M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

Why do you think Hamilton is 3P?

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

[bozotheclown]

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

Although it is possible, since the other mafia might have been considered more hidden. If Tom's claim is false, there are other 3P possibilities.

[kgray]

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

So... Vecna just got lucky that he RB'd scum when scum hit 3P?

[kgray]

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

Although it is possible, since the other mafia might have been considered more hidden. If Tom's claim is false, there are other 3P possibilities.

What are they? I'm way behind my dude, I need you to spell things out for me please.

[snowy801]

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

So... Vecna just got lucky that he RB'd scum when scum hit 3P?

It is very much looking this way.
Though it is still up in the air whether Brian is actually 3P.

[kgray]

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

So... Vecna just got lucky that he RB'd scum when *a different* scum hit 3P?

corrected I guess

[kgray]

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

So... Vecna just got lucky that he RB'd scum when scum hit 3P?

It is very much looking this way.
Though it is still up in the air whether Brian is actually 3P.

Wait you also think this? Why?

[snowy801]

So... Vecna just got lucky that he RB'd scum when scum hit 3P?

It is very much looking this way.
Though it is still up in the air whether Brian is actually 3P.

Wait you also think this? Why?

Because I was roleblocked.

I do not know why they would send two people to perform a kill and a roleblock which would (waffling a lot of probability theory here and letting down my professors forever) double the chance of discovery.

I imagine it is possible, given that they did exactly that on N1.

[bozotheclown]

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

So... Vecna just got lucky that he RB'd scum when scum hit 3P?

That seems most likely.

[kgray]

It is very much looking this way.
Though it is still up in the air whether Brian is actually 3P.

Wait you also think this? Why?

Because I was roleblocked.

I do not know why they would send two people to perform a kill and a roleblock which would (waffling a lot of probability theory here and letting down my professors forever) double the chance of discovery.

I imagine it is possible, given that they did exactly that on N1.

No but I mean, you think Vecna RB'd worcej, and someone *else* on the scumteam RB'd you, and scum tried to kill 3P!Hamilton who didn't die?

How did we find out Hamilton was a N2 target? Just because Tom said so?

[kgray]

Am I stupid? If Vecna outed scum!worcej because Vecna RB'd worcej and nobody died, how does that at all imply that Hamilton is 3P?

[bozotheclown]

No, I doubt they would send the GF out for the NK.

Although it is possible, since the other mafia might have been considered more hidden. If Tom's claim is false, there are other 3P possibilities.

What are they? I'm way behind my dude, I need you to spell things out for me please.

My 3 top mafia suspects are possibilities, as are you. Vecna is still possible, although he claims to have given away a 3P item, that has not been confirmed.

[snowy801]

Wait you also think this? Why?

Because I was roleblocked.

I do not know why they would send two people to perform a kill and a roleblock which would (waffling a lot of probability theory here and letting down my professors forever) double the chance of discovery.

I imagine it is possible, given that they did exactly that on N1.

No but I mean, you think Vecna RB'd worcej, and someone *else* on the scumteam RB'd you, and scum tried to kill 3P!Hamilton who didn't die?

How did we find out Hamilton was a N2 target? Just because Tom said so?

Essentially yes, on all counts. Tom's word is all we have on Brian being 3P.

It does not particularly matter to me whether or not Tom is telling the truth. I scum read Hamilton Brian extremely hard, and would have pushed to vote him out anyway. I am just now placed in a position of wondering whether he is in fact 3P and priority.

I suppose I could be wrong as well. Stranger things have happened, though earlier brainbomb quite generously accused me of being scum as "absolutely no one is this accurate. with this level of exact narratives of why."

[snowy801]

Am I stupid? If Vecna outed scum!worcej because Vecna RB'd worcej and nobody died, how does that at all imply that Hamilton is 3P?

You aren't stupid. We also believed that worTom was the killer who got rb'd N2.

Tom, before being hammered, claimed that it was mere happenstance and that they shot 3P and just got unlucky with the rb.

Either is possible. It is up to figure out which.

[bozotheclown]

Am I stupid? If Vecna outed scum!worcej because Vecna RB'd worcej and nobody died, how does that at all imply that Hamilton is 3P?

Tom being the GF makes his claim more believable, in my opinion.

Also, can you confirm your item was taken N2?

[bozotheclown]

Am I stupid? If Vecna outed scum!worcej because Vecna RB'd worcej and nobody died, how does that at all imply that Hamilton is 3P?

Tom being the GF makes his claim more believable, in my opinion.

Also, can you confirm your item was taken N2?

Sorry, I meant N3.

[kgray]

Although it is possible, since the other mafia might have been considered more hidden. If Tom's claim is false, there are other 3P possibilities.

What are they? I'm way behind my dude, I need you to spell things out for me please.

My 3 top mafia suspects are possibilities, as are you. Vecna is still possible, although he claims to have given away a 3P item, that has not been confirmed.

omg you are being so unhelpful

Who are your top mafia suspects, and why are they 3P candidates? What item did Vecna claim to give away?

I liked snowy's point that 3P!Vecna wouldn't draw the NK towards him that way. I'm gonna say Vecna's town.

[kgray]

Am I stupid? If Vecna outed scum!worcej because Vecna RB'd worcej and nobody died, how does that at all imply that Hamilton is 3P?

You aren't stupid. We also believed that worTom was the killer who got rb'd N2.

Tom, before being hammered, claimed that it was mere happenstance and that they shot 3P and just got unlucky with the rb.

Either is possible. It is up to figure out which.

I just don't know why Hamilton's name got brought up. Not sure why we're trusting scum!Tom but more importantly, I'm not sure why he targeted Hamilton as the 3P. Was that his "read"?

[snowy801]

Am I stupid? If Vecna outed scum!worcej because Vecna RB'd worcej and nobody died, how does that at all imply that Hamilton is 3P?

You aren't stupid. We also believed that worTom was the killer who got rb'd N2.

Tom, before being hammered, claimed that it was mere happenstance and that they shot 3P and just got unlucky with the rb.

Either is possible. It is up to figure out which.

I just don't know why Hamilton's name got brought up. Not sure why we're trusting scum!Tom but more importantly, I'm not sure why he targeted Hamilton as the 3P. Was that his "read"?

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... 20Bombadil

I don’t want to reveal why HB was targeted. If I wanted to setup a town kill by faking catching third party, I would have picked someone who was on a killing wagon. I don’t know why HB wasn’t on either wagon to get an item. You can ask him.

HB was targeted for reasons non third party related

Some of Tom's last words.

Again, there is no reason to trust Tom's words. It is merely information we have, which we can use or not, depending on our inclination. It is good that you are skeptical, as I personally believe that Hamilton Brian is Tom's teammate, who Tom is attempting to 2nd level conceal.

[snowy801]

I'm afraid it is late, and I need to sleep.

Please feel free to leave any more questions here, and I will attempt to address them as best I can in the morning.

Though I imagine you can trust anything Bob or damo has to say on any matter with reasonable confidence as well.