M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

(see none of this would've happened if you just god damned told me what your item is earlier)

I wanted to see if anyone would reach the same conclusion independently and without the final bit of information.

I was thinking last night you have an item but I didn’t think it was the one snowy seems to think it is. Hmm.

[Jamiet99uk]

To point out what I was doing D3 EOD, I was trying to make Macca a viable DK after he declared his 3P item to see if the 3P would get on the wagon, and Vecna did get on the wagon when a Macca DK looked possible, but moved back to no-kill when it was obvious a Macca DK was not going to happen. There was no reason for Vecna to move back to no-kill there if he was really interested in a Macca DK, except for appearances.

I’m still catching up but damn this is the bozo I came here to sheep.

You are in Bozo's scum-pool so that's interesting.

[foodcoats]

@bozo if scum have replenish and steak, why haven't I been murdered?

Did damo use it before giving it away? I forget if he did.

Sorry… why do we think scum has the gun? I was thinking 3P lucksacked into it… the letter bozo got interacting with the gunshot weirdly suggested they were held by different people. Perhaps too much a coincidence that ghug was the subject of both, though… but if ghug did have beans, and Vecna shot him, that is what allowed 3P! Vecna to dispense with his other beans.

[foodcoats]

It also helps us sort your frame of mind and whether its been operating in a pro-town fashion.

Given Bobs death, Damos insistence on not saving bob but himself and snowy, and snowies recent questioning of you, the answer seems to be evident.

Given your tunnel for 3P, I dont think youre overly concerned for mafia, and I dont think anyone is or should be atm.

I think the mafia are already narrowed down to a small pool, but the 3P needs to be identified. If you are not the 3P, do you agree that Maniac is a good possibility?

Yes, but I still think its foodcoats.

Check how he inserted himself onto the HB wagon after being specifically told not to, since youre so fond of looking at the voting

Tom wagon?

I did it with one minute to go. I was being polite.

[Jamiet99uk]

@bozo if scum have replenish and steak, why haven't I been murdered?

Did damo use it before giving it away? I forget if he did.

Sorry… why do we think scum has the gun? I was thinking 3P lucksacked into it… the letter bozo got interacting with the gunshot weirdly suggested they were held by different people. Perhaps too much a coincidence that ghug was the subject of both, though… but if ghug did have beans, and Vecna shot him, that is what allowed 3P! Vecna to dispense with his other beans.

Well Bozo's theory was that scum sent him the napkin message, and then shot Ghug.

I didn't think it was a very good theory when Bozo suggested it.

[foodcoats]

So it is the BP youre claiming right?

Why did you never give it to snowy/damo/bob?

Why did you assume I did not have the watcher item?

This was my guess because not revealing Watcher uses is valuable while Jamie holds chicken. I was trying to understand why snowy and Vecna are assuming other items.

[Jamiet99uk]

Tom wagon?

I did it with one minute to go. I was being polite.

The timing is irrelevant if you're the 3P getting on the wagon in order to obtain an item.

[foodcoats]

It could only have gone to celaph or ghug if it was not a 3P required item, and they would have had to keep that information hidden.

There are other possibilities, but I think the most likely possibility is that you or Maniac received a 3P item from Bonatogether.

it could have also been a 3P item if the 3P was not on the wagon

If celaph or ghug had randomly received a 3P needed item from Bonatogether D1, it would have cleared 7 other players from being the 3P, there is no way they would not have reported it. That means one of you, Maniac, and kgray would have to be mafia.

I’m on mobile but celaph made an N1 post where he highlighted the mechanics and it looked like maaaaaaybe he was softing he received a non 3P item. But it’s a stretch.

[Vecna]

Also, the obvious logic about what happened is this;

Scum hit Commuting Ghug N2. Then shot him with the loaded gun D3 since they didnt wanna deal with him being all smug and towncleared and the like.

This is why TomB was sad for being caught for the wrong reasons, and tried to spin it in a different way as to them hitting the 3P.

This also completely invalidates Bozo's theory.

