gambit) and that he was doing statistics on stuff. I didnt do the math, but having all 4 scum do visits every night results in very high odds that 2 or so get caught in 4 nights of play.

So when I flip town, do you still think I just made it up or is it real at that point? What im asking is,does me getting actually roleblocked twice affect your thoughts on how afraid scum is to use its actions? Assume they really did, which they did, what does that tell you about roleblockers confidence level in how deeply implanted he_)she is?

[brainbomb]

Peruse Jamie today in ISO.

There is no solve, no townreads, and laziness laced with jokes. This is his scum meta when hes caught cold turkey.

[brainbomb]

Jamiet99uk
Day-3 12:05
page 88
↑damo666: "Physician heal thyself (bb)"
This is an interesting comment.

It could be seen as Damo666 noticing Brainbomb's alleged Doctor (Dentist) breadcrumb, perhaps?

Interesting since Brainbomb now claims he is the Doctor.

@Damo666 - could you tell us about the above quoted post? Do you believe Brainbomb's Doctor claim?

Role fishing.
Maybe scum actually thinks peter wasnt real and I am really doc,thus I wasnt worth nightkilling.

[brainbomb]

In light of realizing theres 2 scum left.
The squigs, bismark, damo modkill stuff by teacher im going to downgrade to being a red herring.

I probably overthought that. Im used to games on mu and the center with scumsided 5 scum per 18 players. Ive not played here in months and forgot webdip made games easy for us.

[damo666]

Brain - assuming Jamie is scum who is his most likely partner?

[DoubtingThomas]

thedipplayer would be my choice as an alternative to peter.

reading page 28 ~30,

Teacher promotes peter lynch, but quickly switches over to the lurking 'thedip' when bozo, out of the blue mentions thedip wagon 1 hour before the game.

Soon, the vote goes from peter with 5 to 8 votes on thedip, strongly pushed by teacher, bozo, and the executed traitor, DrCJG.

very interesting, as teacher has been against voting demon for lurking as well, but wanted to kill another lurker, thedip, just fine.

Teacher - scum
Bozo - scum

demon (replaced) - slight scum

Fox - town; very suspicious of voting thedip, shutdown by teacher

What is it about squiggs that pings your scumdetector, DoubtingThomas?

nothing much, personally feel like he's playing well like a townie.

just thinking maybe the reason why teacher didn't want demon lynched is because he was a scum, meanwhile he was the biggest influencer in lynching thedip, another lurker

[as teacher has been against voting demon for lurking as well, but wanted to kill another lurker, thedip, just fine.

In case you missed it in the first go round, context is key.

Again, timing is key:

• Demon: Around 3 hours left in phase, no clear counterwagon to Brain.
• TheDip: Around 20 minues left in phase, when I am conflicted town on the counterwagon.

Tell me, if Im scum, why do I get off Peter? It only gets attention, and its not like thedip softed PR.

you said it yourself,

you are able to get back on peter on d2 even if you are to lynch thedip in d1.

and you have done that pretty well so far, like you have promised.

even though thedip is not a PR, getting rid of a VT is still good for you if you can still get votes on peter the next day. Especially if thedip continued to be lurking, he could have been replaced like demon, so it probably is better for you to get rid of thedip when you can, on D1

Teacher, you were highly opposed to lynching Demon because we wouldn't learn anything from his flip. Can you tell me what we're learning by lynching thedipplayer?

Not much. But I now town both brain and (lesser) Peter and its a bit late to get another wagon going. I would have been fine with you too but thedip compromise came first.

You couldn't reply to Fox back there.

Can you do it now?

Just because peter said he doesn't care about his personal deaths, you would change your reads on him that quickly?

Anyone can really say that, you know that well enough, Peter knows that well enough, and even a newb like I understand that point.

Doesn't really make sense for you to do swing peter to townie, while leading the vote to kill theDip, while voting Peter AGAIN on D2 without much difference in situation?

Eh, but then I give Peter a nuller read overnight. And Id probably try hitting people who have softed PR. But your reads are genuine, so thank you for responding.

