M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

Did you claim something? Why do you keep getting RB'd?

I claimed nothing at the time. I now claim that I started with the Hot Potato, and held it N1, tried to use it on worTom N2 but was RB'd, tried to use it on foodcoats N3 but was RB'd, and now no longer possess it.

My current conjecture as to why I was hook/killed (presumably) was previously that scum believed that I was cop on the basis of my insisting we vote out worcej, as the Kakarroto wagon gained strength. At the end of the day, this is mere supposition, and Tom claims that they intended to kill Hamilton Brian N2.

Then again, he is scum, so who knows if he speaks truth. I previously believed Brian was straight up scum, not 3P.

Just catching up, I recommend NOT giving me that potato, UNLESS the replenisher can be confirmed depleted.

[foodcoats]

You were targeted for the NK N3? Someone saved you?

Why don't you have your item? Did it get stollen or did you give it away?

If scum thinks you're the cop, Rivera isn't scum... yeah?

Scum was merely guessing. I do not believe rdrivera is scum. As cop is a town only start item, I do not believe that conjecture leads to any useful conclusions - if rdrivera is not cop, then he picked it up from celaph during the night kill, I believe. I do not think this happened.
I gave my item away, as I expected to die that night. It was correct to a certain degree, as I was targeted but saved.
BobMcBob confirmed that he saved me with the brown rice (faith healer x3) he was given by Macca the day before. I trust this sequence of events.

Rdr, are you available to claim at exactly EON who you gave the guac to today?

The problem I see is that if scum!rdr took the guac from celaph, it can be “given” to the intended NK.

Rdr didn’t claim to have scanned N3 but explicitly said he was not RBd. Did I miss something rdr? Did you use your last guac or did you hold it and then pass? If so I’d really like to see it claimed who you passed to right at EON.

[foodcoats]

You were targeted for the NK N3? Someone saved you?

Why don't you have your item? Did it get stollen or did you give it away?

If scum thinks you're the cop, Rivera isn't scum... yeah?

Scum was merely guessing. I do not believe rdrivera is scum. As cop is a town only start item, I do not believe that conjecture leads to any useful conclusions - if rdrivera is not cop, then he picked it up from celaph during the night kill, I believe. I do not think this happened.
I gave my item away, as I expected to die that night. It was correct to a certain degree, as I was targeted but saved.
BobMcBob confirmed that he saved me with the brown rice (faith healer x3) he was given by Macca the day before. I trust this sequence of events.

Rdr, are you available to claim at exactly EON who you gave the guac to today?

The problem I see is that if scum!rdr took the guac from celaph, it can be “given” to the intended NK.

Rdr didn’t claim to have scanned N3 but explicitly said he was not RBd. Did I miss something rdr? Did you use your last guac or did you hold it and then pass? If so I’d really like to see it claimed who you passed to right at EON.

Also rdr can you explain why you declined to use it N3 if that is the case?

[damo666]

Scum was merely guessing. I do not believe rdrivera is scum. As cop is a town only start item, I do not believe that conjecture leads to any useful conclusions - if rdrivera is not cop, then he picked it up from celaph during the night kill, I believe. I do not think this happened.
I gave my item away, as I expected to die that night. It was correct to a certain degree, as I was targeted but saved.
BobMcBob confirmed that he saved me with the brown rice (faith healer x3) he was given by Macca the day before. I trust this sequence of events.

Rdr, are you available to claim at exactly EON who you gave the guac to today?

The problem I see is that if scum!rdr took the guac from celaph, it can be “given” to the intended NK.

Rdr didn’t claim to have scanned N3 but explicitly said he was not RBd. Did I miss something rdr? Did you use your last guac or did you hold it and then pass? If so I’d really like to see it claimed who you passed to right at EON.

Also rdr can you explain why you declined to use it N3 if that is the case?

The lack of a reveal would suggest rdr gave it away. Rdr and/or recipient should reveal right at EON (not before to prevent RB).

[foodcoats]

@snowy

I remember you saying you were suspicious of how Jamie was slow to move to Kak on D2. Were there specific posts that pinged you?

When I look at it, both Jamie and bozo made “protests” - Jamie said he’d go to Kak if everyone else did, and bozo said he preferred lfischl.

What do you think of how those two acted then in retrospect? My instinct when I look at that EOD now is that the whole Kak wagon may likely have been town and scum!bozo was hoping to save Kak.

[foodcoats]

Rdr, are you available to claim at exactly EON who you gave the guac to today?

The problem I see is that if scum!rdr took the guac from celaph, it can be “given” to the intended NK.

