M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

##CALL GM: If the white rice holder self targeted, would they receive a message that they were targeted even if they were not saved from an attack?

All players receive a message confirming how and what items they used during the night, so in this case the white rice holder would be informed they are their own white rice

[Chaqa]

What was the precise wording of the message, copy pasted?

I am not sure I am supposed to copy a GM message, but the wording in not significant.

I think it will be okay, as this is not a GM message but a player sent one. I'm not asking you to copy paste the message Chaqa wrote in the periphery, just the actual napkin.

##CALL GM opinion on this?

Oh except claiming is still bad in general because 3P and their POE for steals.

Just. Give. Your. God. Damned. Item. Away.

Let me think about this one for a moment and consult the official rules.

[snowy801]

Oh I see
I was the rb/NK target
worcej Bombadil tried to kill me
They thought I was cop, for insisting on him, when everyone voted Kaka


...maybe? Would be nice if true

[damo666]

@Vecna is my interpretation of your vote correct? I see no downside to outright claiming as it quasi townclears snowy. Not claiming outright makes you look a possible 3p.

[bozotheclown]

Oh I see
I was the rb/NK target
worcej Bombadil tried to kill me
They thought I was cop, for insisting on him, when everyone voted Kaka


...maybe? Would be nice if true

That would assume the mafia sent 2 different members to visit you, which seems very unlikely with a tracker and watcher.

If the mafia were going to use their RB, I would expect the roleblocker to perform the NK even if the RB and NK were on different players, so if Vecna RBed worcej and that is what prevented the NK, your RB claim looks suspect.

[bozotheclown]

@Vecna is my interpretation of your vote correct? I see no downside to outright claiming as it quasi townclears snowy. Not claiming outright makes you look a possible 3p.

Why do you think that? I just concluded that if your interpretation is correct, it makes snowy's RB claim look suspect.

[Hamilton Brian]

I was thinking (dangerous as it is), and it's strange to me that 1) ghug was shot before bozo mentioned the letter and 2) Bozo waited that long to mention it.

2) aside, what 1) says is that these events were independent. Mafia goes to frame ghug with the napkin, but 3p (because yes, they can start with steak) kills him for his item (which they presumably knew thanks to their scan). Why not take the item in the night? Maybe there was someone else better to steal from.

I waited until after ghug was shot because that is when I knew for certain that the message did not come from town.

You knew ghug was gonna get shot?

Joke response?

[snowy801]

Oh I see
I was the rb/NK target
worcej Bombadil tried to kill me
They thought I was cop, for insisting on him, when everyone voted Kaka


...maybe? Would be nice if true

That would assume the mafia sent 2 different members to visit you, which seems very unlikely with a tracker and watcher.

If the mafia were going to use their RB, I would expect the roleblocker to perform the NK even if the RB and NK were on different players, so if Vecna RBed worcej and that is what prevented the NK, your RB claim looks suspect.

A wild bozo appears!

Okay, so if I didn't get hooked, who did? Nobody? Tom was just the hooker? What will you do if Tom doesn't turn out to be hooker?

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM: Can the mafia roleblock be roleblocked by the roleblocking item?

[foodcoats]

It was. Damo's just being a grouchypants right now.

OK OK

Btw why aren't you voting Tom? Why isn't everyone?

Sitting on the obvious wagon all day is boring

I must’ve missed something, why is worcej/Tom “obvious”?

[snowy801]

OK OK

Btw why aren't you voting Tom? Why isn't everyone?

Sitting on the obvious wagon all day is boring

I must’ve missed something, why is worcej/Tom “obvious”?

Turns out I'm pretty much just a cop. Or a God, depending on your interpretation

[foodcoats]

Sitting on the obvious wagon all day is boring

I must’ve missed something, why is worcej/Tom “obvious”?

Turns out I'm pretty much just a cop. Or a God, depending on your interpretation

So just to confirm it’s that you scumread worcej/Tom?

Can you explain why?

[snowy801]

I must’ve missed something, why is worcej/Tom “obvious”?

Turns out I'm pretty much just a cop. Or a God, depending on your interpretation

So just to confirm it’s that you scumread worcej/Tom?