Bismarck, Im not sure if youve been on or not, but I repeat my mechanical comment from earlier. I need more from you.

Anyone can really say that, you know that well enough, Peter knows that well enough, and even a newb like I understand that point.

First, sorry about my last post. I should at least snip the top so you know what I am responding to.

Second, I will make it explicit since Im pretty sure I was wrong: In M36, I scumread Peter for a weak reason and lurking. He OMGUSed back, and didnt try to survive. He was a town PR. Here, I scumread Peter for a weak reason and lurking. He OMGUSed back, and didnt try to survive.

Can you guess why I didnt want to lynch him?

This is all me attacking Teacher2

If you think a newb can bus like this, then I will take that as a compliment.

Anyways, to this, Jamie comes in a little bit later and states

I think it might be interesting to ##Vote Teacher2

NOTE that this does not mean I'm suddenly convinced Brain is town. Although he has calmed down and started playing the game instead of fucking around and having random temper tantrums.

He's convinced at my push, and votes Teacher2. Okay, great

Then, Bozo came in a little bit later (I also think Bozo is highly likely a scum, explained multiple times btw) and says this:

teacher seems town to me, and even though he might be very capable of looking like town as scum, I do not think he should be lynched now.

Is it because he is your scum buddy?

If teacher flips scum, you are being voted next

Half truth that I really believe he's a scum, but also half of it is to see his reaction. I don't see any reason NOT to vote Teacher2, but Bozo gives some bs reasons to NOT vote for teacher2 (he doesn't even think he's definite town, and still refuses to vote)

Is your suspicion of teacher because he switched from peter to thedipplayer based on the assumption that peter is scum? If so, why not lynch peter first to make sure he is scum?

literally says "hey, lynch peter first instead of teacher2 pl0x"

teacher seems town to me, and even though he might be very capable of looking like town as scum, I do not think he should be lynched now.

Is it because he is your scum buddy?

If teacher flips scum, you are being voted next

If teacher was my scum teammate, I would not be that obvious.

some weak and fake shit about how he wouldn't make it "obvious" if they weren't on the same team

I continue on asking LEGITIMATE questions about why Bozo is not voting Teacher2:

Is it because he is your scum buddy?

If teacher flips scum, you are being voted next

If teacher was my scum teammate, I would not be that obvious.

If he was not your scum teammate, and you have no ground for him not to be scum, why don't you vote teacher? and i will maybe start to believe you

because
1) even teacher town read peter
2) while pursuing peter lynch, you randomly suggested thedip, and teacher immediately followed through
3) your reason for not voting teacher is super weak and you continue to defend him even though you don't have a solid reason

I am still not sure I understand if you think peter is scum.

I mean

teacher town read peter himself

so it doesn't really make sense

for me to vote peter first

i think teacher is a strong scum

and i dont think both teacher and peter will be scum

peter looks like a town read for me, as he doesn't seem to be afraid of dying,

but teacher certainly is

THEN OUT OF NOWHERE JAMIE CHIMES IN (check pg.59 to see how out of context it was)

DoubtingThomas is really pitching hard to save Peter.

I am not sure how he can see that as me pitching hard to save Peter, when all I am really doing is questioning Bozo's motive behind avoiding lynching Teacher2

can someone please tell me what of that I said makes me look like I am "pitching hard to save Peter"

[brainbomb]

Brain - assuming Jamie is scum who is his most likely partner?

I think hes sk.

And I dont strongly see any connections other than scum would desperately want sk alive, and would push any counter wagon to sk because extra kp is scums only saving grace now vs an ocean of town PR and probable semi clears who dunked teacher.

[brainbomb]

Operating in that modus operandi

It simply means scum could be exactly vecna/flash, or some combo of vecna and rivera maybe?

With them hardcore desperate to at least milk 1 more night of kp from Jamie.

[BismarckAlive]

Brainbomb,
There are 2 Mafia left: Janitor/Ninja (does the NK now Ninja is dead) and RoleBlocker.

