M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Another thing I was thinking about is how I guess I could claim I did not receive an item from Tom.

Then I realized that probably no one got an item from Tom because Tom had D3 to pass his items.

Then I realized Macca might’ve saved Tom D3.

As much as a I’ve been towning Macca, Macca is very sly as scum. In the last game where Macca was scum with kgray, celaph, chaqa and demonrhk, Macca manipulated their hide/show status on the forum to give a false sense of authenticity, and deliberately lurked when we attempted to have them modkilled for lack of vote.

So Macca could certainly play as they have as scum. I guess they go back in my pool.

Yeah, this was the argument I was making on that very day, but people werent interested.

I told you this suspicion would appear again, and we just had to kill macca that day....

[rdrivera2005]

Good thinking. However, still don't think he should be 2m's kill as even if he is 3p he is nowhere near his wincon (unless he is lying about corn salsa, stole cheese, shot a 3p item ghug and somebody gifted him a 3p item - only 1 of these is likely imo so he is not of immediate concern, he can be killed day 6 if 3p not dk'd D5. I think if we kill in the Jamie Bozo Maniac Food pool we have a more than 50% chance of a scumkill.

I believe 3-P shot Ghug to take his item and he also stole Cheese from Brain, so at least this two itens where in 3-P hands. I also believe Black Beans is on 3-P hands as no one claimed it and at this point there is no reason for a town to not claim it and pass away. Also, Napkins could be on 3-P hands, so we might need to catch 3-P sooner then D6.

What makes you say 3P over mafia on these 2 items? Or just one of the few townies that hasnt claimed yet though?

(regardless, prioritizing the 3P is obviously needed).

I think Ghug has the commute (Black Beans). It's an hypothesis as if 3P tried to steal it and can't because he is away this would force 3P to shoot him before he can pass the item.
Also, nobody claimed an item steal on N2.

But it can also be with someone that didn't claim yet or with Bona (Celaph I don't believe as he would probably have used it N1).

Napkin is just a possibility as it could have started with 3P but it could be with scum too.

[snowy801]

I think Ghug has the commute (Black Beans). It's an hypothesis as if 3P tried to steal it and can't because he is away this would force 3P to shoot him before he can pass the item.
Also, nobody claimed an item steal on N2.

But it can also be with someone that didn't claim yet or with Bona (Celaph I don't believe as he would probably have used it N1).

Napkin is just a possibility as it could have started with 3P but it could be with scum too.

Sure makes a hell of a lot more sense than my ghug self claimed scum to Bozo on a napkin as town theory.

But I'm partial to my own idea, as it makes ghug look like a looney.

[snowy801]

Wait a minute, Maniac is fucking 3P!

I'd answer this but I don't know what it means. Is there a word missing

is it supposed to be...

(a) Wait a minute, Maniac is THE fucking 3P!
(b) Wait a minute, Maniac is fucking THE 3P!
(c) Wait a minute, Maniac is fucking WITH THE 3P!
(d) Wait a minute, Maniac is fucking handsome!

Three of the above are incorrect.

Seriously though, why do you suspect me of being the 3P?

Wait, is Maniac confessing? We know for sure (d) is false, so one of (a) - (c) must be true.

[snowy801]

@snowy

I remember you saying you were suspicious of how Jamie was slow to move to Kak on D2. Were there specific posts that pinged you?

When I look at it, both Jamie and bozo made “protests” - Jamie said he’d go to Kak if everyone else did, and bozo said he preferred lfischl.

What do you think of how those two acted then in retrospect? My instinct when I look at that EOD now is that the whole Kak wagon may likely have been town and scum!bozo was hoping to save Kak.

Consider the context.

Jamiet has two votes, yes?
I am saying I will vote Kaka.
lfischl (Jamiet's CW and thus a natural Jamiet voter) is saying they will vote Kaka

This is 4 votes.

