M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Tom Bombadil]

All right - can someone give a quick easy rationale for the no kill/unvote strategy going on? Like cliff notes so I know where to start as I read the last many pages. Thanks.

[snowy801]

All right - can someone give a quick easy rationale for the no kill/unvote strategy going on? Like cliff notes so I know where to start as I read the last many pages. Thanks.

Macca received, and activated, the following item on me earlier today:

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Spinach: if Spinach is eaten, on the following day, the person who ate it will be able to challenge someone. Doing so will reset all votes and limit that day’s voting to the challenger, challenged, and no kill. If any of these options reaches a majority, the day will be hammered.

As we do not expect Macca to be scum (among many assorted mechanical/meta reasons), we are simply letting her live.

Fortunately, this gives you the one phase you asked for to participate!

[snowy801]

Sorry, them*
Overcorrecting is also an issue.

[BobMcBob]

full warning im probably gonna end up voting macca because i won't be around at eod and no kill is uncomfortably close to hammering

[damo666]

Another way Tom could be town is if the NK target was 3p.

But the fact Vecna RBd Tom (and Tom says he was RBd) and there was no NK just means the likelihood of Tom being scum is a fair bit higher than any other player. Also his silence since is not good.

In the absence of anything else coming to light Tom has to be 2m's kill.

Ah yes, possible. I would hope that if we were to successfully catch all scum, the last one would reveal any knowledge they collectively had on 3P (from a purely utilitarian point of view, 12 > 1) but I suppose that's up to them.

From a pure chance perspective random kill on commute/3P assuming commute was active at 1-(10/11*10/11) is... actually higher than I expected. 17%, eh?

Still think it's Tom though.

Assuming Macca and I are telling the truth we know ghug wasn't saved so we can ignore that.

At start of night it was 10:3:1 so

The chance of the killer being commuted 1/13
Chance target commuted 1/13
Chance 3p was targeted (12/13)^2*(1/11)

These total approx 23%. So chance Tom scum 73%.

After tonight we will (probably) be 8:3:1 so from a town pov chance of hitting scum at random is 4/11.

So on the face of it Tom is the obvious kill.

Even if you allow for say 3 quasi clears it's 50% v 73%.

Tom needs to be pretty damn convincing (a complete solution will suffice lol) to survive.

[Chaqa]

@GM

what is the adjudication order wrt giving, stealing, saving please.

Could you clarify your question?

1. A donates item to B but 3rd party steals item. Where does it end up?
2. C uses item but 3rd part steals it. Does the item use have effect or is the steal first?

There's some confusion here.

Giving away items (except when giving a serving to a player, which is considered using the item) happens at the end of the Day phase. You may change your item give orders up until EoD.

Items are not given away instantaneously during the day, but instead at EoD. The only exception is if a player is day-shot by Steak. That player's item(s) would go to the person who shot them.

Item Stealing happens during the night phase. From the setup post:

Each night, choose a player and an item. If the chosen player has that item, you will steal it, preventing them from using it.

In retrospect, I wish I had included a more detailed order of adjudcation in the thread, but roughly it can be viewed as:

Commute -> Roleblock -> Item Steal -> (all other actions) -> Hot Potato

[damo666]

All right - can someone give a quick easy rationale for the no kill/unvote strategy going on? Like cliff notes so I know where to start as I read the last many pages. Thanks.

Macca received, and activated, the following item on me earlier today:

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Spinach: if Spinach is eaten, on the following day, the person who ate it will be able to challenge someone. Doing so will reset all votes and limit that day’s voting to the challenger, challenged, and no kill. If any of these options reaches a majority, the day will be hammered.

As we do not expect Macca to be scum (among many assorted mechanical/meta reasons), we are simply letting her live.

Fortunately, this gives you the one phase you asked for to participate!

Apart from the fact that we think this is TvT we don't want 3p getting Macca's [puported] rice in the event they are killed.

[Jamiet99uk]

So, if Macca has given away his item there is no risk of the 3P stealing it at this point in time unless the 3P then robs the person who got the item from Macca today.

[Jamiet99uk]

Lfischl has gone back to being a complete absentee.

This bothers me.

[damo666]

Could you clarify your question?

1. A donates item to B but 3rd party steals item. Where does it end up?
2. C uses item but 3rd part steals it. Does the item use have effect or is the steal first?

There's some confusion here.

Giving away items (except when giving a serving to a player, which is considered using the item) happens at the end of the Day phase. You may change your item give orders up until EoD.

Items are not given away instantaneously during the day, but instead at EoD. The only exception is if a player is day-shot by Steak. That player's item(s) would go to the person who shot them.

Item Stealing happens during the night phase. From the setup post:

Each night, choose a player and an item. If the chosen player has that item, you will steal it, preventing them from using it.

In retrospect, I wish I had included a more detailed order of adjudcation in the thread, but roughly it can be viewed as:

Commute -> Roleblock -> Item Steal -> (all other actions) -> Hot Potato

There's a contradiction here. From the set up you quote theft prevents use but both beans' effect occur before the theft.

[snowy801]

There's a contradiction here. From the set up you quote theft prevents use but both beans' effect occur before the theft.

I believe that intends to say that both beans will stop the theft, and thus the theft cannot prevent use.

[damo666]

So, if Macca has given away his item there is no risk of the 3P stealing it at this point in time unless the 3P then robs the person who got the item from Macca today.

Quite. 3p would need to correctly guess the donee. What fun!

[Hamilton Brian]

Apart from the fact that we think this is TvT we don't want 3p getting Macca's [puported] rice in the event they are killed.

If need be I can pull my vote back to Unvote to avoid hammering?

[damo666]

There's a contradiction here. From the set up you quote theft prevents use but both beans' effect occur before the theft.

I believe that intends to say that both beans will stop the theft, and thus the theft cannot prevent use.

A commutes B. 3p (C) steals from A. Is B commuted?

[Hamilton Brian]

Lfischl has gone back to being a complete absentee.

This bothers me.

Still falling into my mafie pool; the "nah, it can't be" thinking is that it is just a bad play because as mafia more's to be gained through creating the confusion/dissension. But, I guess there's not much of an internal drive to execute them.

[Chaqa]

There's a contradiction here. From the set up you quote theft prevents use but both beans' effect occur before the theft.

I believe that intends to say that both beans will stop the theft, and thus the theft cannot prevent use.

This is correct.

[snowy801]

There's a contradiction here. From the set up you quote theft prevents use but both beans' effect occur before the theft.

I believe that intends to say that both beans will stop the theft, and thus the theft cannot prevent use.

A commutes B. 3p (C) steals from A. Is B commuted?

I'm confused by A commutes B. Commute in the form of beans is self use.

[Chaqa]

There's a contradiction here. From the set up you quote theft prevents use but both beans' effect occur before the theft.

I believe that intends to say that both beans will stop the theft, and thus the theft cannot prevent use.

A commutes B. 3p (C) steals from A. Is B commuted?

Commute is not targeted. It is a self-commute activated for a night phase during the previous day.

[Chaqa]

Mafia 69 Day 3 Vote Count 1:{/b] Russell Crowe Edition

No-Kill (4): Maniac, damo666, Jamiet99uk, Hamilton Brian
snowy801 (1): Macca573

Not voting: BobMcBob, Bozotheclown, foodcoats, lfischl, rdrivera2005, snowy801, Tom Bombadil, Vecna

Not met post requirement: lfischl, Tom Bombadil

If the day is hammered, players will not be penalized for not voting or meeting post requirement.

[snowy801]

Anyone else feel like not hammering the day just to get fish modkilled?

If he doesn't show his face, that is.