My deep analysis of all actions to date (D1 lynch, N1 deaths, D2 lynch, N2 death)centered on DrCJG (N1 death), the D2 lynch (Ninja), and N2.

During D1, DrCJG honed in on Yav, Peter, Worcej and Vecna. When he voted, he voted Vecna. He ended up N1 kill.

During D2, Vecna, Worcej and Teacher stayed on Peter Wagon until near the end, when in the chaos all 3 went to Jamie to counter the winning Teacher wagon. Hence my belief that Worcej and Vecna are the remaining Mafia.

Now move through D2. Yav spent time discussing SK, so I think that is why he was killed N2, and I think that was done by SK.

Damo and DT both thought they would be killed during N2. DT is alive, and was not visited / RB'ed / saved.

Damo, on other hand, spent time attacking Teacher2, and voted Worcej. I theorise now that Damo was attacked by Janitor/Ninja but was saved by either Doctor or JOAT (if JOAT hasn't used his docsave already - he only has 1).

If Doctor confirms the Damo save, then that fits with my theory like a glove, and it is 3 strikes against the Worcej/Vecna combination.

I would make the two wagons Worcej and Vecna, and get one lynched now.

[brainbomb]

As scum id do anything to keep that extra kp alive if I strongly or affirmatively knew whom sk was. Id even sac myself to save sk because my team can win with 1 guy left plus a living sk roaming the pelennor fields

[brainbomb]

Brainbomb,
There are 2 Mafia left: Janitor/Ninja (does the NK now Ninja is dead) and RoleBlocker.

My deep analysis of all actions to date (D1 lynch, N1 deaths, D2 lynch, N2 death)centered on DrCJG (N1 death), the D2 lynch (Ninja), and N2.

During D1, DrCJG honed in on Yav, Peter, Worcej and Vecna. When he voted, he voted Vecna. He ended up N1 kill.

During D2, Vecna, Worcej and Teacher stayed on Peter Wagon until near the end, when in the chaos all 3 went to Jamie to counter the winning Teacher wagon. Hence my belief that Worcej and Vecna are the remaining Mafia.

Now move through D2. Yav spent time discussing SK, so I think that is why he was killed N2, and I think that was done by SK.

Damo and DT both thought they would be killed during N2. DT is alive, and was not visited / RB'ed / saved.

Damo, on other hand, spent time attacking Teacher2, and voted Worcej. I theorise now that Damo was attacked by Janitor/Ninja but was saved by either Doctor or JOAT (if JOAT hasn't used his docsave already - he only has 1).

If Doctor confirms the Damo save, then that fits with my theory like a glove, and it is 3 strikes against the Worcej/Vecna combination.

I would make the two wagons Worcej and Vecna, and get one lynched now.

Ok.

Ill lynch Vecna but the odds are scum is banking on a 2 kp noght to double tap pr. Hitting Jamie today likely kills sk.

[DoubtingThomas]

Luckily, other towns see my point and start to vote teacher and the vote counts become:

Vote Count
Teacher2 (8): peterlund, yavuzovic, DoubtingThomas, Jamiet99uk, rdrivera2005, Foxcastle, Squigs44, flash2015
Peterlund (7): Vecna, BismarckAlive, damo666, worcej, teacher2, brainbomb, bozotheclown

Currently TEACHER2 is set to be LYNCHED
You have 27 minutes remaining

##Unvote

That's him suddenly unvoting (without any remarks nor explanation before or after for changing his vote from teacher to unvoting).

this vote effectively TIES Teacher2 (7) vs Peterlund (7)

Okay, so question here. He thought it'd be "interesting" to see what Teacher2 flips, but after people actually voted for Teacher2, he unvotes to (he explains after the lynch that it was to see "others' reactions") tie the vote... and then 20 minutes later

##Vote Peter

votes peter with, again, 0 explanation.