(and Snowy, the fact you were actually believing it is fucking cringe)

This need Ghug not commuting D1. You are better then this.

Why is that so weird? Ghug never gets killed early by scum.

Its not like the commuter item has a lot of risk of doing damage in the wrong hands.

[Vecna]

It would be very helpful to know current whereabouts of all the 3p items. Please declare if you have any, you can give it away.

White rice - Damo to snowy to damo
Brown Rice - Macca to Bob to ?
Black Beans - ?
Pinto Beans - Vecna to Bob to donee/scum
Pico - ?
Chicken - Jamie
Napkins - ?

Filling in gaps is useful. This is current position before today's swaparound

bob sent the pinto beans back to me.

[Vecna]

The Bozo vote was a joke, however...




Reading through, Bozo had me totally convinced that Vecna was 3p. Then Vecna got on and convinced me it was Bozo. I don't see why snowy thinks it's Maniac.

I had a townread on Vecna early, and not bozo. For this reason, I will leave my vote where it is for now.

I no longer think its bozo

[Vecna]

It would be very helpful to know current whereabouts of all the 3p items. Please declare if you have any, you can give it away.

White rice - Damo to snowy to damo
Brown Rice - Macca to Bob to ?
Black Beans - ?
Pinto Beans - Vecna to Bob to donee/scum
Pico - ?
Chicken - Jamie
Napkins - ?

Filling in gaps is useful. This is current position before today's swaparound

I'm pretty sure Bob said he's toss the rice after claiming he had it. Considering you don't know where it is (I don't have it either), I assume he gave it to Snowy.

Snowy has made it plenty clear he had it yeah

[rdrivera2005]

Also, the obvious logic about what happened is this;

Scum hit Commuting Ghug N2. Then shot him with the loaded gun D3 since they didnt wanna deal with him being all smug and towncleared and the like.

This is why TomB was sad for being caught for the wrong reasons, and tried to spin it in a different way as to them hitting the 3P.

This also completely invalidates Bozo's theory.

(and Snowy, the fact you were actually believing it is fucking cringe)

This need Ghug not commuting D1. You are better then this.

Why are you behaving as if it is 100% certain that Ghug with a limited-shot commuter power would always commute N1?

I don't think that's a certainty, at all.

You are better than this.

Being a 3-P item and with the possibility of being stolen or Mafia taken the right use is to use it early and then keep passing away to force 3-P into a guessing game. I think Ghug is smart enough to see this.

[Vecna]

To point out what I was doing D3 EOD, I was trying to make Macca a viable DK after he declared his 3P item to see if the 3P would get on the wagon, and Vecna did get on the wagon when a Macca DK looked possible, but moved back to no-kill when it was obvious a Macca DK was not going to happen. There was no reason for Vecna to move back to no-kill there if he was really interested in a Macca DK, except for appearances.

I’m still catching up but damn this is the bozo I came here to sheep.

The fact youre just taking this as gospel just once again shows youre just willing to follow anything at this point.

Bozo claims he did it to trap the 3p and says I took the bait. Yet I was telling people to kill Macca way before he even did that, and way before he did that was I voting there.

Bozo said I had no reason to change back to vote no kill. This is complete bullshit, since i had already told snowy I would likely do so, but more important it was 5 for no kill and 4 votes for snowy. There was no way in hell I was gonna risk snowy getting hammered there. A possibility made possible by....who?

Bozo. He put snowy there on 4v5 and in the risk zone.

This is exactly the type of post of a person that just knows that Bozo is town and is looking for easy reasons to now suddenly townread them.

This was absolutely not the post to townread Bozo over.

[Vecna]

##vote Foodcoats

[Vecna]

it could have also been a 3P item if the 3P was not on the wagon

If celaph or ghug had randomly received a 3P needed item from Bonatogether D1, it would have cleared 7 other players from being the 3P, there is no way they would not have reported it. That means one of you, Maniac, and kgray would have to be mafia.

