M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

Oh, a scum teammate could also have picked up the item from bona as he was not around to claim at EoD1. But rdrivera would not personally have held the item when he claimed, which I suppose is not much of a distinction if he was part of the scum team.

[kgray]

You were targeted for the NK N3? Someone saved you?

Why don't you have your item? Did it get stollen or did you give it away?

If scum thinks you're the cop, Rivera isn't scum... yeah?

Scum was merely guessing. I do not believe rdrivera is scum. As cop is a town only start item, I do not believe that conjecture leads to any useful conclusions - if rdrivera is not cop, then he picked it up from celaph during the night kill, I believe. I do not think this happened.
I gave my item away, as I expected to die that night. It was correct to a certain degree, as I was targeted but saved.
BobMcBob confirmed that he saved me with the brown rice (faith healer x3) he was given by Macca the day before. I trust this sequence of events.

Couldn't Rivera also be claiming it for a scumbuddy that got it from Bona? Though, looking at that list on his wagon, seems unlikely that it'd be you, Bob or Vecna.... Would probably have to be Maniac or damo. But why don't you think Rivera picked it up from celaph? It *is* convenient that he didn't provide any useful info...

So you and Bob are both town (or both scum, but like.... probabilistically insignificant) and Macca is probably town too, since they gave lettuce to probably-town!Bob, but is still not conf!town.

[kgray]

Oh shit, Jamie's in this game? lmao

[snowy801]

But why don't you think Rivera picked it up from celaph? It *is* convenient that he didn't provide any useful info...

So you and Bob are both town (or both scum, but like.... probabilistically insignificant) and Macca is probably town too, since they gave lettuce to probably-town!Bob, but is still not conf!town.

1) Because I town read him, and further believe it is very unlikely that the cop was in those two on average.

2) Yes, but apparently damo has a mechanical reason that Bob must be town. I believe that he believes it, but damo has been known to make outlandish claims which he later then retracts. Take that as you will. But Bob is obvtown, if you ask me.

3) Macca did not give lettuce to Bob, they gave brown rice. They are probl!town in my opinion.

[snowy801]

Oh shit, Jamie's in this game? lmao

He is indeed. I firmly believe he is scum. Many people do not follow my belief, going by how D2 went. I do not follow their logic, as Jamiet had no say in how that EoD2 went, but such as it is.

My EoN3 post covers this in detail, if you wish for a lengthier summary.

[kgray]

But why don't you think Rivera picked it up from celaph? It *is* convenient that he didn't provide any useful info...

So you and Bob are both town (or both scum, but like.... probabilistically insignificant) and Macca is probably town too, since they gave lettuce to probably-town!Bob, but is still not conf!town.

1) Because I town read him, and further believe it is very unlikely that the cop was in those two on average.

2) Yes, but apparently damo has a mechanical reason that Bob must be town. I believe that he believes it, but damo has been known to make outlandish claims which he later then retracts. Take that as you will. But Bob is obvtown, if you ask me.

3) Macca did not give lettuce to Bob, they gave brown rice. They are probl!town in my opinion.

Well I'm not going to take your townread of Rivera as gospel until he starts being my spokesperson And every townie got an item so they got something... just as likely they got the cop thing as anything else.

If Bob saved you, he's pretty much conf!town... Doesn't say much about Damo though. I'd have to go back and look, and I'm not gonna do that, but I don't think of him as the white-knighting type.

Yeah I meant the healing thing, got the items confused. Macca doesn't give lettuce, they get it.

[bozotheclown]

2/3 of Vecna, bozo and Rivera are scum. Bet.

Welcome to the game.

[kgray]

2/3 of Vecna, bozo and Rivera are scum. Bet.

Welcome to the game.

bozo! Who's scum?

[snowy801]

Well I'm not going to take your townread of Rivera as gospel until he starts being my spokesperson And every townie got an item so they got something... just as likely they got the cop thing as anything else.

If Bob saved you, he's pretty much conf!town... Doesn't say much about Damo though. I'd have to go back and look, and I'm not gonna do that, but I don't think of him as the white-knighting type.

Yeah I meant the healing thing, got the items confused. Macca doesn't give lettuce, they get it.

Sure.

damo is the doctor claimant, fyi. He also gave me white rice (which I since passed on), so between that and his general play I uh... can't imagine a world where he's lying. If he is scum I believe he truly deserves victory, and would never vote him out unless it's literally him or Bob, in which case I feel like I might pick Bob as town first.

[kgray]

Well I'm not going to take your townread of Rivera as gospel until he starts being my spokesperson And every townie got an item so they got something... just as likely they got the cop thing as anything else.

If Bob saved you, he's pretty much conf!town... Doesn't say much about Damo though. I'd have to go back and look, and I'm not gonna do that, but I don't think of him as the white-knighting type.

Yeah I meant the healing thing, got the items confused. Macca doesn't give lettuce, they get it.

Sure.

damo is the doctor claimant, fyi. He also gave me white rice (which I since passed on), so between that and his general play I uh... can't imagine a world where he's lying. If he is scum I believe he truly deserves victory, and would never vote him out unless it's literally him or Bob, in which case I feel like I might pick Bob as town first.

omg I'm so confused. I thought Macca gave Bob rice?? Did damo say he gave Macca the brown rice?