This is 5 min before lynch and 3 minutes after BB points out "Jamie is not voting"

Go check page 63-64. NOTHING has changed, no one has defended Teacher nor attacked Peter, but Jamie miraculously changes his votes to Peter from Teacher with 0 explanation and 5 min til lynch.

The only thing Jamie does in between the two votes is argue that I am defending Peter (which I wasn't) and that Flash is not "casting a meaningful vote" (but he unvoted to make the two wagons tie???)

[brainbomb]

Do you have a read on Jamie? This is so far removed from his town meta its actually disgusting im leading the lynch rn

[Vecna]

a
Vecna
Day-3 37:06
page 81
↑peterlund: "I was not RBed. Got no message about being RBed."
Seems mafia are still trying really hard to dodge the tracker/JOAT.

Teacher would know full well it normally is completely optimal to janitor N1 (beause for the rest of the game, town is going to be suspicious of any PR claim). Instead they appear to have chosen a completely safe approach to avoid getting caught by tracking.



This is odd. Here you imply that janitor wasnt used because of tracker/joat. But you dont deny roleblocker being used.

Are you denying roleblocker was used on me? Or that it was used at all?

Yes im stating I think scum didnt use the RB, and you made use of that fact to claim RBd to get towncred.

Teacher showed in his play he was concerced about the tracker (the claim gambit) and that he was doing statistics on stuff. I didnt do the math, but having all 4 scum do visits every night results in very high odds that 2 or so get caught in 4 nights of play.

So when I flip town, do you still think I just made it up or is it real at that point? What im asking is,does me getting actually roleblocked twice affect your thoughts on how afraid scum is to use its actions? Assume they really did, which they did, what does that tell you about roleblockers confidence level in how deeply implanted he_)she is?

Thats an interesting question actually

[DoubtingThomas]

After his change of vote to Peter,

Peterlund is probably the better choice.

EST 4:56 PM, even though Peter claimed TOWN DOC


then a minute later,

Wait Peter doc claims what?

then a minute after that,

Both are claiming town PR

just reiterating what everyone already knew like 2 minutes ago

then people start voting for Jamie because both town PR claimed, Jamie says:

I'm the Cop.

nothing, no explanation no nothing,

and disappears. Doesn't come back until an hour and 30 minutes later.


All of these activities are not just suspicious, but weird.

I can sometimes see a little bit of town in his activities, but the bulk of his actions are town un-friendly and hurts town. He's doing irresponsible shit that makes him look like scum or SK at best. His unexplained change of vote to Peter from Teacher, and claim of cop "haha it was a joke" is not good enough to let slide

After I constantly attack him, he posts his scum read in N2

Current reads:

MOST SCUM

DoubtingThomas
Foxcastle
Flash2015
rdrivera2005
Damo666
peterlund
BismarkAlive
Vecna
Brainbomb
Squigs44
Worcej
Bozo
Yavuzovic
Jamiet99uk

MOST TOWN

Puts me at most scum, but -- try to prove me wrong -- no one has put me in scum lean, let alone MOST SCUM.

He takes 5 hours to re-read the thread and come up with an explanation of why I am his top scum lead, only to say "now that I re-read, I think Thomas is town"

I would say that looking back at how hard DoubtingThomas pushed the Teacher2 lynch, that would be some really ballsy bussing, especially given the importance of the Ninja's role and the effect on the Janitor of losing the Ninja. Reflecting on that, I'm re-grading Thomas to a townlean.

Don't fucking post your reads if you didn't even re-read the thread yet

Whatever this laser shit he is pulling out of his ass is really intolerable whether or not his town, and he looks heck of a lot like SK or scum

I say lynch him because the TOWN will improve their game as a group no matter what he flips

[Vecna]

Operating in that modus operandi

It simply means scum could be exactly vecna/flash, or some combo of vecna and rivera maybe?

With them hardcore desperate to at least milk 1 more night of kp from Jamie.

You admitted I had a slam dunk case on you. Which I had even before this suspicion against Jamiet really started going.

Why would I want to abandon that when im quite sure I just have to reel it in now?

Others just arent aware quite yet that dinner's about to be served