M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

The lack of a reveal would suggest rdr gave it away. Rdr and/or recipient should reveal right at EON (not before to prevent RB).

Agreed. I think it would be interesting to know this info, because rdr did not play cop as I would have.

As I told before, I gave my cop item with still one use left to a town read of mine. I think he more or less confirmed it during the day/night but a full confirmation at EON would be great.
Hopefully he can even get one more charge from the replenisher.

Okay fair enough, thanks rdr.

What made you decide to not perform another scan yourself?

Sorry again if I am having you repeat things.

[foodcoats]

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

I don't think scum will send GF to do the killing, it's utterly stupid. Hence, Tom's claim is believable. Also, HB didn't obvtowned as he usually does.

This is definitely possible. But what if HB who has tracker and someone who got the watcher item are both scum? Then there’s no reason not to use GF for killing, and it frees up their Item Cop to act.

[Maniac]

I don’t know why this smells so much to me but I just don’t believe that scum!Roleblocker, Cop!RDr and Tracker!HamB turned up at Ghugs house N1.

If Vecna is to be believed he roleblocked Damo N1.

All I really remember Ghug for D1 is joking and the start of his spat with Jamie.

@Rdr @HamB why did you visit Ghug?

[foodcoats]

Scum was merely guessing. I do not believe rdrivera is scum. As cop is a town only start item, I do not believe that conjecture leads to any useful conclusions - if rdrivera is not cop, then he picked it up from celaph during the night kill, I believe. I do not think this happened.
I gave my item away, as I expected to die that night. It was correct to a certain degree, as I was targeted but saved.
BobMcBob confirmed that he saved me with the brown rice (faith healer x3) he was given by Macca the day before. I trust this sequence of events.

Rdr, are you available to claim at exactly EON who you gave the guac to today?

The problem I see is that if scum!rdr took the guac from celaph, it can be “given” to the intended NK.

Rdr didn’t claim to have scanned N3 but explicitly said he was not RBd. Did I miss something rdr? Did you use your last guac or did you hold it and then pass? If so I’d really like to see it claimed who you passed to right at EON.

I gave the Guac at EOD3 so I couldn't scan on N3 because I didn't have it. I played a bit with Snowy to try to attract a NK or RB and it worked a bit as Snowy was targeted and the player I gave the Guac was neither killed or RBed and should have a scan.

I will try my best to disclose the info on who I gave it at EOD, but I guess it's pretty obvious if you are reading the game...

Oh sorry I missed that you gave it D3, I thought you gave it today.

[rdrivera2005]

Agreed. I think it would be interesting to know this info, because rdr did not play cop as I would have.

As I told before, I gave my cop item with still one use left to a town read of mine. I think he more or less confirmed it during the day/night but a full confirmation at EON would be great.
Hopefully he can even get one more charge from the replenisher.

Okay fair enough, thanks rdr.

What made you decide to not perform another scan yourself?

Sorry again if I am having you repeat things.

Two things:
- Fear scum will just RB or kill me after I claimed.
- I fear people won´t believe my result, specially after last game where people didn´t believe my cop claim and lost the game.

[rdrivera2005]

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

I don't think scum will send GF to do the killing, it's utterly stupid. Hence, Tom's claim is believable. Also, HB didn't obvtowned as he usually does.

This is definitely possible. But what if HB who has tracker and someone who got the watcher item are both scum? Then there’s no reason not to use GF for killing, and it frees up their Item Cop to act.

This is also possible, but it depend on a very specific item combination of the scum team. And why Tom will claim 3P is HB in this case?

[foodcoats]

Just want to apologize to town for my bad play this game. I have been allowing other things to distract me and that is irresponsible and a jerk move.

I think we are close to solving the game but of course I’m in a lot of scum POEs. I will work harder these next phases to prove I am town and help solve.

And apologies again if I ask anyone stupid questions that have already been answered.

[Maniac]

How many games have WorceJ played? If he really did get roleblocked trying to kill someone it screams that scum aren’t veterans

[rdrivera2005]

I don’t know why this smells so much to me but I just don’t believe that scum!Roleblocker, Cop!RDr and Tracker!HamB turned up at Ghugs house N1.

If Vecna is to be believed he roleblocked Damo N1.

All I really remember Ghug for D1 is joking and the start of his spat with Jamie.

@Rdr @HamB why did you visit Ghug?

I visited Celaph and not Ghug. What are you smoking?

