M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

I'm willing to take that risk because
1) I dontbthink he is 3p anyway and
2) if he is and exposes himself by jumping on a Jame wagon (or you or kgray or HamB) the probability is he guesses wrong and we simply dk tomorrow

I think you are incorrect and Vecna is the 3P, and there is little risk in DKing him today since he has no items.

[damo666]

@Bozo suppose Jamie is 3p. Can we afford to let him live?

[damo666]

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

I'm willing to take that risk because
1) I dontbthink he is 3p anyway and
2) if he is and exposes himself by jumping on a Jame wagon (or you or kgray or HamB) the probability is he guesses wrong and we simply dk tomorrow

I think you are incorrect and Vecna is the 3P, and there is little risk in DKing him today since he has no items.

The risk is 3p Jamie wins. No?

[Vecna]

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

Why do you only apply this logic to me?

You havent done anything at all to try and rule out any of the other people. None of your mechanical wizardry to solve the puzzle.

The last 3 days have been you saying "if this is what happened, Vecna is the largest threat".

It is NOT what happened.

You are allowing fear of me somehow pulling the largest master-heist in history to cloud every bit of common sense id expect you to have.

No other 3P possibility would expect to have the Hot Salsa used against them N5 and therefore would have no reason to give away their 3P need items to Jamie with the intention of getting them back D6.

Then there is this:

The way I see the current gamestate:

Jamiet is either the last scum or 3P. He's been hiding behind itemclaims all game long, and its prevented us from killing him twice now. I honestly dont really care what he has to say, since its not going to be in our best interest, but his.

In the absolute worst case scenario, 3P has 5/6 items (I think this is possible by now, right?) but is still chasing after the doc item. Worst case scenario, Jamiet doesnt flip 3P, but then the actual 3P still has to take like a 1/7 gamble on who has the item he's guessing for. Killing jamiet can never result in the 3P getting all his items. It can result in us either eliminating mafia and their NK/rb, or we just win outright by nabbing the 3P.

Lets just get this over with

##vote jamiet

id actually think itd hilarious to have jamiet wake up to find himself already hammered.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe jamiet is lying? Stalling for time?

If scum managed to get the required items on him, all he needs is for 3P to steal the last item in town hands.

Then we can effectively not daykill him untill the 3P is dealt with, because it instantly hands the win to the 3P.

If he is 3P himself, he uses this to make us fear killing him so he can win in the meantime.

Its exactly as snowy said, youre trying to not loose this game, while we should be focusing on winning it.

[bozotheclown]

in fact, its almost like youre instructing jamiet what to claim here to make me look bad

Why would I do that? Do you think I am the 3P somehow conspiring with Jamie to get you DKed?

I think what Jamie is claiming is already clear, but we will know more when he makes a specific claim.

[bozotheclown]

Survival is more important to 3p right now rather than item collection. Remember this.

I wish Jamie would wake up.

I think the biggest risk to survival is DKing Jamie.

[Vecna]

I bet in the scenario youre now afraid of, I probably couldve just won last night with the salsa in my possession.

If that was true, I think you would have won last night. Maybe you still needed the DV and another item, and was hoping Jamie was still holding onto the DV.

Whatever items the 3P doesnt have, the last scum must have no?

Salsa jamiet and steal the white/brown rice is a potential win right there.

This scenario youre suggesting is infuriating. How would anyone in their right mind ever hand their wincon to Jamiet? You ever known him to be able to keep quiet about anything?

If were applying that level of nonsense-thinking, absolutely noone in this game is clear, and the current situation becomes untenable.

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo suppose Jamie is 3p. Can we afford to let him live?

Lets see what he says, but I do not think he is the 3P. If he is, he won't get any item from a Vecna DK. I think the only way he would have a chance to win N6 as 3P is if a non-3P player gave him 3P needed items.

[Vecna]

in fact, its almost like youre instructing jamiet what to claim here to make me look bad

Why would I do that? Do you think I am the 3P somehow conspiring with Jamie to get you DKed?

I think what Jamie is claiming is already clear, but we will know more when he makes a specific claim.

I dont know what youre upto man, but your vote is on ME

[damo666]

Survival is more important to 3p right now rather than item collection. Remember this.

