M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Wait a minute, Maniac is fucking 3P!

Go on.

[Jamiet99uk]

This should be interesting.

[Jamiet99uk]

Come on Snowy you can't just make an exclamation like that, and then log off.

Tease.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Maniac: How can you possibly rebut Snowy's cast-iron case that you are, indeed, the Third Party?

[damo666]

Maniac inherits Bona's gun having scanned ghug D1 to discover Beans.

And he steals the cheese.

Nowhere near to victory if he's 3p.

[bozotheclown]

@snowy

I remember you saying you were suspicious of how Jamie was slow to move to Kak on D2. Were there specific posts that pinged you?

When I look at it, both Jamie and bozo made “protests” - Jamie said he’d go to Kak if everyone else did, and bozo said he preferred lfischl.

What do you think of how those two acted then in retrospect? My instinct when I look at that EOD now is that the whole Kak wagon may likely have been town and scum!bozo was hoping to save Kak.

Agree with you on Bozo. About Jamiet I am not still convinced he was "forced" to vote Kak, but he could have bussed.
I would flip Bozo first. His lack of engagement in such a heavy mechanical game isn't town Bozo. Town Bozo would be excited and engaged to solve the mechanical puzzles.

If you do not think I have been trying to solve the game, please ask me any question and I will tell you what I think happened.

[Vecna]

Christ, the 3P is sitting back laughing and thinking, "Great job scumteam and Tom in particular."

Ask yourself, why wouldn't Tom lie.

Then you please tell me why Tom lying would be unlikely.

As I said before, I am totally willing to go on the block D5. Have a couple of counters ready to go because I don't want scum or 3P to get an easy walk. Joke'll be on 3P though because I possess JACK-SHIT!

Tom wouldn't have a strong reason to lie, because his team can't win unless they get the 3P killed, and to do that they need to get town to vote for the 3P, because the 3P is immune to their NK.

Not entirely true. If Mafia just work to eliminate all the town (with or without 3P help), it will eventually be the vs 3P, when they control the DK.

That only works though if they can somehow eliminate all townies without losing a single member from this point onward. I find that extremely unlikely.

Anyways, I still have a lot to catch up on and not a whole lot of time. Ill give it a good shot.

[Vecna]

##GM Note:
kgray has replaced brainbomb

Oh thats pretty epic

[Vecna]

Oh hi everyone!

I've not read anything, do not plan to go back and read very much, and after the next few hours I will have very little time to read anything.

@Rivera, who's scum?

I will start with the opposite, the towncore is Damo, Bob, Snowy, me and Vecna. I think Macca is also town, but a really misguided one.

So, I think scum are between Bozo, Food, Jamiet and you, in this order. HB and Maniac are my top 3P candidates at this point.

Hmmm. Don't love this response.... It's easier for scum to name townies than scumbos.

Why are they/you towncore? Why is Macca town if they're so misguided?

How many scum are we looking for?

Not that there was great concern over the slot, but im already liking this entrance

[bozotheclown]

If HB is the 3P, which I think is probably the case, then the gun did not start with the 3P. I think the mafia got the gun from celaph, and Tom had the mail item. As to why the mafia used both items as they did, I think the mafia hoped I would claim ghug is guilty, and if I did, they were going to shoot him, making it look like a town shot ghug in response to my claim, and frame me for a fake claim. When I did not bring up the message at the beginning of the day, I think they then shot him.

This also explains why Maniac would claim his JOAT item as mafia after using it in an anti-town way. If the mafia used the gun they received, got an unclaimable item from ghug (maybe the day hammer), and failed to acquire new items N2 and N3, then Maniac would have no choice but to claim his own item.

[Vecna]

But why don't you think Rivera picked it up from celaph? It *is* convenient that he didn't provide any useful info...

So you and Bob are both town (or both scum, but like.... probabilistically insignificant) and Macca is probably town too, since they gave lettuce to probably-town!Bob, but is still not conf!town.

1) Because I town read him, and further believe it is very unlikely that the cop was in those two on average.

2) Yes, but apparently damo has a mechanical reason that Bob must be town. I believe that he believes it, but damo has been known to make outlandish claims which he later then retracts. Take that as you will. But Bob is obvtown, if you ask me.

3) Macca did not give lettuce to Bob, they gave brown rice. They are probl!town in my opinion.

Well I'm not going to take your townread of Rivera as gospel until he starts being my spokesperson And every townie got an item so they got something... just as likely they got the cop thing as anything else.

If Bob saved you, he's pretty much conf!town... Doesn't say much about Damo though. I'd have to go back and look, and I'm not gonna do that, but I don't think of him as the white-knighting type.