At 32 minutes damo (based man) votes Kaka. This is 5 votes. I emphasize this with my vote at 0:19.

Jamiet at 0:16 from end, 16 minutes after damo's vote., saying

Actual vote is currently:

Jamie - 6
Lfischl - 5

Despite saying he thinks Kaka's justification on him is real shitty and he also has no real reason to scum read lfischl, he does not move his vote. He continues to make excuses. I felt it in real time, as I was the one trying to make this shift happen.

Jamie vote for kak. I not enough follow we can go back to fish.

I will go there if others indicate that they will.

He does not wish to impart momentum to this wagon. He wants lfischl to be voted out, while coming out like he didn't want to.

At 0:13 Vecna joins the vote.

5 (4, without lfischl) - Jamiet
5 (3, without Jamiet) - lfischl
3 (6, with lfischl and Jamiet) - Kakarroto

At 0:11 lfischl joins the vote, and Jamiet's hand is tied.

0:09 Jamiet finally switches votes.

I don't know, it seems just obvious to me I don't know what you guys don't see wrong about this. Did I mention two scum consecutively pushed up Jamiet's wagon from 4 - 2 - 2 to 6 - 2 - 2. On a townie? 3 hours out? No, that was a bus.

I also repeat: if there was reason to scum read Jamiet before a weird wagon happens, those reasons continue to exist after the weird wagon.

[snowy801]

Additional context:

The alternative he was given to sticking to lfischl (probably town let's be real here) and scum Kaka was scum worcej.

[bozotheclown]

I believe 3-P shot Ghug to take his item and he also stole Cheese from Brain, so at least this two itens where in 3-P hands. I also believe Black Beans is on 3-P hands as no one claimed it and at this point there is no reason for a town to not claim it and pass away. Also, Napkins could be on 3-P hands, so we might need to catch 3-P sooner then D6.

What makes you say 3P over mafia on these 2 items? Or just one of the few townies that hasnt claimed yet though?

(regardless, prioritizing the 3P is obviously needed).

I think Ghug has the commute (Black Beans). It's an hypothesis as if 3P tried to steal it and can't because he is away this would force 3P to shoot him before he can pass the item.
Also, nobody claimed an item steal on N2.

But it can also be with someone that didn't claim yet or with Bona (Celaph I don't believe as he would probably have used it N1).

Napkin is just a possibility as it could have started with 3P but it could be with scum too.

For ghug to have the commute item, he would have had to not commute N1, which I think is unlikely.

[snowy801]

For ghug to have the commute item, he would have had to not commute N1, which I think is unlikely.

Oh wait yeah this is why I originally concluded he didn't have the commute.

rdrivera stop confusing me please. I need to stop believing everything you say as gospel truth.

Thanks for the clarification bozo.

[bozotheclown]

I think Ghug has the commute (Black Beans). It's an hypothesis as if 3P tried to steal it and can't because he is away this would force 3P to shoot him before he can pass the item.
Also, nobody claimed an item steal on N2.

But it can also be with someone that didn't claim yet or with Bona (Celaph I don't believe as he would probably have used it N1).

Napkin is just a possibility as it could have started with 3P but it could be with scum too.

Sure makes a hell of a lot more sense than my ghug self claimed scum to Bozo on a napkin as town theory.

But I'm partial to my own idea, as it makes ghug look like a looney.

Don't you think ghug would have used the commute N1?

[foodcoats]

Another thing I was thinking about is how I guess I could claim I did not receive an item from Tom.

Then I realized that probably no one got an item from Tom because Tom had D3 to pass his items.

Then I realized Macca might’ve saved Tom D3.

As much as a I’ve been towning Macca, Macca is very sly as scum. In the last game where Macca was scum with kgray, celaph, chaqa and demonrhk, Macca manipulated their hide/show status on the forum to give a false sense of authenticity, and deliberately lurked when we attempted to have them modkilled for lack of vote.