I wish Jamie would wake up.

I think the biggest risk to survival is DKing Jamie.

Survival of the 3p

[damo666]

Does Jamie have a hangover or is he lurking?

[damo666]

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

I'm willing to take that risk because
1) I dontbthink he is 3p anyway and
2) if he is and exposes himself by jumping on a Jame wagon (or you or kgray or HamB) the probability is he guesses wrong and we simply dk tomorrow

or food

[Vecna]

@Bozo suppose Jamie is 3p. Can we afford to let him live?

Lets see what he says, but I do not think he is the 3P. If he is, he won't get any item from a Vecna DK. I think the only way he would have a chance to win N6 as 3P is if a non-3P player gave him 3P needed items.

Its almost like you fail to see that as soon as town loses control over the brown or white rice, its likely game over. 3P has like a 1 in 5-8 depending on how smart/dumb the people are passing it along of achieving that every night.

mafia/3p control all other items unless jamiet did pass the chicken, but noone has made mention of that yet, while it would be safe to do so.

[bozotheclown]

Why do you only apply this logic to me?

You havent done anything at all to try and rule out any of the other people. None of your mechanical wizardry to solve the puzzle.

The last 3 days have been you saying "if this is what happened, Vecna is the largest threat".

It is NOT what happened.

You are allowing fear of me somehow pulling the largest master-heist in history to cloud every bit of common sense id expect you to have.

No other 3P possibility would expect to have the Hot Salsa used against them N5 and therefore would have no reason to give away their 3P need items to Jamie with the intention of getting them back D6.

Then there is this:

The way I see the current gamestate:

Jamiet is either the last scum or 3P. He's been hiding behind itemclaims all game long, and its prevented us from killing him twice now. I honestly dont really care what he has to say, since its not going to be in our best interest, but his.

In the absolute worst case scenario, 3P has 5/6 items (I think this is possible by now, right?) but is still chasing after the doc item. Worst case scenario, Jamiet doesnt flip 3P, but then the actual 3P still has to take like a 1/7 gamble on who has the item he's guessing for. Killing jamiet can never result in the 3P getting all his items. It can result in us either eliminating mafia and their NK/rb, or we just win outright by nabbing the 3P.

Lets just get this over with

##vote jamiet

id actually think itd hilarious to have jamiet wake up to find himself already hammered.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe jamiet is lying? Stalling for time?

If scum managed to get the required items on him, all he needs is for 3P to steal the last item in town hands.

Then we can effectively not daykill him untill the 3P is dealt with, because it instantly hands the win to the 3P.

If he is 3P himself, he uses this to make us fear killing him so he can win in the meantime.

Its exactly as snowy said, youre trying to not loose this game, while we should be focusing on winning it.

We need to not lose the game to the 3P first, then we can win the game by DKing the last mafia.

The only reason I can see for Jamie to make the claims he did as 3P is if he anticipated it could set you up as the consensus Hot Salsa target, but I don't think that is very likely.

[Vecna]

Why is jamiet not 3P that just received the 3P items off the maniac wagon?

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo suppose Jamie is 3p. Can we afford to let him live?

Lets see what he says, but I do not think he is the 3P. If he is, he won't get any item from a Vecna DK. I think the only way he would have a chance to win N6 as 3P is if a non-3P player gave him 3P needed items.

Its almost like you fail to see that as soon as town loses control over the brown or white rice, its likely game over. 3P has like a 1 in 5-8 depending on how smart/dumb the people are passing it along of achieving that every night.

mafia/3p control all other items unless jamiet did pass the chicken, but noone has made mention of that yet, while it would be safe to do so.

That is why we need to DK the 3P as soon as possible.

[Vecna]

Yet youre voting me

[bozotheclown]

Why is jamiet not 3P that just received the 3P items off the maniac wagon?

I don't know why he would claim that, but I do want to know what Jamie is going to say. Depending on what he says, it may clear you of being the 3P.

[bozotheclown]

Yet youre voting me

I think you are the 3P.

[Vecna]

If you really thought what youre insinuating already at EoD and throughout the night, why didnt you use the salsa on foodcoats to clear him?

You effectively wasted it with how youre tunneling on me now.