Rdr didn’t claim to have scanned N3 but explicitly said he was not RBd. Did I miss something rdr? Did you use your last guac or did you hold it and then pass? If so I’d really like to see it claimed who you passed to right at EON.

Also rdr can you explain why you declined to use it N3 if that is the case?

The lack of a reveal would suggest rdr gave it away. Rdr and/or recipient should reveal right at EON (not before to prevent RB).

Agreed. I think it would be interesting to know this info, because rdr did not play cop as I would have.

[rdrivera2005]

Did you claim something? Why do you keep getting RB'd?

I claimed nothing at the time. I now claim that I started with the Hot Potato, and held it N1, tried to use it on worTom N2 but was RB'd, tried to use it on foodcoats N3 but was RB'd, and now no longer possess it.

My current conjecture as to why I was hook/killed (presumably) was previously that scum believed that I was cop on the basis of my insisting we vote out worcej, as the Kakarroto wagon gained strength. At the end of the day, this is mere supposition, and Tom claims that they intended to kill Hamilton Brian N2.

Then again, he is scum, so who knows if he speaks truth. I previously believed Brian was straight up scum, not 3P.

This conjecture no longer holds now that WorcTom flipped GF.

[rdrivera2005]

Also rdr can you explain why you declined to use it N3 if that is the case?

The lack of a reveal would suggest rdr gave it away. Rdr and/or recipient should reveal right at EON (not before to prevent RB).

Agreed. I think it would be interesting to know this info, because rdr did not play cop as I would have.

As I told before, I gave my cop item with still one use left to a town read of mine. I think he more or less confirmed it during the day/night but a full confirmation at EON would be great.
Hopefully he can even get one more charge from the replenisher.

[snowy801]

Mulling over Tom’s HB is 3P claim.

I’m essence Tom is saying the Hooker or their investigator tried to kill 3P or bullet proof HB while the hooker RB snowy. He says they were unlucky to hit 3P/Bulletproof AND also unlucky that stay-at-home Godfather got roleblocked. That’s more than unlucky. But Tom does come across as being mad, he calmly tells us that HB is 3P. My question is why didn’t they check HB was 3P with their investigator and report those results?

Scum!Tom’s only motivation here is to get someone who isn’t Mafia DK. If HB happens to be 3P, they’d be happy, but I suspect they would be just as happy if HB flips town and then town have to seriously look for 3P the following day. It all helps scum wincon.

I’d take Tom’s claim with a large pinch of salt.

I have iceberg lettuce by the way. I’m assured they are randomly allocated but sure Damo or someone will give us the odds on me drawing one of each over four nights. As instructed I’m handing it to HB unless anyone has a better idea?

Welcome to the game Kgray. Sorry to see BB go: he was my biggest fan.

If HB was BP or BP'd, someone would've claimed. Am I understanding you right? Does not seem to be computing.

[snowy801]

IMPORTANT message for rice holders.

We don't want the effects to cancel each other out so I suggest the following plan:

White rice - save me please
Brown rice - save Snowy

Thanks

I don't know, I think this just gives mafia a free kill. Would it not be better to say something like, white rice save someone in A-J (incl damo) and brown rice save someone in K-Z?

[rdrivera2005]

Why do you think Hamilton is 3P?

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

I don't think scum will send GF to do the killing, it's utterly stupid. Hence, Tom's claim is believable. Also, HB didn't obvtowned as he usually does.

[snowy801]

Couple of things occur to me about 3p

Weren't they lucky to gues brain had cheese? Maybe this is a lie. Perhaps kgray is 3p and retains the cheese. (Or maybe 3p had a scan - forgot that).

@Jamie do you retain the chicken? Why didn't 3p steal it when it was almost certain you had it.

Ignore the cheese, whoever starts with cheese cannot be 3p!

Oddly strange that no cheese use to confirm starting with cheese, but I see no reason to scum read fisch/bb/kgray and fisch would absolutely just... not use their item.

[snowy801]

IMPORTANT message for rice holders.

We don't want the effects to cancel each other out so I suggest the following plan:

White rice - save me please
Brown rice - save Snowy

Thanks

I don't know, I think this just gives mafia a free kill. Would it not be better to say something like, white rice save someone in A-J (incl damo) and brown rice save someone in K-Z?

This is not a conclusion by the way, just an idea. I'd like opinions on whether this might be better or worse than just the static saves damo outlined.

[rdrivera2005]

You were targeted for the NK N3? Someone saved you?

Why don't you have your item? Did it get stollen or did you give it away?

If scum thinks you're the cop, Rivera isn't scum... yeah?

