M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

Oh, thanks snowy. I missed the "we" in that post Macca quoted and him actually claiming scum before he died....

Also, on brief skim of Tom's posts, Maniac seems a very unlikely scumbuddy.

[bozotheclown]

What are they? I'm way behind my dude, I need you to spell things out for me please.

My 3 top mafia suspects are possibilities, as are you. Vecna is still possible, although he claims to have given away a 3P item, that has not been confirmed.

omg you are being so unhelpful

Who are your top mafia suspects, and why are they 3P candidates? What item did Vecna claim to give away?

I liked snowy's point that 3P!Vecna wouldn't draw the NK towards him that way. I'm gonna say Vecna's town.

I was referring to this:

Welcome to the game.

bozo! Who's scum?

There are still some interesting possibilities, but the most boring (and most likely) is Jamie and Maniac are mafia and HB is 3P, with foodcoats the first alternate for mafia.

Vecna said he was giving away his RB item. It was used, but still an item the 3P needs.

[kgray]

Oh, duh, Vecna has/had the RB thing.

Bozo, what's your read on Rivera? And why won't you list some scumreads for me?

[bozotheclown]

What are they? I'm way behind my dude, I need you to spell things out for me please.

My 3 top mafia suspects are possibilities, as are you. Vecna is still possible, although he claims to have given away a 3P item, that has not been confirmed.

omg you are being so unhelpful

Who are your top mafia suspects, and why are they 3P candidates? What item did Vecna claim to give away?

I liked snowy's point that 3P!Vecna wouldn't draw the NK towards him that way. I'm gonna say Vecna's town.

Also, the sooner you answer the question about your item, the less 3P suspicion you will receive.

[bozotheclown]

Oh, duh, Vecna has/had the RB thing.

Bozo, what's your read on Rivera? And why won't you list some scumreads for me?

Are you caught up? I have posted and now reposted them.

[snowy801]

(chimes in instead of sleeping)

Definitely agree if I'm wrong about food/Brian then Maniac is a top suspect. Their behavior all game + lettuce usage is extremely sus.

[kgray]

My 3 top mafia suspects are possibilities, as are you. Vecna is still possible, although he claims to have given away a 3P item, that has not been confirmed.

omg you are being so unhelpful

Who are your top mafia suspects, and why are they 3P candidates? What item did Vecna claim to give away?

I liked snowy's point that 3P!Vecna wouldn't draw the NK towards him that way. I'm gonna say Vecna's town.

Also, the sooner you answer the question about your item, the less 3P suspicion you will receive.

I'm gonna hold off on saying anything about items until more people I trust ask me about it. I'm not worried about you 3P-reading me

[bozotheclown]

Oh, duh, Vecna has/had the RB thing.

Bozo, what's your read on Rivera? And why won't you list some scumreads for me?

Are you caught up? I have posted and now reposted them.

It is likely rdrivera started with the cop item, which can only start with town. It is possible rdrivera got the item from celaph, but I would not worry too much about that yet.

[kgray]

Oh, duh, Vecna has/had the RB thing.

Bozo, what's your read on Rivera? And why won't you list some scumreads for me?

Are you caught up? I have posted and now reposted them.

I am not going back to read everything, no.

I'm looking at some stuff on the bot and actually I think so far (only made it to N2 on your ISO) you're looking pretty good. You asked some questions that drew attention to you and worcej D1, and then went through some focusing on Jamie, then snowy, then lfishl. Overall you're not doing the normal death-tunnel-townies thing I generally associate with your scum game.

Anyway, I guess I'll get to your current reads eventually, but it's kind of annoying that you can't at least point me to a post covering them.

[bozotheclown]

omg you are being so unhelpful

Who are your top mafia suspects, and why are they 3P candidates? What item did Vecna claim to give away?

I liked snowy's point that 3P!Vecna wouldn't draw the NK towards him that way. I'm gonna say Vecna's town.

Also, the sooner you answer the question about your item, the less 3P suspicion you will receive.

I'm gonna hold off on saying anything about items until more people I trust ask me about it. I'm not worried about you 3P-reading me

Well, the reason I asked the first time was the HB claims the tracker item, which is probably true, and he claims to have tracked you N3. If the 3P had the tracker item, using the tracker to cover their movements with a watcher in play would be a good move.

[kgray]

Oh, duh, Vecna has/had the RB thing.

Bozo, what's your read on Rivera? And why won't you list some scumreads for me?

Are you caught up? I have posted and now reposted them.

