MAFIA XXXVII: THE WHEEL OF WEB-TIME

[dargorygel]

##GM NOTE
What were you doing, rdrivera, waiting for me to post the vote count, just so you could change it?

[dargorygel]

Vote Count 3.2
Brainbomb (3) vecna, jamiet99uk, flash2015
Worcej (3) damo666, bozotheclown, rdrivera2015
Jamiet99uk (2) peterlund, DoubtingThomas
Worcej (2) damo666, bozotheclown
Damo666 (1) squiggs44
Squiggs44 (1) brainbomb

0 endvotes
Presently, no one is set to be lynched
Many, many hours remain in the day; but a bit less than last time.
Everyone has posted.
BismarckAlive, Foxcastle, worcej have not voted.

[Vecna]

Actually, fakeclaiming RB as town in a setup with trackers is the most anti-town shit you can do since it means the tracker cannot correctly interpret their results.

[rdrivera2005]

##GM NOTE
What were you doing, rdrivera, waiting for me to post the vote count, just so you could change it?

Sorry for the crosspost Dargo, you know you are my favorite GM.

[Vecna]

I was not RBed. Got no message about being RBed.

Seems mafia are still trying really hard to dodge the tracker/JOAT.

Teacher would know full well it normally is completely optimal to janitor N1 (beause for the rest of the game, town is going to be suspicious of any PR claim). Instead they appear to have chosen a completely safe approach to avoid getting caught by tracking.

Just to clarify, Vecna, are you accusing Peterlund of being scum?

Not sure what made you get that impression, but no. PeterLund is pretty obv-town in my book now.

I guess the things that triggered me to scumread him were because of his cautionary play being a PR.

[rdrivera2005]

Actually, fakeclaiming RB as town in a setup with trackers is the most anti-town shit you can do since it means the tracker cannot correctly interpret their results.

I agree if it wasn't an obvious fake claim, he said he will claim RB anyway before EON1. But I also dislike this play, it introduces a confusion that don't benefit town and I fail to see what is the gain.

[brainbomb]

Teacher says

Lets not lynch bismark thats a modkill
Lets not lynch damo thats a modkill
Lets not lynch Demonrhk thats a modkill

1. Why would scum dismiss 3 town viable lynch havens all as off limits?

2. Why would scum place 2 scum buddies into a (dont touch, thats a modkill) status?

3. Why was meta from m36 relevant to teachers read on RHK, when rhk hadnt even posted yet?

Tldr: one of damo, bismark, squigs has to be scum. Damo ans bismark have made more sense and have been townier than squigs.

Solution: lynch squiggs and follow the vca, the iso of teacher.

Reasoning: scum would never set aside 3 lurking town and make them off limits

[DoubtingThomas]

If I am to agree to lynching Brain, I want Jamie lynched as well if brain doesnt flip scum

Brain is making a good point about damo, who I see a little scummy as well

[brainbomb]

Im arguing squigs is scum and damo is town

[brainbomb]

Squigs44
Day-2 28:29
page 45 This is through post 893:

1. BismarckAlive: Null
Lurked. His few posts have seemed genuine to me. I can definitely tell it’s his first forum mafia game though. His vote on peter was the last of that wagon before it dissapated, so if peter is mafia, it is highly unlikely BA is as well.

2. Bozo: Town Lean
Hasn’t posted a ton, but what he has posted hasnt raised any red flags. His voting D1 makes me lean town on him. First to thedip, later switched to peter, but explained it as a better alternative to lynching BB, then flipped back to thedip once that wagon was a more viable option.

3. Brainbomb: What his name implies, a bomb
I can’t get a read on Brainbomb. Everytime I think I have a good idea of why he does things, he switches it up. He is a master at WIFOM as well. Part of me thinks he is the SK and didn’t kill Yav on purpose so that people were more likely to think he isnt SK. But again, this is all WIFOM. The only way we are going to know his role is once he turns up dead (or the end of the game if he survives). Once he is dead, that gives us a whole lot of information since he has been one of the focuses of the game. Wouldn’t mind lynching him for that reason, but I think there are better options that are more likely to be scum, so ##Unvote Brainbomb

4. Damo666: Null / Scumlean
Day 1 he was not active at all, and voted without much explanation. Jumped on the BB wagon with his vote, then tried to jump on the worcej wagon, then finally settled on the peter wagon. All of his votes were to jump on wagons. Then accuses those that jumped on thedip wagon, specifically peter and worcej. Later in the game when we know more identities this could be very telling. @Damo - I would like to hear your thoughts on more players. Also, if you could provide some more original thoughts rather than jumping on wagons without explanation that would be great.

