M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

What kind?

should be pretty obvious id think

it's actually not. I got spinached.

Whoa what? Macca the gladiator?

Are you planning to use it?

[BobMcBob]

I would rather eliminate the lfischl slot than see it subbed, low participation then subbed slots can be dangerous when scum.

##VOTE lfischl

since when?
my experience with low participation subbed slots that are scum is me subbing into them and doing horribly

With little to base a read on, the sub usually is not at risk of a DK for a while.

not in my experience lol
but then again, i dont have the most experience with it

[Jamiet99uk]

Two roll black claims and one has perished. Coincidence or by design?

This isn’t so much a scum slip as a confession

##vote Hamilton ## vote end

That endvote is (a) invalid and (b) stupid.

We need to get to the bottom of this napkin message issue. You shouldn't be trying to end the phase early.

[foodcoats]

Regarding the steak, I’m surprised there’s so much assumption that town could/should not hipfire. It has two shots, and the wielder might be worried about it falling into nefarious hands.

Regarding Macca’s salad, I’m willing to believe this is Mafia trying to set Macca up for now, but it could just as easily be a townie who is convinced Macca is scum and is pushing on them this way.

This game is beautifully balanced because claims are massively, massively disincentivized because of the steal and copy mechanics and the 3P. Very surprised Bob and snowy advocating for claims because it’s so antitown.

[foodcoats]

To clarify re Macca… silencing Macca seems a scummy thing to do, and not something scum would do to their own scum!Macca because of Macca’s style leading to potential policy killing. So Macca probably town, but not certainly.

[foodcoats]

This implies that Bozo is certain that the gunshot that killed Ghug was fired by town, right?

Otherwise, why would the Mafia team agree to signal to Bozo that one of them had a (fake) cop scan on Ghug, and then in the same phase, shoot and kill Ghug to reveal that Ghug was not "guilty" at all.

That does not make any sense, so Bozo must be assuming that a townie shot Ghug.

@Bozo could you confirm that this is your theory?

Do we want Ghug's killer, if they are town, to reveal themself, or not?

No, that is not my theory, I think the mafia shot ghug.

This doesn't make sense.

So you think the napkin message was sent to you by someone who's town?

We know Ghug was not guilty (because he's been flipped) and I don't think there's a lawyer-type action in play.

So if you are telling the truth about the message, the person who sent it to you was knowingly lying about having a guilty on Ghug.

Why would a townsperson send Bozo a message claiming a fake guilty on Ghug?

This does indeed appear to be an inconsistent view from bozo and I am interested in bozo’s full explanation of how he perceives the current claim info.

[damo666]

The 3P only gets the item if it is on their list (or by random chance). Are you confirming the item you received was a 3P item?

O. Is this true?

Yep, I checked this, Bozo is reading this correctly.

So, can you confirm that the item you claim you obtained is one of the items on the 3P's list?

No. It's not. So the people on the kak wagon are not 3p clear.

[Jamiet99uk]

O. Is this true?

Yep, I checked this, Bozo is reading this correctly.

So, can you confirm that the item you claim you obtained is one of the items on the 3P's list?

No. It's not. So the people on the kak wagon are not 3p clear.

Aha. That's an interesting clarification. Ta.

[damo666]

Yep, I checked this, Bozo is reading this correctly.

So, can you confirm that the item you claim you obtained is one of the items on the 3P's list?

No. It's not. So the people on the kak wagon are not 3p clear.

Aha. That's an interesting clarification. Ta.

Yeah. Sorry. I made a wrong assumption.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh, an alternative scenario has just occurred to me:

@Bozo: Did you shoot Ghug, on the basis that you believed the message you'd received via napkin-mail?

I think if you did that, you should tell us at once because then we can stop speculating.

[BobMcBob]

Do you guys think scum took Damo's offer on Maniac seriously?

If we don't have anybody claiming to have been saved, I will ##vote Maniac.

this is a bad case of faulty bargaining
if the scum are scared of 3p, let them tell us
although claiming saved probably wouldnt hurt tbh

[BobMcBob]

O. Is this true?

Yep, I checked this, Bozo is reading this correctly.

