M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

I think it unlikely 3p has rice unless they are incredibly well hidden and have been very lucky.

I think Jamie is 3p is lying and cooked this up as a chance to survive and guess the rice tonight. The last scum can hardly deny the RB claim so that is useless.

I agree with rdr's plan.

Well, you are wrong.

[rdrivera2005]

Ok. My suggestion. We need to agree on 6 people to vote Jamiet. The other 4 vote whatever they want.

We have 4 of the 6 to vote and also vote end. And the last two have to coordinate well to vote and hammer at same time.

I suggest the last two to be Damo and Snowy. The other 4, Macca, me, Kgray and HB.

Do you see other way to deal with this?

Too risky, the 3P might just jump on.

I repeat that if they have the rice, they can win today by being on my wagon.

3P can't jump in before the final votes or he will just be revealed.

The last two votes have to be in sync. If we can trust Macca to make this there is even an easy way to sync the last votes..

[Jamiet99uk]

Please describe the message regarding Maniac's post mortem items.

Which?

The original message from PE or the clarification message from Chaqa?

Both

Ok from PE I got:

During the day, you received Napkins, Cheese, Pico de Gallo, Black Beans, and Chicken. Forget a Chipotle bowl, you could have a neighborhood fiesta.

[foodcoats]

I think it unlikely 3p has rice unless they are incredibly well hidden and have been very lucky.

I think Jamie is 3p is lying and cooked this up as a chance to survive and guess the rice tonight. The last scum can hardly deny the RB claim so that is useless.

I agree with rdr's plan.

I agree, in particular the claim that he gave chicken to Maniac who must’ve given it to the other scum who then gave it back to Jamie when Jamie was also given a bunch of other 3P items… too far fetched by far.

[Jamiet99uk]

3P can't jump in before the final votes or he will just be revealed.

Yes but if there are hammers in place and their timing is good, they can jump in and it will be too late.

You won't be able to punish them the next day because the game will have ended.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think it unlikely 3p has rice unless they are incredibly well hidden and have been very lucky.

I think Jamie is 3p is lying and cooked this up as a chance to survive and guess the rice tonight. The last scum can hardly deny the RB claim so that is useless.

I agree with rdr's plan.

I agree, in particular the claim that he gave chicken to Maniac who must’ve given it to the other scum who then gave it back to Jamie when Jamie was also given a bunch of other 3P items… too far fetched by far.

I don't understand the bit in the middle. I assume I gave it to Maniac and then he just kept it. Why are you inserting this additional assumption that Maniac passed it on again?

[rdrivera2005]

3P can't jump in before the final votes or he will just be revealed.

Yes but if there are hammers in place and their timing is good, they can jump in and it will be too late.

You won't be able to punish them the next day because the game will have ended.

That's why I said the last two have to be in sync.

[TheMadMonarch]

Also, I have not had any items stolen from me overnight.

So I now have a LOT of items.

Let me tell you about them.

At the end of the last day some person (or multiple people) decided to give me a whole bucketload of items, for some reason.

Two days prior, I had given away my Chicken, to Maniac, because I was townreading him at that time. From Maniac's body at EoD I got the Chicken back, and, as well as that, some used up Corn Salsa.

I already had the Chips from Damo.

In addition at EoD I was given the Black Beans, The Pico de Gallo, the Cheese, and the Napkins. Crazy times.

So I am now in possession of all of these things:

- Chips (Duplicate)
- Corn Salsa (Tracker) USED UP
- Black Beans (Commute)
- Chicken (Double Vote)
- Pico de Gallo (Watcher) USED UP
- Cheese (Fruit Vendor)
- Napkins (Message)

The items in colour are items the 3P needs. I currently have almost a full suit of 3P items, just missing the rice.

So if either type of rice is currently held by the 3P, that means the 3P can jump on my wagon and win the game today if you make me the top wagon.

I therefore purport that killing me is very dangerous unless you can establish for sure that the 3P doesn't currently have any rice. Otherwise, hanging the 3P today, and not me, is your only safe policy.

Discuss.

Which day was this exactly?

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, while you argue about all this, I'm quite busy.

I'll just ##Vote Jamie and ##End and you can all see if you've got better timing than the Third Party.

Have fun.

[TheMadMonarch]

Ok. My suggestion. We need to agree on 6 people to vote Jamiet. The other 4 vote whatever they want.

