M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Hamilton Brian]

Anyone else feel like not hammering the day just to get fish modkilled?

If he doesn't show his face, that is.

I would rather not. I've stated why before, but again...unknown alignment coming back in. Since I do think lfischl is in the mafia pool, I think we can line up Tom D4 and lfischl D5. Maybe. I'm not the clearest mind here in long game stuff.

What pros do you see?

[Hamilton Brian]

So here are my thoughts so far on where the players stand.

Welcome to take questions.

Town Pool: Vecna, Maniac, Macca, Jamie, Damo, myself
Uncertain but assuming town: Snowy, Food, Bozo,
Uncertain: Bob
Mafia: Worcej/Tom, lfischl,


I think, because this was worked through yesterday, that a lot of this came from looking at the votes on D1 and D2. Others come from tone of posts.

Not even thinking 3P in any of this.

[Tom Bombadil]

Is this fischs first mafia game?

[snowy801]

Fuck lurkers. Seriously.

I mean real lurkers, not Kaka lurkers (scum) or rdrivera lurkers (he's obviously popping his head in daily).

You made a god damn commitment to 17 people. Live up to it. Doesn't matter how busy you are, anyone can spare 20 minutes a day. You probably take a shit longer than that per day, flip out your phone.

[snowy801]

Is this fischs first mafia game?

Don't think so, they were talking about him (I think Eden was?) in the mafia discord as though there was a history.

[Tom Bombadil]

This seems out of character for snowy, but I haven’t been around in a while so I dunno.

I mean, I mostly agree - but still

[snowy801]

Tom, as my day is ruined and my disappointment immeasurable, I avail myself to take any questions you have to help you catch up.

[Hamilton Brian]

Is this fischs first mafia game?

No. Was in 67 for sure.

[damo666]

I believe that intends to say that both beans will stop the theft, and thus the theft cannot prevent use.

A commutes B. 3p (C) steals from A. Is B commuted?

Commute is not targeted. It is a self-commute activated for a night phase during the previous day.

sorry, my bad

change the verb to 'roleblocks'. Is B roleblocked? I'm guessing it's no.

[Tom Bombadil]

Tom, as my day is ruined and my disappointment immeasurable, I avail myself to take any questions you have to help you catch up.

Ok.

So I’ve read the thread, but catching up is always different than being in the moment in terms of understanding how people impact the flow of the game.

D2 seems quite interesting. Do you think it was scum v scum at some point (either Jamie or lfish) or do you think the Kak wagon happened fast enough to catch scum in a bad spot?

[damo666]

Anyone else feel like not hammering the day just to get fish modkilled?

If he doesn't show his face, that is.

I have to leave my vote because I will soon be off grid but agree don't hammer prematurely please.

[Tom Bombadil]

I know I have limited time, so I’m trying to focus more on vca etc, compared to mechanics. I’ll trust someone who is more or less towncleared to air out mechanics stuff

[Hamilton Brian]

##Unvote

Just to make certain although I am just one vote. I will most likely be around EOD so I can go back to the No Kill.

[Tom Bombadil]

I take it we have an automatic hammer?

[snowy801]

Tom, as my day is ruined and my disappointment immeasurable, I avail myself to take any questions you have to help you catch up.

Ok.

So I’ve read the thread, but catching up is always different than being in the moment in terms of understanding how people impact the flow of the game.

D2 seems quite interesting. Do you think it was scum v scum at some point (either Jamie or lfish) or do you think the Kak wagon happened fast enough to catch scum in a bad spot?

At the time, I obviously believed Jamiet was unlikely to be scum. I do not believe that entire setup looks TvT, but I thought that now.

You would of course disagree, but in retrospect I now strongly suspect that you (blame worcej for being bad at drawing roles) are scum, and so I put Jamiet (scum) in a hard spot in either looking real bad voting out lfischl for no reason, or choosing between two scum flash wagons.

I don't think the Kak wagon happened fast to catch out scum, I think it happened slowly but solidly enough that scum was afraid to overtly disturb its momentum.

I think someone pointed out that it was somewhat revealing how hestitant Jamiet was in switching his vote, when everyone was clear that they would not let him be voted out that day. I also think it is revealing (in a good way) that damo neatly switched the flash wagon to scum, though if you turn out to be scum as well that's a slightly less good look. Still really good though, as he was the first to impart moment to the flash wagon to begin with, and he's uncontested doctor.

[Hamilton Brian]

I take it we have an automatic hammer?

With the spinach (which Macca activated).

"Spinach: if Spinach is eaten, on the following day, the person who ate it will be able to challenge someone. Doing so will reset all votes and limit that day’s voting to the challenger, challenged, and no kill. If any of these options reaches a majority, the day will be hammered."

We had queso as well but that was already used.

[Chaqa]

A commutes B. 3p (C) steals from A. Is B commuted?

Commute is not targeted. It is a self-commute activated for a night phase during the previous day.

sorry, my bad

change the verb to 'roleblocks'. Is B roleblocked? I'm guessing it's no.

If:

Player A roleblocked Player B with the pinto beans
Player C (3P) steals pinto beans from Player A

The result would be:
Player B is roleblocked
Player A's beans are stolen by Player C

[snowy801]

I do not believe that entire setup looks TvT, but I thought that now.

I don't know how this abomination of a sentence came to be. What I mean to say is that I believed at the time that the setup looked TvT, but I do not think so now. (I probably meant to say the two ideas in the opposite order but didn't switch the negation)

[Hamilton Brian]

I do not believe that entire setup looks TvT, but I thought that now.

I don't know how this abomination of a sentence came to be. What I mean to say is that I believed at the time that the setup looked TvT, but I do not think so now. (I probably meant to say the two ideas in the opposite order but didn't switch the negation)

Something that stood out to me as looking around that D2 vote that I thought would certainly clear Jamie was Kak's vote on them with 2.5 hours to go. Does one mafia member bus like that, knowing they're going to be absent, or does that team risk it and think, "It's only one of us, there's three left."

[Hamilton Brian]

But I also thought your, and bozo's, votes looked weird. Bozo went to lfischl so late in the phase (sayig they preferred lfischl over kak) and offering some defense of kak as "they completed my reads list." Makes me somewhat more skeptical of Bozo in that light.

Your move to Worcej, and not returning to Kak like you said you would, ...? But then I do think you explained that earlier.