5. Squigs44: Only guy I can trust in this whole game

6. DoubtingThomas: Null / Scumlean
The newbiest of all the newbs. Either he is scum trying not to screw up and get killed, or he is a scared first time player. Hasn’t scum hunted at all. Just following along with everyone else. @DoubtingThomas - Why don’t you stop following along and worrying about what people think and post some of your original thoughts about who is scum and why

7. DrCJG : Rip

8. Flash2015 : Slight town
Has shown the most effort from the newbs. Everything he says makes sense and is justified. However, his only real reads I have seen have been: lynch BB cause he is lying. He flipped his vote to thedip because “the final choice wasn't horrible as thedipplayer wasn't making much of an effort anyway”, and also, “I didn't feel like I could influence the lynch much at the end because I didn't have any strong reads on anyone apart from BB”. So his flip to thedip seems just a little off to me. Why switch if it doesn’t make a difference? Seems like he might be hedging here. Town read for me for his effort and involvement, but would like to see him put himself out there a little more with reads on everyone. I’m still keeping my eye on you.

9. Foxcastle: Slight town
After rereading through him again, I actually like him a lot more. The beginning of his game I still dislike. Talked about game mechanics and joked around. But once it got into crunch time end of day 1, he was thinking critically. He called people out for how they were voting, questioning people’s reasonings and pointing out inconsistencies. He didn’t vote on any of the wagons which I like, but it also makes his vote inconsequential. Normally I would think this is scummy, but considering how hard he pushed a no-lynch, I think this is consistent with his playstyle.

10. Jamiet99uk: Null
Tunnelling way too hard. Of course there was his Brainbomb explosion at the beginning of the game, but after posting his reads somewhat early on, he has posted twice 3,9,11,14 without an explanation as if that is the unalterable truth. Has been less active now that him and BB have stopped fighting. It’s hard for me to decide if his emotional and reactive play is just his authentic townie play style, or if he is frustrated scum.

11. Peterlund: Town lean
I don’t know why he had a wagon on him D1. His comment about Jamie and BB going at each other being an act was not scummy at all IMO. It’s a very real strategy that I have seen used before. After the wagon got on him, he remained calm, and actually mounted a good argument against Teacher, which I really like. The only red flag here is he was the one to flip the vote to thedip. Given that his vote on teacher wasn’t going to accomplish anything, it looks like he probably just wanted a useful vote that would break the tie.

12. RagingIke: Rip

13. Rdrivera2005: Town
Low poster, but quality posts. Keeps a level head and doesn’t get caught up in some of the drama that other players do like the worcej wagon or the jamie-bb interaction. Makes a good post about Fox. Would like to see more activity from him, but honestly I like all of his posts.

14. Teacher2: Slight Town
I like him a lot more than my last reads post. He has been one of the most active posters, and at least after D1, they are good posts. Asks a lot of questions, digs things up, and posts reads. I still am wary of his D1 play, and his analytics, so only a slight town.


15. Thedipplayer: Rip

16. Vecna: Scum
His page 15 reads have comments on all his town or null reads, but no explanation on his scum reads. And since then he hasnt really posted much to scum hunt. This comment on page 23: “just know all the people with a lot of experience are telling you to vote peterLund” is very scummy to me.

17. Worcej: Scum
His reads post on page 25 seems to be more a comment on play styles than anything else. He puts his read as null on peter, but then jumps on the peter wagon with his vote? Then flips to thedip which causes that wagon to tie, and eventually wins. His comment of “saw this one coming” after thedip died is also scummy. If you saw it coming why did you vote for him?
(Vote worcej removed)

18. Yavuzovic: Scum lean
See previous arguments against Yav. Basically he has tunnelled on BB and has been static this game. Add to that the fact that he has been very quiet lately and he is still a scum lean for me.

[DoubtingThomas]

Im arguing squigs is scum and damo is town

sorry, on mobile. That's what I meant, as I have claimed something similar in the past when I just started to promote Teacher lynch

What is it about squiggs that pings your scumdetector, DoubtingThomas?

nothing much, personally feel like he's playing well like a townie.

just thinking maybe the reason why teacher didn't want demon lynched is because he was a scum, meanwhile he was the biggest influencer in lynching thedip, another lurker

[brainbomb]

This is very very scum indicative reads

[DoubtingThomas]

[*]I strongly feel like Brain is town, regardless of the trolling he provided. If he isn't town, I know more than likely I will be excoriated for this claim but so be it down the road.

Why is Brain a strong town read to you?