We have 4 of the 6 to vote and also vote end. And the last two have to coordinate well to vote and hammer at same time.

I suggest the last two to be Damo and Snowy. The other 4, Macca, me, Kgray and HB.

Do you see other way to deal with this?

Too risky, the 3P might just jump on.

I repeat that if they have the rice, they can win today by being on my wagon.

3P can't jump in before the final votes or he will just be revealed.

The last two votes have to be in sync. If we can trust Macca to make this there is even an easy way to sync the last votes..

Bob is dead, so I can't guarantee the two of us being on at the same time, if that's what you were thinking.

[Jamiet99uk]

So I am now in possession of all of these things:

- Chips (Duplicate)
- Corn Salsa (Tracker) USED UP
- Black Beans (Commute)
- Chicken (Double Vote)
- Pico de Gallo (Watcher) USED UP
- Cheese (Fruit Vendor)
- Napkins (Message)

The items in colour are items the 3P needs. I currently have almost a full suit of 3P items, just missing the rice.

So if either type of rice is currently held by the 3P, that means the 3P can jump on my wagon and win the game today if you make me the top wagon.

I therefore purport that killing me is very dangerous unless you can establish for sure that the 3P doesn't currently have any rice. Otherwise, hanging the 3P today, and not me, is your only safe policy.

Discuss.

Which day was this exactly?

All the items were given to me at the end of Day 5.

[damo666]

Ok. My suggestion. We need to agree on 6 people to vote Jamiet. The other 4 vote whatever they want.

We have 4 of the 6 to vote and also vote end. And the last two have to coordinate well to vote and hammer at same time.

I suggest the last two to be Damo and Snowy. The other 4, Macca, me, Kgray and HB.

Do you see other way to deal with this?

Too risky, the 3P might just jump on.

I repeat that if they have the rice, they can win today by being on my wagon.

3P can't jump in before the final votes or he will just be revealed.

The last two votes have to be in sync. If we can trust Macca to make this there is even an easy way to sync the last votes..

Macca is already on and ended. Vecna should get off.

[TheMadMonarch]

So I am now in possession of all of these things:

- Chips (Duplicate)
- Corn Salsa (Tracker) USED UP
- Black Beans (Commute)
- Chicken (Double Vote)
- Pico de Gallo (Watcher) USED UP
- Cheese (Fruit Vendor)
- Napkins (Message)

The items in colour are items the 3P needs. I currently have almost a full suit of 3P items, just missing the rice.

So if either type of rice is currently held by the 3P, that means the 3P can jump on my wagon and win the game today if you make me the top wagon.

I therefore purport that killing me is very dangerous unless you can establish for sure that the 3P doesn't currently have any rice. Otherwise, hanging the 3P today, and not me, is your only safe policy.

Discuss.

Which day was this exactly?

All the items were given to me at the end of Day 5.

I was referring to the bolded text. When did you give maniac the chicken?

[Jamiet99uk]

When did you give maniac the chicken?

Day 3.

[damo666]

@rdr snowy already on and ended.

We wait for HB to get on and end and Vecna to get off then we can simulend.

[damo666]

@Jamie I want you to exactly quote the message you got required the items you inherited from dead Chaqa.

[TheMadMonarch]

@Jamie I want you to exactly quote the message you got required the items you inherited from dead Chaqa.

Watch the rules damo...

[Vecna]

I still feel the need to ask this, since people keep ignoring me;

How are Rdr and Macca cleared of being 3P with gun that got their item off of ghug?

[damo666]

If we assume 3p doesn't have rice it hardly matters whether rice moves today or not if not declared. So, in order to allow anytime ending

DO NOT DECLARE RICE AND IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT DO SO PRONTO THOUGH IT IS NOT ESSENTIAL

Also we are over worrying about 3p being on Jamie wagon because

a) Jamie is 3p (his self end vote is bluffing I hope)
b) Even if they are they still have to guess right

##vote Vecna until he removes himself. I will then return to Jamie.

[TheMadMonarch]

I'm going to call BS on the chicken pass. Jamie did not townread Maniac D3. He has a scumread D2 which is brought up a couple of times. He doesn't mention him at all D3 or even N3. A pass to Maniac would come out of nowhere. Either he didn't do it, or they're scumbuddies.