So Macca could certainly play as they have as scum. I guess they go back in my pool.

Yeah, this was the argument I was making on that very day, but people werent interested.

I told you this suspicion would appear again, and we just had to kill macca that day....

I’ve gone on to think that Macca would not be scum giving Bob loaded rice.

[rdrivera2005]

@Snowy - I wasn't around at this EOD. Why you say his hand are tied with the voting being 4Kak, 4Jam and 5lfischl?

[foodcoats]

@snowy

I remember you saying you were suspicious of how Jamie was slow to move to Kak on D2. Were there specific posts that pinged you?

When I look at it, both Jamie and bozo made “protests” - Jamie said he’d go to Kak if everyone else did, and bozo said he preferred lfischl.

What do you think of how those two acted then in retrospect? My instinct when I look at that EOD now is that the whole Kak wagon may likely have been town and scum!bozo was hoping to save Kak.

Consider the context.

Jamiet has two votes, yes?
I am saying I will vote Kaka.
lfischl (Jamiet's CW and thus a natural Jamiet voter) is saying they will vote Kaka

This is 4 votes.

At 32 minutes damo (based man) votes Kaka. This is 5 votes. I emphasize this with my vote at 0:19.

Jamiet at 0:16 from end, 16 minutes after damo's vote., saying

Actual vote is currently:

Jamie - 6
Lfischl - 5

Despite saying he thinks Kaka's justification on him is real shitty and he also has no real reason to scum read lfischl, he does not move his vote. He continues to make excuses. I felt it in real time, as I was the one trying to make this shift happen.

Jamie vote for kak. I not enough follow we can go back to fish.

I will go there if others indicate that they will.

He does not wish to impart momentum to this wagon. He wants lfischl to be voted out, while coming out like he didn't want to.

At 0:13 Vecna joins the vote.

5 (4, without lfischl) - Jamiet
5 (3, without Jamiet) - lfischl
3 (6, with lfischl and Jamiet) - Kakarroto

At 0:11 lfischl joins the vote, and Jamiet's hand is tied.

0:09 Jamiet finally switches votes.

I don't know, it seems just obvious to me I don't know what you guys don't see wrong about this. Did I mention two scum consecutively pushed up Jamiet's wagon from 4 - 2 - 2 to 6 - 2 - 2. On a townie? 3 hours out? No, that was a bus.

I also repeat: if there was reason to scum read Jamiet before a weird wagon happens, those reasons continue to exist after the weird wagon.

I’ll have to reread that whole EOD tomorrow… Obviously I’m not dying lel.

But yeah you may have a point. I’m basically townreading Jamie because of those wagons, but also knowing that Kak was a flash wagon, and ghug was town after all…

I’ll dig into this. Thanks snowy.

[foodcoats]

##CALL GM

Is the bot correct that day ends at 7 pm EDT and not 5 pm EDT as has been the case until now?

[rdrivera2005]

What makes you say 3P over mafia on these 2 items? Or just one of the few townies that hasnt claimed yet though?

(regardless, prioritizing the 3P is obviously needed).

I think Ghug has the commute (Black Beans). It's an hypothesis as if 3P tried to steal it and can't because he is away this would force 3P to shoot him before he can pass the item.
Also, nobody claimed an item steal on N2.

But it can also be with someone that didn't claim yet or with Bona (Celaph I don't believe as he would probably have used it N1).

Napkin is just a possibility as it could have started with 3P but it could be with scum too.

For ghug to have the commute item, he would have had to not commute N1, which I think is unlikely.

Humm, you are right, I checked and commute happens before RB, so for Ghug to be RBed he need to not use his item. Hihgly unlikely so my theory didn't hold.

So, Ghug's death still a mystery.

[damo666]

##CALL GM

Is the bot correct that day ends at 7 pm EDT and not 5 pm EDT as has been the case until now?

it says in 38 minutes?