[*]Looking at peter's posts so far, none of them have been responsive to any real questions and they seem to be deflective. D1 was anti-teacher/Vecna due to their initial reads. Then D2 was meh: First was the random Damo comment, second was the Vecna 'gosh he tunnels me', and finally claimed he would provide a read list near EoD2.[/list]

My posts have been worse than responsive, but why is peter a scum and why am i being ignored??

am i secretly night killed and ?? seems like everyone is not just ignoring my posts but my existence

I agree with Vec that this shifts my outlook of doubtingThomas over to the town side. My main problem with DT was that he cared about what other people thought of him and was trying to make sure he looked good to everyone else. Right here I think he showed us that he really just doesn't want to be left out. If he was worried about looking good in front of everyone he would not have posted this.
That combined with his increased effort in scumhunting has me shifting him to town lean.

Just noticed something too.

Squigs agrees to whatever teacher was saying

1) When teacher accuses me of being a newbie scum, squigs joins
2) When I start to actually post stuff and teacher is one of the only people to acknowledge my change of playstyle, squigs is the only one who agrees with him. Others who I put at town lean (fox and vec are careful to quickly change their minds of me like this at that point of the game)

Although squigs did seem like a pretty townie guy, this kind of reactions towards teacher makes my suspicions rise

[brainbomb]

Squigs44
Day-2 00:25
page 62 Oh shoot this is getting good. One flipped vote changes everything. Alright, some good points made about Peter over teacher but I don't have time to do a full reread of them on mobile. Anyone care to summarize the case against Peter and teacher here? I'll try to start digging a little myself.
Page 63 : g=37&part=Day%202&user=Squigs44

Squigs44
Day-2 00:15
page 63
↑peterlund: "My case against Teacher:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=54-&g=37 (http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=54-&g=37)"
Honestly a lot of this seems OMGUS and based on meta. That doesn't help me much.

Its never clear where or why squigs had a townlean on teacher and suddenly joins teacher 7th. And thinks teacher is scummier than peter.



Several hours earlier.....

Squigs44
Day-2 00:52
page 59 Probably my last post before EOD. I have an appointment that will probably end right around EOD. Still like my vote on worcej, although I would prefer teacher over Peter at this point.


Squigs44
Day-2 00:37
page 60
↑rdrivera2005: "I confess that from the three leading wagons Worcej is the one that give me moreacum vibes, but I don't like the people ..."
Slightly offended rdrivera, but if worcej is falling apart then %#Vote teacher to help prevent ties.
My appointment fell through so I should be here (on mobile) till EOD.

[Foxcastle]

Teacher says

Lets not lynch bismark thats a modkill
Lets not lynch damo thats a modkill
Lets not lynch Demonrhk thats a modkill

1. Why would scum dismiss 3 town viable lynch havens all as off limits?

2. Why would scum place 2 scum buddies into a (dont touch, thats a modkill) status?

3. Why was meta from m36 relevant to teachers read on RHK, when rhk hadnt even posted yet?

Tldr: one of damo, bismark, squigs has to be scum. Damo ans bismark have made more sense and have been townier than squigs.

Solution: lynch squiggs and follow the vca, the iso of teacher.

Reasoning: scum would never set aside 3 lurking town and make them off limits

Or they're all town, and Teacher hoped that they would all be modkilled for not posting, and then he'd help lynch thedipplayer (a newbie, low information lynch who wasn't even around to defend himself), and then with 2 night kills, town would be down 6 in the first phase (modulo the traitor).

Or teacher hoped that if they did show up, they'd be lazy town lurkers and ultimately be deadweight later on in the game.

I think if two of the D1 non-posters had been scum, then Teacher would have put them all in the off-limits pool together, because at least then he has a chance that they'll show up.

Your third question is pretty valid, though.

[brainbomb]

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[flash2015]

Squiggs44 only joined the site a few days ago **just** for this game. I am curious. Squiggs44 - how did you find this game? Who suggested that you join?

[DoubtingThomas]

Squiggs44 only joined the site a few days ago **just** for this game. I am curious. Squiggs44 - how did you find this game? Who suggested that you join?

I don't think he joined just for this

He's in one of my diplo games

[flash2015]

Squiggs44 only joined the site a few days ago **just** for this game. I am curious. Squiggs44 - how did you find this game? Who suggested that you join?

I don't think he joined just for this

He's in one of my diplo games

His first post in the forum was July 12. When did your dip game start?

[DoubtingThomas]

Squiggs44 only joined the site a few days ago **just** for this game. I am curious. Squiggs44 - how did you find this game? Who suggested that you join?

I don't think he joined just for this

He's in one of my diplo games

His first post in the forum was July 12. When did your dip game start?

July 12