Yeah I meant the healing thing, got the items confused. Macca doesn't give lettuce, they get it.

Im pretty sure Rdrivera is town, or at the very least not mafia (so he can immitate his towngame and genuinely hunt and mindmeld about shit).

[bozotheclown]

I'm 40 years old. That will take a very long time to write.

I suppose mine will be fairly short. "Spent all his life preparing to be a wage slave, and succeeded. But to what end?"

Also, a thought:

If Kakarroto started with Watcher (2) and took Replenisher (2) from Celaph's items (see: my conjectures on the unclaimed items) it would neatly explain why damo received Replenisher from the day kill, why Bob received a Replenish on N1 but nobody received one since, and why nobody claimed receiving it from the kill (either 3P or scum got it).

I suppose today's EoN posts will help elucidate this point, but it certainly seems like a viable theory.

If this was the case, where did the watcher item go?

I think using the replenisher on a town D1 would be a very good mafia use of it, especially knowing that item claims would eventually be required.

I don't know how you (meaning the town members not including me) caught Kakarroto so early.

[Vecna]

There are still some interesting possibilities, but the most boring (and most likely) is Jamie and Maniac are mafia and HB is 3P, with foodcoats the first alternate for mafia.

Why do you think Hamilton is 3P?

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

what?

[bozotheclown]

Why do you think Hamilton is 3P?

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

what?

How would you explain the lack of a NK D2? Do you still think the mafia sent the GF out to do the NK and you RB him?

[Vecna]

Although it is possible, since the other mafia might have been considered more hidden. If Tom's claim is false, there are other 3P possibilities.

What are they? I'm way behind my dude, I need you to spell things out for me please.

My 3 top mafia suspects are possibilities, as are you. Vecna is still possible, although he claims to have given away a 3P item, that has not been confirmed.

See, if you were town I wouldve expected you to quite clearly see the soft confirm.

[Vecna]

Am I stupid? If Vecna outed scum!worcej because Vecna RB'd worcej and nobody died, how does that at all imply that Hamilton is 3P?

Tom being the GF makes his claim more believable, in my opinion.

Also, can you confirm your item was taken N2?

Maybe we were missing the obvious though.

What if tom merely had to claim, because the other scum werent around during N2 or w/e? And worcej was forced to do the kill due to teammate inactivity?

Trying to cover for that so the team isnt completely outed and all that?

Someone should like, crosscheck this shit.

[Vecna]

You aren't stupid. We also believed that worTom was the killer who got rb'd N2.

Tom, before being hammered, claimed that it was mere happenstance and that they shot 3P and just got unlucky with the rb.

Either is possible. It is up to figure out which.

I just don't know why Hamilton's name got brought up. Not sure why we're trusting scum!Tom but more importantly, I'm not sure why he targeted Hamilton as the 3P. Was that his "read"?

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... 20Bombadil

I don’t want to reveal why HB was targeted. If I wanted to setup a town kill by faking catching third party, I would have picked someone who was on a killing wagon. I don’t know why HB wasn’t on either wagon to get an item. You can ask him.

HB was targeted for reasons non third party related

Some of Tom's last words.

Again, there is no reason to trust Tom's words. It is merely information we have, which we can use or not, depending on our inclination. It is good that you are skeptical, as I personally believe that Hamilton Brian is Tom's teammate, who Tom is attempting to 2nd level conceal.

I dont think TomB would go for a play like that.

I think he either just wants to get an easy misskill for his team, genuinely believes the 3P stuff, or is trying to cover up some other truth.

I do not believe HB to be mafia.

[bozotheclown]

I realize I am still in the scum pool from other player's perspectives, but for me everything is pointing to Maniac and Jamie as the remaining mafia and HB as the 3P. I am still not sure about foodcoats, but I am starting to think he is town. If HB is not the 3P, there are a few other possibilities.

[Vecna]

omg you are being so unhelpful

Who are your top mafia suspects, and why are they 3P candidates? What item did Vecna claim to give away?

I liked snowy's point that 3P!Vecna wouldn't draw the NK towards him that way. I'm gonna say Vecna's town.

Also, the sooner you answer the question about your item, the less 3P suspicion you will receive.

I'm gonna hold off on saying anything about items until more people I trust ask me about it. I'm not worried about you 3P-reading me

Were doing a full-claim sort of thing for people that havent yet at EoN

[damo666]

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

what?

How would you explain the lack of a NK D2? Do you still think the mafia sent the GF out to do the NK and you RB him?

Perhaps they targeted the 3p who is not HamB