M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

If we miskill Macca I think we will only have 1 mk left.

Somebody please check.

[snowy801]

If we miskill Macca I think we will only have 1 mk left.

Somebody please check.

We're currently 9/3/1.

Assuming no saves, a Macca miskill vs. no kill is the difference between mylo and lylo in two days.

9/3/1 -> 7/3/1 -> 5/3/1
vs.
9/3/1 -> 8/3/1 -> 6/3/1

Of course, if Macca isn't a miskill this entire dialogue changes, but I'm not going to soft sell the fact that I don't believe that just to get my way.

I am not sure what you mean by path to victory, unless you want me to somehow predict successful votes. There will be no appreciable difference between the two, I believe, barring a successful save/BP (entirely possible) except for the fact of not having Macca around anymore.

[TheMadMonarch]

snowy shot ghug.

##VOTE snowy

Oh, now the plot thickens

Hmm I just noticed this.

##UNVOTE

@Macca are you claiming something specific when you say snowy shot ghug? Or is this just your guess?

No, I'm not claiming anything.

I beleived it when I said it. I'm less sure now, but more than I was 12 hours ago.

[TheMadMonarch]

?????

Obv-town?

what?

where?

I think Maccas reaction to being silenced where they thought it was scum!Snowy trying to silence him struck me as a town reaction akin to confirming their current bias. Macca has now challenged snowy and again confirmed their own bias. Macca has somehow got themselves believing that scum!Snowy silenced him and then gave them the spinach risking a challenge on scum!snowy, it’s so bad that it can only be town. Scum!team wouldn’t allow scum!Macca to play that bad. They’d realise Scum!Macca would likely lose to Town!Snowy.

You have a point here. If any town have the lettuce he should claim right now.

##vote nokill

Please. I'd love to know who did this to me.

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, since you all are so keen on no kill anyway I have a proposal:

damo, rdrivera, maybe Tom Bomb votes Macca (3)
Macca will stubbornly vote me instead of doing the right thing because, I don't know, they were born to throw mafia games or something (1)

Literally everyone else "unvote"s.

We'll know who a non-town is if they tie or get me killed at EoD I guess, or we'll know no 3P is on the wagon.

Isn't it obligatory to vote?

Yes, "unvote" is a valid vote, that will not overpower the kill votes unlike "no vote / no kill"

Are you sure?

This is the standard rule unless it has been changed since I left the Council:

1. You MUST cast a vote at least once during each day phase. You may vote and then 'unvote' (see below) if you change your mind as the Day progresses, however you may not end the phase with an 'unvote' in place. Anyone violating this rule will be modkilled unless there are very extenuating circumstances. Ending the day with a vote on “No Kill” is permitted. During each day phase, every player MUST make at least two game-related posts. The GMs will use reasonable discretion when applying this rule.

[damo666]

Decision made.

##vote Macca

I'm pretty sure Macca has an activated tortilla and therefore has BP and won't die anyway.

There is an outside chance he is 3p in which case we need him to lose a BP.

A BP 3p would be immensely powerful.

Assuming I'm right it doesn't matter who votes for Macca so we may as well get on with it.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think I know what item Macca has.

Care to share?

Okay.

I think he has the tortilla chip armour.

[Jamiet99uk]

Decision made.

##vote Macca

I'm pretty sure Macca has an activated tortilla and therefore has BP and won't die anyway.

There is an outside chance he is 3p in which case we need him to lose a BP.

A BP 3p would be immensely powerful.

Assuming I'm right it doesn't matter who votes for Macca so we may as well get on with it.

Aha, I see you independently reached the same conclusion as me.

[damo666]

A BP Macca would also explain why they were so hung ho at issuing the challenge.

[TheMadMonarch]

@macca please explain your thought process behind using the spinach
what was it that made you decide to actually use the spinach, and to use it on snowy?

My original plan was to use it on snowy with one minute to go, and then Vote Snowy. Do I still scumread him, yes. When I logged on this morning, the first thing I read was the PM. This made me quite annoyed as it had messed up my plans, and as I've mentioned before, I really hate not using things. Given that it was supposed to be used significantly earlier (and would have been at the time the GM call was made), I deemed it unfair to look beyond that point, and I made the call immediately. To me, reading all of that, and then making a decision would have been cheating.

I've had my doubts about snowy for a while. Upon further reading, the opening scumslip was not technically a scumslip, but a mistake I can see scum likely making, and town rather unlikely. I haven't particularly liked their play since. The most recent thing to this pile (although they have been doing it most-all game), is that I don't believe someone would be such a prick without an ulterior motive. In the end, it was almost a vindictive decision. Almost.

Hope that clears it up a little.

[damo666]

*gung ho lol

[Jamiet99uk]

I agree with Damo.

##Vote Macca 573

[TheMadMonarch]

To damo and Jamie.

Firstly, they. It's really not that hard, you've never known me any other way.


Secondly, no? The tortilla would not protect you from a DK. That is OP. I asked the question because I was formulating some ideas about what happened to last night's RB.

[TheMadMonarch]

I address this question to Bob and Vecna, they are the only players I trust right now.

Should I claim my item? If I'm not getting killed, is it necessary? Am I going to get killed now (see: what Jamie and damo have just done)? If I do claim, I will throw it to someone.

[rdrivera2005]

Yes, "unvote" is a valid vote, that will not overpower the kill votes unlike "no vote / no kill"

Really? You're allowed to end an unhammered day on unvote?

Yes. Damo (and rdrivera if you're still here) can you unvote right now anyway, so nobody not paying attention doesn't randomly stroll in, instinctively votes no vote and hammers the day? We're at 5/7

##unvote

Catching up

[damo666]

To damo and Jamie.

Firstly, they. It's really not that hard, you've never known me any other way.


Secondly, no? The tortilla would not protect you from a DK. That is OP. I asked the question because I was formulating some ideas about what happened to last night's RB.

Why do you think tortilla would not protect against dk?

[TheMadMonarch]

To damo and Jamie.

Firstly, they. It's really not that hard, you've never known me any other way.


Secondly, no? The tortilla would not protect you from a DK. That is OP. I asked the question because I was formulating some ideas about what happened to last night's RB.

Why do you think tortilla would not protect against dk?

It seems to OP. Especially considering it never just wears off. The wording "kill attempted on you", also makes it seem NK specific.

[BobMcBob]

I address this question to Bob and Vecna, they are the only players I trust right now.

Should I claim my item? If I'm not getting killed, is it necessary? Am I going to get killed now (see: what Jamie and damo have just done)? If I do claim, I will throw it to someone.

i already asked you for this info and asked jamie to share his theory, so it should go without saying
but yes, i would like you to claim your item

[rdrivera2005]

If we miskill Macca I think we will only have 1 mk left.

Somebody please check.

Yes, and if we no-kill we also only have one unless some NK doesn't happen.

[Jamiet99uk]

To damo and Jamie.

Firstly, they. It's really not that hard, you've never known me any other way.


Secondly, no? The tortilla would not protect you from a DK. That is OP. I asked the question because I was formulating some ideas about what happened to last night's RB.

Firstly, sorry.

Secondly, I've just checked and it says it protects you from the next kill that would otherwise kill you. Nothing in the item description says it is only active at night or some such restriction.