[Jamiet99uk]

@snowy

I remember you saying you were suspicious of how Jamie was slow to move to Kak on D2. Were there specific posts that pinged you?

When I look at it, both Jamie and bozo made “protests” - Jamie said he’d go to Kak if everyone else did, and bozo said he preferred lfischl.

What do you think of how those two acted then in retrospect? My instinct when I look at that EOD now is that the whole Kak wagon may likely have been town and scum!bozo was hoping to save Kak.

Consider the context.

Jamiet has two votes, yes?
I am saying I will vote Kaka.
lfischl (Jamiet's CW and thus a natural Jamiet voter) is saying they will vote Kaka

This is 4 votes.

At 32 minutes damo (based man) votes Kaka. This is 5 votes. I emphasize this with my vote at 0:19.

Jamiet at 0:16 from end, 16 minutes after damo's vote., saying

Actual vote is currently:

Jamie - 6
Lfischl - 5

Despite saying he thinks Kaka's justification on him is real shitty and he also has no real reason to scum read lfischl, he does not move his vote. He continues to make excuses. I felt it in real time, as I was the one trying to make this shift happen.

Jamie vote for kak. I not enough follow we can go back to fish.

I will go there if others indicate that they will.

He does not wish to impart momentum to this wagon. He wants lfischl to be voted out, while coming out like he didn't want to.

At 0:13 Vecna joins the vote.

5 (4, without lfischl) - Jamiet
5 (3, without Jamiet) - lfischl
3 (6, with lfischl and Jamiet) - Kakarroto

At 0:11 lfischl joins the vote, and Jamiet's hand is tied.

0:09 Jamiet finally switches votes.

I don't know, it seems just obvious to me I don't know what you guys don't see wrong about this. Did I mention two scum consecutively pushed up Jamiet's wagon from 4 - 2 - 2 to 6 - 2 - 2. On a townie? 3 hours out? No, that was a bus.

I also repeat: if there was reason to scum read Jamiet before a weird wagon happens, those reasons continue to exist after the weird wagon.

This is such crap.

People saying they would vote, prior to actually moving, was not enough becuase I was the lead wagon. You had been throwing your vote all over the place and I wanted to make sure you and Damo were actually on Kak.

I moved to Kak as soon as this did not make me the lead wagon, EXACTLY as I had undertaken to do, and I was absolutely part of the momentum for his wagon because I was clearly calling out my reasoned scumread on him.

[bozotheclown]

I think Ghug has the commute (Black Beans). It's an hypothesis as if 3P tried to steal it and can't because he is away this would force 3P to shoot him before he can pass the item.
Also, nobody claimed an item steal on N2.

But it can also be with someone that didn't claim yet or with Bona (Celaph I don't believe as he would probably have used it N1).

Napkin is just a possibility as it could have started with 3P but it could be with scum too.

For ghug to have the commute item, he would have had to not commute N1, which I think is unlikely.

Humm, you are right, I checked and commute happens before RB, so for Ghug to be RBed he need to not use his item. Hihgly unlikely so my theory didn't hold.

So, Ghug's death still a mystery.

I think the mafia acquired the gun and shot ghug because he suspected Jamie, and that worcej sent me the mail message to try to set me up for the ghug shot or a fake claim.

[Hamilton Brian]

Haven’t read since 2 something this afternoon.

Like the man child I am I am currently re-walking my running route from this morning as I lost my house key along the way. Given the amount of increased break ins and thefts in the neighbourhood, my wife is furious. Foodcoats, saw the questions you asked. Hope to get to them.


Currently typing an EON post for the info required and will post as close to 5pm as possible.

[foodcoats]

##CALL GM

Is the bot correct that day ends at 7 pm EDT and not 5 pm EDT as has been the case until now?

it says in 38 minutes?

Oh, huh. I must’ve backed up to the page by accident instead of refreshing.

[snowy801]

This is such crap.

Surely could be crap! But it is nonetheless what I believe.