[foodcoats]

I don't think scum will send GF to do the killing, it's utterly stupid. Hence, Tom's claim is believable. Also, HB didn't obvtowned as he usually does.

This is definitely possible. But what if HB who has tracker and someone who got the watcher item are both scum? Then there’s no reason not to use GF for killing, and it frees up their Item Cop to act.

This is also possible, but it depend on a very specific item combination of the scum team. And why Tom will claim 3P is HB in this case?

I think Tom’s 3P!HB claim is total WIFOM, so I’m not considering it too far.

[rdrivera2005]

This is definitely possible. But what if HB who has tracker and someone who got the watcher item are both scum? Then there’s no reason not to use GF for killing, and it frees up their Item Cop to act.

This is also possible, but it depend on a very specific item combination of the scum team. And why Tom will claim 3P is HB in this case?

I think Tom’s 3P!HB claim is total WIFOM, so I’m not considering it too far.

I think it´s either bullshit and he wants to get a town misskilled or it´s true and HB is 3P. I just can´t see Tom claiming it on a scum partner.

[rdrivera2005]

How many games have WorceJ played? If he really did get roleblocked trying to kill someone it screams that scum aren’t veterans

Worcej is a really good scum player (he won a game with Ghug as scum not long ago). The only way GF Worcej was doing the killing is if both Tracker and Watcher are in scum hands like Food pointed.

[foodcoats]

Another thing I was thinking about is how I guess I could claim I did not receive an item from Tom.

Then I realized that probably no one got an item from Tom because Tom had D3 to pass his items.

Then I realized Macca might’ve saved Tom D3.

As much as a I’ve been towning Macca, Macca is very sly as scum. In the last game where Macca was scum with kgray, celaph, chaqa and demonrhk, Macca manipulated their hide/show status on the forum to give a false sense of authenticity, and deliberately lurked when we attempted to have them modkilled for lack of vote.

So Macca could certainly play as they have as scum. I guess they go back in my pool.

[Jamiet99uk]

How many games have WorceJ played? If he really did get roleblocked trying to kill someone it screams that scum aren’t veterans

Maniac behaving as if he doesn't remember being in multiple games with Worcej is a bit weird.

Maniac I think you know perfectly well that Worcej is a very experienced player.

[Jamiet99uk]

"Worcej? Who is he? Is he knew?"

[damo666]

I don't think scum will send GF to do the killing, it's utterly stupid. Hence, Tom's claim is believable. Also, HB didn't obvtowned as he usually does.

Good thinking. However, still don't think he should be 2m's kill as even if he is 3p he is nowhere near his wincon (unless he is lying about corn salsa, stole cheese, shot a 3p item ghug and somebody gifted him a 3p item - only 1 of these is likely imo so he is not of immediate concern, he can be killed day 6 if 3p not dk'd D5. I think if we kill in the Jamie Bozo Maniac Food pool we have a more than 50% chance of a scumkill.

I believe 3-P shot Ghug to take his item and he also stole Cheese from Brain, so at least this two itens where in 3-P hands. I also believe Black Beans is on 3-P hands as no one claimed it and at this point there is no reason for a town to not claim it and pass away. Also, Napkins could be on 3-P hands, so we might need to catch 3-P sooner then D6.

Given who was on Bona and who could have managed all that? Maniac maybe. Not HB.

I hope scum weren't daft enough to leave Tom with a 3p item.

[Jamiet99uk]

Is Bozo the only person to have claimed receiving a napkin message?

If you have been in possession of the napkins at any point I think you should claim at EoN.

[snowy801]

Is Bozo the only person to have claimed receiving a napkin message?

If you have been in possession of the napkins at any point I think you should claim at EoN.

I think literally everything everyone has ever done or known should be claimed at EoN tonight.

[snowy801]

Given who was on Bona and who could have managed all that? Maniac maybe. Not HB.

I hope scum weren't daft enough to leave Tom with a 3p item.

They will not be. I don't think anyone should be concerned about this.

Especially if you subscribe to the idea that Tom is trying to use false 3P reveals as a miskill (which just gives 3P more time to win).

[Jamiet99uk]

Is Bozo the only person to have claimed receiving a napkin message?

If you have been in possession of the napkins at any point I think you should claim at EoN.

I think literally everything everyone has ever done or known should be claimed at EoN tonight.

I'm 40 years old. That will take a very long time to write.