It is likely rdrivera started with the cop item, which can only start with town. It is possible rdrivera got the item from celaph, but I would not worry too much about that yet.

What happened to you being suspicious of anyone claiming the cop item because celaph could have been crumbing it?

[bozotheclown]

Oh, duh, Vecna has/had the RB thing.

Bozo, what's your read on Rivera? And why won't you list some scumreads for me?

Are you caught up? I have posted and now reposted them.

I am not going back to read everything, no.

I'm looking at some stuff on the bot and actually I think so far (only made it to N2 on your ISO) you're looking pretty good. You asked some questions that drew attention to you and worcej D1, and then went through some focusing on Jamie, then snowy, then lfishl. Overall you're not doing the normal death-tunnel-townies thing I generally associate with your scum game.

Anyway, I guess I'll get to your current reads eventually, but it's kind of annoying that you can't at least point me to a post covering them.

I am not trying to be elusive, I answered you directly the first time you asked:

Welcome to the game.

bozo! Who's scum?

There are still some interesting possibilities, but the most boring (and most likely) is Jamie and Maniac are mafia and HB is 3P, with foodcoats the first alternate for mafia.

[kgray]

Also, the sooner you answer the question about your item, the less 3P suspicion you will receive.

I'm gonna hold off on saying anything about items until more people I trust ask me about it. I'm not worried about you 3P-reading me

Well, the reason I asked the first time was the HB claims the tracker item, which is probably true, and he claims to have tracked you N3. If the 3P had the tracker item, using the tracker to cover their movements with a watcher in play would be a good move.

Oh... Yeah, okay. If outing is a mistake then it was brain's mistake, not mine lol.

afaik, brain wasn't lying. lfischl got cheese but didn't use it, and it was stolen from Brain N3.

[kgray]

I am not trying to be elusive, I answered you directly the first time you asked:

Yeah, that checks out, my bad

[kgray]

@bozo what do you think about Tom's interactions with/about Maniac and my conclusion that it doesn't seem like they're partners?

[bozotheclown]

Are you caught up? I have posted and now reposted them.

It is likely rdrivera started with the cop item, which can only start with town. It is possible rdrivera got the item from celaph, but I would not worry too much about that yet.

What happened to you being suspicious of anyone claiming the cop item because celaph could have been crumbing it?

As I said, that is still a possibility, definitely something to keep in mind if the last scum is more hidden that it seems.

[bozotheclown]

I'm gonna hold off on saying anything about items until more people I trust ask me about it. I'm not worried about you 3P-reading me

Well, the reason I asked the first time was the HB claims the tracker item, which is probably true, and he claims to have tracked you N3. If the 3P had the tracker item, using the tracker to cover their movements with a watcher in play would be a good move.

Oh... Yeah, okay. If outing is a mistake then it was brain's mistake, not mine lol.

afaik, brain wasn't lying. lfischl got cheese but didn't use it, and it was stolen from Brain N3.

Then that is another reason why HB fits as the 3P.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo what do you think about Tom's interactions with/about Maniac and my conclusion that it doesn't seem like they're partners?

I don't know what specifically makes you think they are unlikely mafia teammates.

[bozotheclown]

It is likely rdrivera started with the cop item, which can only start with town. It is possible rdrivera got the item from celaph, but I would not worry too much about that yet.

What happened to you being suspicious of anyone claiming the cop item because celaph could have been crumbing it?

As I said, that is still a possibility, definitely something to keep in mind if the last scum is more hidden that it seems.

Also, there is apparently item information that snowy and damo have not revealed yet that may help determine the probability of the mafia getting the cop item from celaph.

[kgray]

@bozo what do you think about Tom's interactions with/about Maniac and my conclusion that it doesn't seem like they're partners?

I don't know what specifically makes you think they are unlikely mafia teammates.

This interaction makes me think Tom's looking to discredit Hamilton's townread of Maniac:

How would Maniacs D1 and D2 votes clear him? What vote counts are you looking at?

Crap, you're right. I remember looking at D1 and thinking, "That doesn't look good for Maniac," but then the D2 vote that Kak dropped on Maniac seemed to be the component I was more reading Maniac as town for.

Yeah, I dunno. I don’t know Kak very well I don’t have a read on if he would vote a scumbuddy like that. I mean, it’s fairly low risk though - so I don’t know I’d give a ton of towncred for it.

And his dismissal of Kak voting for Maniac as being an indicator of town!Maniac is sketch. I don't see why Tom would bother interacting with this conversation at all if Maniac is his teammate.