I’m on mobile but celaph made an N1 post where he highlighted the mechanics and it looked like maaaaaaybe he was softing he received a non 3P item. But it’s a stretch.

quoting the post below. Could you please explain how that one post he made would indicate it?

So why did everyone flash onto Bona exactly?

Assuming you're talking about the votes in the last minute...

When a player is day-killed, their item(s) are distributed at random to someone on the wagon. If the day-killed person possessed any of Chaqa’s goal items, he will receive them if he is on the wagon.

As for the other votes, I'm not entirely sure. Will give more thought and analysis later.

[Maniac]

Also, the obvious logic about what happened is this;

Scum hit Commuting Ghug N2. Then shot him with the loaded gun D3 since they didnt wanna deal with him being all smug and towncleared and the like.

This is why TomB was sad for being caught for the wrong reasons, and tried to spin it in a different way as to them hitting the 3P.

This also completely invalidates Bozo's theory.

(and Snowy, the fact you were actually believing it is fucking cringe)

Is this the same Tom that assured us that HamB was 3P or BulletProof? I don’t buy that he was sad or caught by happenstance. I think you roleblocked him and for some reason he (or scum team) thought it was a good idea for GF to carry out the NK.

There is a not-zero chance scum knew they were going to go down to 2 players and wanted to clear HB by throwing shade on him. We’ve helped them with that clearing him of being 3P. It would be a great Mafia move, but we shouldn’t discount it. HamB shouldn’t be today’s kill.

Whilst I’m voting Foodcoats, I’m quite happy to step away from any kill. Only clears should be DK people now.

[rdrivera2005]

Also, the obvious logic about what happened is this;

Scum hit Commuting Ghug N2. Then shot him with the loaded gun D3 since they didnt wanna deal with him being all smug and towncleared and the like.

This is why TomB was sad for being caught for the wrong reasons, and tried to spin it in a different way as to them hitting the 3P.

This also completely invalidates Bozo's theory.

(and Snowy, the fact you were actually believing it is fucking cringe)

This need Ghug not commuting D1. You are better then this.

Why is that so weird? Ghug never gets killed early by scum.

Its not like the commuter item has a lot of risk of doing damage in the wrong hands.

It's a 3-P item. If you hold it too long it can be stolen or you get killed and . Use it early and pass away to make harder to 3-P to guess and in this case it also clears yourself as it's a town only item.
The second part is why I was so pissed with myself not using Guac N2. If I used I would have been lock town. I am pretty sure Ghug can see this is the best way to play this item and would use it N1 and N2. That's why I bet on Bona having it and 3-P took it. And then it's Maniac and you the most likely to be 3-P.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why are you behaving as if it is 100% certain that Ghug with a limited-shot commuter power would always commute N1?

I don't think that's a certainty, at all.

You are better than this.

Being a 3-P item and with the possibility of being stolen or Mafia taken the right use is to use it early and then keep passing away to force 3-P into a guessing game. I think Ghug is smart enough to see this.

You know the 3P doesn't just visit someone and scoop up any items they're holding, right?

To steal an item the 3P has to pick a person and successfully guess which item they are holding.

The chances of the 3P successfully guessing Ghug's item on N1, and for some reason making that item a priority for them to steal, is surely very small.

I think Ghug is smart enough to see this.

[Vecna]

Why are you behaving as if it is 100% certain that Ghug with a limited-shot commuter power would always commute N1?

I don't think that's a certainty, at all.

You are better than this.

Being a 3-P item and with the possibility of being stolen or Mafia taken the right use is to use it early and then keep passing away to force 3-P into a guessing game. I think Ghug is smart enough to see this.

You know the 3P doesn't just visit someone and scoop up any items they're holding, right?

To steal an item the 3P has to pick a person and successfully guess which item they are holding.

The chances of the 3P successfully guessing Ghug's item on N1, and for some reason making that item a priority for them to steal, is surely very small.

I think Ghug is smart enough to see this.

Are you seriously pretending youre unaware the 3P has a day ability?