Scum was merely guessing. I do not believe rdrivera is scum. As cop is a town only start item, I do not believe that conjecture leads to any useful conclusions - if rdrivera is not cop, then he picked it up from celaph during the night kill, I believe. I do not think this happened.
I gave my item away, as I expected to die that night. It was correct to a certain degree, as I was targeted but saved.
BobMcBob confirmed that he saved me with the brown rice (faith healer x3) he was given by Macca the day before. I trust this sequence of events.

Rdr, are you available to claim at exactly EON who you gave the guac to today?

The problem I see is that if scum!rdr took the guac from celaph, it can be “given” to the intended NK.

Rdr didn’t claim to have scanned N3 but explicitly said he was not RBd. Did I miss something rdr? Did you use your last guac or did you hold it and then pass? If so I’d really like to see it claimed who you passed to right at EON.

I gave the Guac at EOD3 so I couldn't scan on N3 because I didn't have it. I played a bit with Snowy to try to attract a NK or RB and it worked a bit as Snowy was targeted and the player I gave the Guac was neither killed or RBed and should have a scan.

I will try my best to disclose the info on who I gave it at EOD, but I guess it's pretty obvious if you are reading the game...

[rdrivera2005]

@snowy

I remember you saying you were suspicious of how Jamie was slow to move to Kak on D2. Were there specific posts that pinged you?

When I look at it, both Jamie and bozo made “protests” - Jamie said he’d go to Kak if everyone else did, and bozo said he preferred lfischl.

What do you think of how those two acted then in retrospect? My instinct when I look at that EOD now is that the whole Kak wagon may likely have been town and scum!bozo was hoping to save Kak.

Agree with you on Bozo. About Jamiet I am not still convinced he was "forced" to vote Kak, but he could have bussed.
I would flip Bozo first. His lack of engagement in such a heavy mechanical game isn't town Bozo. Town Bozo would be excited and engaged to solve the mechanical puzzles.

[rdrivera2005]

IMPORTANT message for rice holders.

We don't want the effects to cancel each other out so I suggest the following plan:

White rice - save me please
Brown rice - save Snowy

Thanks

I don't know, I think this just gives mafia a free kill. Would it not be better to say something like, white rice save someone in A-J (incl damo) and brown rice save someone in K-Z?

This is not a conclusion by the way, just an idea. I'd like opinions on whether this might be better or worse than just the static saves damo outlined.

I agree with you. This static setup will get Bob killed. If we go with your idea we force them to target outside of this three to get a sure kill.

[damo666]

IMPORTANT message for rice holders.

We don't want the effects to cancel each other out so I suggest the following plan:

White rice - save me please
Brown rice - save Snowy

Thanks

I don't know, I think this just gives mafia a free kill. Would it not be better to say something like, white rice save someone in A-J (incl damo) and brown rice save someone in K-Z?

Yes agreed. That is better than my plan. It does rule out some pairings but still leaves Mafia with some guesswork.

[damo666]

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

I don't think scum will send GF to do the killing, it's utterly stupid. Hence, Tom's claim is believable. Also, HB didn't obvtowned as he usually does.

Good thinking. However, still don't think he should be 2m's kill as even if he is 3p he is nowhere near his wincon (unless he is lying about corn salsa, stole cheese, shot a 3p item ghug and somebody gifted him a 3p item - only 1 of these is likely imo so he is not of immediate concern, he can be killed day 6 if 3p not dk'd D5. I think if we kill in the Jamie Bozo Maniac Food pool we have a more than 50% chance of a scumkill.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have decided it is safe to reveal the following info.

The item I got for being on kaks wagon was the chips.

I gave these to Jamie. I'm not sure that was the wisest decision but done now.

I can confirm that this is correct. Damo did indeed give some scooping chips to me.

[rdrivera2005]

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

I don't think scum will send GF to do the killing, it's utterly stupid. Hence, Tom's claim is believable. Also, HB didn't obvtowned as he usually does.

Good thinking. However, still don't think he should be 2m's kill as even if he is 3p he is nowhere near his wincon (unless he is lying about corn salsa, stole cheese, shot a 3p item ghug and somebody gifted him a 3p item - only 1 of these is likely imo so he is not of immediate concern, he can be killed day 6 if 3p not dk'd D5. I think if we kill in the Jamie Bozo Maniac Food pool we have a more than 50% chance of a scumkill.

I believe 3-P shot Ghug to take his item and he also stole Cheese from Brain, so at least this two itens where in 3-P hands. I also believe Black Beans is on 3-P hands as no one claimed it and at this point there is no reason for a town to not claim it and pass away. Also, Napkins could be on 3-P hands, so we might need to catch 3-P sooner then D6.