[snowy801]

omg I'm so confused. I thought Macca gave Bob rice?? Did damo say he gave Macca the brown rice?

It can be overwhelming. It took me a while to truly understand the setup myself.

Macca started with brown rice (faith healer x3), which was given to Bob.
damo started with white rice (doc x2), which was given to me.

[bozotheclown]

2/3 of Vecna, bozo and Rivera are scum. Bet.

Welcome to the game.

bozo! Who's scum?

There are still some interesting possibilities, but the most boring (and most likely) is Jamie and Maniac are mafia and HB is 3P, with foodcoats the first alternate for mafia.

[snowy801]

omg I'm so confused. I thought Macca gave Bob rice?? Did damo say he gave Macca the brown rice?

It can be overwhelming. It took me a while to truly understand the setup myself.

Macca started with brown rice (faith healer x3), which was given to Bob.
damo started with white rice (doc x2), which was given to me.

viewtopic.php?p=248777#p248777

I made a post outlining all the items, since the actual items google doc is very verbose (and was broken on mobile at the time).

I also have one where I have all my notes and conjectures, but am not sure whether revealing that is a good move, as I have private information in there that I have not disclosed.

[kgray]

Welcome to the game.

bozo! Who's scum?

There are still some interesting possibilities, but the most boring (and most likely) is Jamie and Maniac are mafia and HB is 3P, with foodcoats the first alternate for mafia.

Why do you think Hamilton is 3P?

[kgray]

omg I'm so confused. I thought Macca gave Bob rice?? Did damo say he gave Macca the brown rice?

It can be overwhelming. It took me a while to truly understand the setup myself.

Macca started with brown rice (faith healer x3), which was given to Bob.
damo started with white rice (doc x2), which was given to me.

viewtopic.php?p=248777#p248777

I made a post outlining all the items, since the actual items google doc is very verbose (and was broken on mobile at the time).

I also have one where I have all my notes and conjectures, but am not sure whether revealing that is a good move, as I have private information in there that I have not disclosed.

Oh that's great, thanks. Did every item get passed out? And since everyone got an item, I guess some items got passed out more than once. Is there info about which those would be?

[snowy801]

It can be overwhelming. It took me a while to truly understand the setup myself.

Macca started with brown rice (faith healer x3), which was given to Bob.
damo started with white rice (doc x2), which was given to me.

viewtopic.php?p=248777#p248777

I made a post outlining all the items, since the actual items google doc is very verbose (and was broken on mobile at the time).

I also have one where I have all my notes and conjectures, but am not sure whether revealing that is a good move, as I have private information in there that I have not disclosed.

Oh that's great, thanks. Did every item get passed out? And since everyone got an item, I guess some items got passed out more than once. Is there info about which those would be?

There are 17 items and 17 players. There are no duplicates.

[bozotheclown]

bozo! Who's scum?

There are still some interesting possibilities, but the most boring (and most likely) is Jamie and Maniac are mafia and HB is 3P, with foodcoats the first alternate for mafia.

Why do you think Hamilton is 3P?

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

[kgray]

viewtopic.php?p=248777#p248777

I made a post outlining all the items, since the actual items google doc is very verbose (and was broken on mobile at the time).

I also have one where I have all my notes and conjectures, but am not sure whether revealing that is a good move, as I have private information in there that I have not disclosed.

Oh that's great, thanks. Did every item get passed out? And since everyone got an item, I guess some items got passed out more than once. Is there info about which those would be?

There are 17 items and 17 players. There are no duplicates.

yikes, didn't realize I could scroll down your table

[kgray]

There are still some interesting possibilities, but the most boring (and most likely) is Jamie and Maniac are mafia and HB is 3P, with foodcoats the first alternate for mafia.

Why do you think Hamilton is 3P?

Assuming the mafia tried to NK someone N2, there is a good chance they hit the 3P, so Tom's claim is somewhat believable, and the mafia should want to get rid of the 3P before they win. Also, there is reason to believe HB stole your item N3. Can you confirm your item was stolen N3?

Ummm can you explain again what you think happened N2? You don't think Vecna RB'd scum!worcej who was doing the kill?

[snowy801]

Since I expect the question is inevitably coming, here are the current claims for items.

Unknown:
black beans (commute x2)
sofritas (friendly neighbor x2)
steak (day kill x1)
chips (replenisher x2)
pico de gallo (watcher x2)
napkins (mailman)
queso (day hammer)
tortilla (bulletproof x2)

Known:
guac (cop x2) - rdrivera
white rice (doctor x2) - damo
pinto beans (role block x2) - Vecna
brown rice (faith healer x3) - Macca
cheese (fruit vendor) - Kgray
chicken (double vote x2) - Jamiet
corn salsa (tracker x2) - Hamilton Brian
hot salsa (hot potato x2) - snowy
lettuce (jack-of-all-trade) - Maniac

I would go deeper in all known knowledge and speculation on these items and claims, but my friends are yelling at me to stop playing Mafia and pay attention to the Bloons game we're in.