M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Anyways, ill catch up tomorrow.

Please dont hammer yet, lets take the full day. Havent input my item transfer and wanna take another look with a clear mind at the game.

[Vecna]

##vote Tom Bombadil

[Hamilton Brian]

If Tom flips the hooker, youre confirmed scum, since the hooker could not have roleblocked anyone the night they were roleblocked themselves.....

"...you may tamper with someone’s food. This player will fall ill and be unable to use any item or ability (passive abilities still work)." Also affects the 3P since they don't have immunity to it.

I had to reread snowy's rb statement a couple of times. They didn't claim a block, just that they were the target of the NK?

But Damo didn't attempt a save of Snowy.

I think I am getting a bunch of things mixed up so I better go read something else.

[bozotheclown]

I've missed a few pages but has Bozo explained how he thinks Mafia sent him a message about a fake Ghug guilty and then immediately shot Ghug?

I still don't get it.

I think both of those things are more likely to have been done by mafia. As to why they would do both, I had a few ideas, but that is just speculation. Maybe you did it so you could accuse me fabricating the message.

[bozotheclown]

If Tom flips the hooker, youre confirmed scum, since the hooker could not have roleblocked anyone the night they were roleblocked themselves.....

Oh dear! If that's true, I better hope Tom doesn't flip hooker!

I dunno, I think Chaqa (the GM) disagrees with you there. Though admittedly I'm having trouble interpreting his message.

Yeah, apparently this game uses funny resolution. I stand corrected

It does sound like if the hooker performed the RB and NK and was roleblocked, the RB would go through and the NK would not, which is not what I originally assumed.

[Hamilton Brian]

Sorry, slow as a dry shit here so apologies if you've already made these connections but I think I need to get them written down to a) disconfirm this notion that I am not trying to hunt for scum and b) might be a good record to have of my conclusions.

Just running through a VCA of D1 but something that really stood out to me would be: Kak voted for ghug and then for Maniac. As absent as Kak professed to be, would they drop a vote on a teammate if they're not going to be around? I think that'd be a tough play.

More town or at least less-mafia points for Maniac. 3P? Well, the last minute hop to Bona, since we know ghug and celaph are town, might suggest 3P.

[Maniac]

IMPORTANT:

There are 13 players left, Jamie may still have double vote and there could be a zero vote in play.

What we don't need is 12 players on Tom and the 3P gaining his item if it's on the list. We also don't want mafia gaining his item.

So we need a way of picking say 4-5 people we have town reads on to vote for TOM and everyone else unvoting.

I'm sure we can find a way of limiting where WorTom's item goes. It could be that they has more than one item if they have been doing the killing.

[Hamilton Brian]

Maniac would you resist jumping on the Tom wagon if it does go through?

And since I know I am a middling to scumread, I'll carry forth.

##Unvote

[Chaqa]

If Tom flips the hooker, youre confirmed scum, since the hooker could not have roleblocked anyone the night they were roleblocked themselves.....

Oh dear! If that's true, I better hope Tom doesn't flip hooker!

I dunno, I think Chaqa (the GM) disagrees with you there. Though admittedly I'm having trouble interpreting his message.

Yeah, apparently this game uses funny resolution. I stand corrected

Simultaneous actions never cancel each other.

See: mafia and vigilante shooting each other the same night

[bozotheclown]

With the item copier out of the game, there is little reason to not claim used items since they can be given away to keep them away from the 3P. It would be nice to know who started with the commute and neighbor items.

[rdrivera2005]

Good point. I think it could be ghug. To eliminate that possibilty the cop really should claim.

If ghug were cop we should note he said he knew Jamie was scum. Jamie could've bussed kak.

Cop please claim to get me out of this particular rabbit hole.

This will probably just get me killed, but I am the Cop (in fact I am a Chipotle employees who have the Guac since start).

I wasn't roleblocked and I use it only N1 on Celaph (who obviously scanned as innocent). I just missed using it last night. The only good news is that it still have one use and I can give it to someone less useless.

Why did you choose celaph N1?

Because he was flying under the radar. I have first considered to use on Snowy, but thought he might be sorted one way or another.

[rdrivera2005]

Just wondering on a range from impossible to certain that the cop wouldn't use the scan if they still had it.

Is there a world where town would alternate their use of an item/skill? What would the pros of such an action be?

I just feel like Rivera's claim is dubious, but if no one else claims the role before EOD then I guess it's a clear. Unless ghug was the cop.

I can almost clear myself giving my item to someone having still one use, so I don't see any reason to focus on me today. I just need to give it to a town and a not so obvious one, which is the hardest part.

[Hamilton Brian]

Just wondering on a range from impossible to certain that the cop wouldn't use the scan if they still had it.

Is there a world where town would alternate their use of an item/skill? What would the pros of such an action be?

I just feel like Rivera's claim is dubious, but if no one else claims the role before EOD then I guess it's a clear. Unless ghug was the cop.

I can almost clear myself giving my item to someone having still one use, so I don't see any reason to focus on me today. I just need to give it to a town and a not so obvious one, which is the hardest part.

Alright. I think that makes sense.

[bozotheclown]

The replenisher is still an issue, if a town member has it I suggest they use it if they haven't already before the mafia get it.

[rdrivera2005]

At this point, there is no point in not voting Tom.

##vote Tom

I can unvote later if you guys don't trust me.

Just please don't end the day as I have still to give my item to someone.

[snowy801]

Trying to figure out the status of all the items.

This is pretty hard, but I think we've been given enough information to actually work it out. If not today, then tomorrow (though I expect today will be the great item shuffle)

[snowy801]

(I'm not saying we should talk about it, just saying. In fact, don't talk about it)

[damo666]

Oh dear is it the oldest and wisest Tom Bombadil himself? Long time no see.

Good job healers (probably?)

I was roleblocked, apparently.

##vote foodcoats

This is for HamB

snowy claimed he was roleblocked ok?

[damo666]

IMPORTANT:

There are 13 players left, Jamie may still have double vote and there could be a zero vote in play.

What we don't need is 12 players on Tom and the 3P gaining his item if it's on the list. We also don't want mafia gaining his item.

So we need a way of picking say 4-5 people we have town reads on to vote for TOM and everyone else unvoting.

I'm sure we can find a way of limiting where WorTom's item goes. It could be that they has more than one item if they have been doing the killing.

I think people should vote who they want (hopefully Tom) and then at some point (say not later than 1 hour before EOD) self vote apart from the following who should remain on Tom

Bozo
Food
HamB
Jamie
Macca
rdr

This group were not on the Bona wagon day 1 so didn't receive his item.

If any of this group of 6 refuse to vote Tom we should consider them scum (if Tom indeed flips scum).

Obviously 3p could be in this group but you could say that of any group, whatever we do we cannot guarantee 3p is off wagon.

This should work I think.

Opinions?

[damo666]

People can't end on unvote hence the non Tom voters should self vote.