Can you explain why?

Read Vecna's last post. It's not 100%, but it's good enough for me

[damo666]

@Vecna is my interpretation of your vote correct? I see no downside to outright claiming as it quasi townclears snowy. Not claiming outright makes you look a possible 3p.

Why do you think that? I just concluded that if your interpretation is correct, it makes snowy's RB claim look suspect.

Because if Vecna confirms he townRBd worcej I interpret snowy as having been RBd by scum.

[bozotheclown]

Oh I see
I was the rb/NK target
worcej Bombadil tried to kill me
They thought I was cop, for insisting on him, when everyone voted Kaka


...maybe? Would be nice if true

That would assume the mafia sent 2 different members to visit you, which seems very unlikely with a tracker and watcher.

If the mafia were going to use their RB, I would expect the roleblocker to perform the NK even if the RB and NK were on different players, so if Vecna RBed worcej and that is what prevented the NK, your RB claim looks suspect.

A wild bozo appears!

Okay, so if I didn't get hooked, who did? Nobody? Tom was just the hooker? What will you do if Tom doesn't turn out to be hooker?

If you are mafia, you could have not used the RB and claimed it. However, there are other ways the NK could have been prevented, so I am not assuming Tom is scum. If Vecna claims to have RBed Tom, and Tom turns out to be mafia but not the hooker, it could mean the RB was not used so that the hooker was not at risk of being tracked.

[snowy801]

That would assume the mafia sent 2 different members to visit you, which seems very unlikely with a tracker and watcher.

If the mafia were going to use their RB, I would expect the roleblocker to perform the NK even if the RB and NK were on different players, so if Vecna RBed worcej and that is what prevented the NK, your RB claim looks suspect.

A wild bozo appears!

Okay, so if I didn't get hooked, who did? Nobody? Tom was just the hooker? What will you do if Tom doesn't turn out to be hooker?

If you are mafia, you could have not used the RB and claimed it. However, there are other ways the NK could have been prevented, so I am not assuming Tom is scum. If Vecna claims to have RBed Tom, and Tom turns out to be mafia but not the hooker, it could mean the RB was not used so that the hooker was not at risk of being tracked.

What other ways could the NK have been prevented?

[foodcoats]

@Vecna is my interpretation of your vote correct? I see no downside to outright claiming as it quasi townclears snowy. Not claiming outright makes you look a possible 3p.

Why do you think that? I just concluded that if your interpretation is correct, it makes snowy's RB claim look suspect.

Because if Vecna confirms he townRBd worcej I interpret snowy as having been RBd by scum.

Did the GM confirm if the NK is factional or player-tied and whether it will autoswitch if the first scum sent to kill is RBd or if an RB can fully block it?

[snowy801]

Why do you think that? I just concluded that if your interpretation is correct, it makes snowy's RB claim look suspect.

Because if Vecna confirms he townRBd worcej I interpret snowy as having been RBd by scum.

Did the GM confirm if the NK is factional or player-tied and whether it will autoswitch if the first scum sent to kill is RBd or if an RB can fully block it?

Yes, Chaqa confirmed NK is player-tied and can be blocked.

[foodcoats]

A wild bozo appears!

Okay, so if I didn't get hooked, who did? Nobody? Tom was just the hooker? What will you do if Tom doesn't turn out to be hooker?

If you are mafia, you could have not used the RB and claimed it. However, there are other ways the NK could have been prevented, so I am not assuming Tom is scum. If Vecna claims to have RBed Tom, and Tom turns out to be mafia but not the hooker, it could mean the RB was not used so that the hooker was not at risk of being tracked.

What other ways could the NK have been prevented?

Is there a reason the two healing items are out of consideration?

[snowy801]

If you are mafia, you could have not used the RB and claimed it. However, there are other ways the NK could have been prevented, so I am not assuming Tom is scum. If Vecna claims to have RBed Tom, and Tom turns out to be mafia but not the hooker, it could mean the RB was not used so that the hooker was not at risk of being tracked.

What other ways could the NK have been prevented?

Is there a reason the two healing items are out of consideration?

I'll let Bozo answer this one.