M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[TheMadMonarch]

Hello. Just got to read up from page 244, give me a moment.

I see we appear to be No-Killing. What happened to the Foodcoats plan?

I assume I will find out as I read.

we're not, I don't think either of those are happening anymore. The no-kill is just people who aren't allowed on the main wagon. They should be self voting.

[Jamiet99uk]

Being a 3-P item and with the possibility of being stolen or Mafia taken the right use is to use it early and then keep passing away to force 3-P into a guessing game. I think Ghug is smart enough to see this.

You know the 3P doesn't just visit someone and scoop up any items they're holding, right?

To steal an item the 3P has to pick a person and successfully guess which item they are holding.

The chances of the 3P successfully guessing Ghug's item on N1, and for some reason making that item a priority for them to steal, is surely very small.

I think Ghug is smart enough to see this.

Besides the possibility that the 3P checked ghug's item D1, for ghug to not use the commute D1, he would be counting on surviving N1 unprotected and still having the commute to use N3.

Why N3?

Why not N2?

[snowy801]

Well, technically not clearing them of being 3P. But if we do know where it wound up, and miss every other shot we take at 3P, we'll know eventually who it is, if we haven't lost by that point.

Anyone not mechanically cleared not passing a 3P item around should be instantly day killed by town, no questions asked

Well yes, but a 3P would do the same in hopes of not, you know, being outed as 3P.

My point is that as chicken can only go to 3P, eventually if we determine that our original suspects were all wrong, then it can only be that other person who originally received chicken, even if they pass it around.

[Jamiet99uk]

I will stop any end hammer attempts. Go do what you need to.

Save your loyal sheep, snowy. Granted I went off and scum/3Pd you for a while but recall that sheep cannot read.

I don't think snowy is clear of being the 3P. He could have given away a doctor item playing the long game, knowing he would get one back.

Aha that's an interesting viewpoint.

[Hamilton Brian]

##Vote Hamilton Brian

[TheMadMonarch]

Visualization!

For those of you who like data summaries.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... nknown.png

This graphic has Jamie in support of killing himself?

[Jamiet99uk]

Save your loyal sheep, snowy. Granted I went off and scum/3Pd you for a while but recall that sheep cannot read.

I don't think snowy is clear of being the 3P. He could have given away a doctor item playing the long game, knowing he would get one back.

Didn’t damo docsave him from the NK? Damo’d have to be lying too if snowy isn’t town.

Did we establish that if the doc happened to protect the 3P while the 3P was attacked, the doc would or would not get a message?

[Jamiet99uk]

Visualization!

For those of you who like data summaries.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... nknown.png

This graphic has Jamie in support of killing himself?

Whattt?

I am 100% not in favour of my own death, don't be silly.

Snowy's table must be wrong.

[snowy801]

Visualization!

For those of you who like data summaries.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... nknown.png

This graphic has Jamie in support of killing himself?

Oh whoops, I forgot to move the X's while it sorted.
Hell, let me just get rid of the X's it's meaningless.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... nknown.png

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't think snowy is clear of being the 3P. He could have given away a doctor item playing the long game, knowing he would get one back.

Didn’t damo docsave him from the NK? Damo’d have to be lying too if snowy isn’t town.

I think there was a GM ruling that the save would take precedence over being 3P safe.

Ah ok that's the answer I was looking for. So indeed Snowy is not clear.

[TheMadMonarch]

Visualization!

For those of you who like data summaries.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... nknown.png

This graphic has Jamie in support of killing himself?

Whattt?

I am 100% not in favour of my own death, don't be silly.

Snowy's table must be wrong.

It's the black crosses. Taking another look, it also says food wants to kill food.

@Snowy, I don't think the crosses moved when you sorted. You might want to fix that.

[snowy801]

It's the black crosses. Taking another look, it also says food wants to kill food.

@Snowy, I don't think the crosses moved when you sorted. You might want to fix that.

I have! Thanks for the tip off. Check out my later post.

[snowy801]

I still want to remind Hamilton Brian that bozo is scum cleared due to cop scan, as he has bozo on his scum suspicion.

I also want to ask if Macca wants to change their mind about HB being 3P, for similar reasons of him having been Hot Salsa'd but only losing his original claim item of Corn Salsa.

[Jamiet99uk]

Yes, we decided we'd have the same mutual scumread and would vote him together, by ourselves, while being wishy-washy about scumreading each other. Top strats.

She admits it! Ladies and gentlemen, we got them. Easy game.

##Vote Brainbomb

[TheMadMonarch]

I still want to remind Hamilton Brian that bozo is scum cleared due to cop scan, as he has bozo on his scum suspicion.

I also want to ask if Macca wants to change their mind about HB being 3P, for similar reasons of him having been Hot Salsa'd but only losing his original claim item of Corn Salsa.

yes. I would like to change. Let me work out who...

[Jamiet99uk]

##GM Note:
For the rest of this day phase, please send all PMs to Eden as well. He will be handling EoD tomorrow.

What happened to your co-GM, EMC?

[snowy801]

What happened to your co-GM, EMC?

Even as a GM he's lurking, oh boy.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Nokill

I’m guessing me, Vecna and Maniac should all be off wagon here.

You three, HB should be off simply on account of him not having a vote (is he 3P? Less than 0.01% but that's better than 0%, so no point having him vote), as well as bozo.

The voters:
snowy
damo
rdrivera
Kgray
Macca
Jamiet

Oh I'm allowed to vote now?

I thought I was asked not to vote the main wagon because you were tinfoiling that I was the 3P or something?

[Jamiet99uk]

So I guess I'm back to ##Vote Foodcoats.

See you all in a while.

[foodcoats]

I know this will sound dangerous to people, but im still advocating for voting jamiet today, while we know he still has the chicken.

Not because I think he is the 3P really (small small chance only), but because it serves two purposes:

It either confirms the 3P is in the group of 3 were leaving off, or it shows a critical error in our thinking that if proven will cost us the game if we do not kill Jamiet today. By this I mean; if noone on that wagon claims the chicken afterwards, we know we've been wrong on our 3P assumptions and we can actually CLEAR maniac/me/foodcoats off it. Which would be huge.

If it goes as expected and someone claims the chicken, we still have a big win, since we likely killed scum, and it confirms that either foodcoats or maniac is the 3P (see what I did there).

The risky side for all of you, which I know is not really a threat right now, but people are going to be scared of it ofcourse, is that I do a classic vecna if im the 3P and try to swoop the chicken for a small chance to win tonight. This would ofcourse only work if Jamiet is not actually the roleblocker.

Up to y'all if you wanna take that risk. If it works and I clear myself with the item tonight, or let someone else do it, that would confirm the 3P to a very small group of people tomorrow.

I can’t help but feel this is 3P!Vecna telling us exactly what he intends to do because if we don’t flip 3P today he’ll be on the block tomorrow (potentially), so he needs to win tonight.

Given the beans, napkins, and pico de gallo aren’t accounted for, the cheese is stolen, and Vecna may have been given rice as he’s seemed townclear, it seems possible he’s quite close. I may be missing something there though as I have not been following all the trades…

In any event this makes it seem like Maniac is a better kill today to prevent a 3P!Vecna swoop.