So, can you confirm that the item you claim you obtained is one of the items on the 3P's list?

No. It's not. So the people on the kak wagon are not 3p clear.

allow me to say i told you so in regards to explaining your faulty logic

[damo666]

The shooter and the message cannot be the same alignment (would be tastefully daft).

So

M S
Scum Town or 3p
3p Town or Scum


If a townsperson shot ghug they should probably claim.

[BobMcBob]

Oh, an alternative scenario has just occurred to me:

@Bozo: Did you shoot Ghug, on the basis that you believed the message you'd received via napkin-mail?

I think if you did that, you should tell us at once because then we can stop speculating.

i second that, it is rather important if that is the case

[foodcoats]

@Bozo - do you want to share the contents of the message with the class?

I also assume that Mafia hit Ghug but don’t know why they waited to D3 so I suppose it could be a townie with a strong read.

I would think townie with a strong read, but the all rose picks in M68 makes me semi-trust that at the very least, this community knows not to hip fire pre-discussion as town.

This is so unbelievably dumb and I'm not only naming and shaming you for it, but scum reading you for it.

Care to explain why?

You know scum would not take it seriously. You know, waffling over bussing aside, without an independent reason to scum read him Kaka voting Maniac makes him more likely town. You know now is not the best time to be 3P hunting.

You know all this, yet you behave this way. I don't buy it at all.

Maybe snowy, damo, and rdrivera are the remaining scum and Maniac is the 3P who they tried to NK N2.

A-amazing. Truly, he's figured it all out.

And Snowy, how are you feeling about reads lists from others right now. Mine? maniac’s? I am feeling like I am seeing you asking a lot of questions without actually putting yourself out there with specific reasons for reading people one way or the other.

Your reads list is terrible. You show zero thought into why you think something, and it's like you're not even trying. That is, incidentally, one of my main scum reads on you, but think of it as a wake up call if you're not.

Why, for example, is your town read decreasing on the Kaka voters? You were against a worcej vote yesterday, what changed your mind? You had tons of positive things to say about Maniac before, what changed since then?

Maniac's is slightly better, like he's trying to think but can't be bothered.

Something totally wrong in this is snowy claiming Kak voting Maniac makes Maniac more likely town. That is completely incorrect and I’m surprised SNOWY of all people lands there.

I could see Kak-snowy-Maniac in my POE for sure.

[TheMadMonarch]

Regarding the steak, I’m surprised there’s so much assumption that town could/should not hipfire. It has two shots, and the wielder might be worried about it falling into nefarious hands.

Regarding Macca’s salad, I’m willing to believe this is Mafia trying to set Macca up for now, but it could just as easily be a townie who is convinced Macca is scum and is pushing on them this way.

This game is beautifully balanced because claims are massively, massively disincentivized because of the steal and copy mechanics and the 3P. Very surprised Bob and snowy advocating for claims because it’s so antitown.

This is blatantly incorrect.

[Jamiet99uk]

Wait wait, I'm just re-reading Bozo's claims. Here are three posts that are very significant when put together.

The mafia must have had the gun item.

I received a message N2 that must have come from a mafia member, so they must have the mail item.

The message claimed to have a guilty scan on ghug.

So, Bozo, let's just get this straight.

You think that the Mafia had both the Steak and the Napkins, and they decided to send you a message claiming a fake guilty scan on Ghug, and then immediately after sending you this message, they also shot Ghug, revealing that the information in the message was false.

What possible reason would the scum team have for sending you a message and then immediately taking an action that invalidated the claim in that message?

[damo666]

I think town roleblocker should say who they blocked last night.

The target is highly likely mafia, hence the no nk

[Jamiet99uk]

From the Mafia QT:

Scumbo #1: "Hey, let's make Bozo think that we're a bunch of idiots!"

Scumbo #2: "How can we do that?"

Scumbo #1: "Let's accuse Ghug of being scum, and then immediately prove he isn't"

Scumbo #3: "Great plan guys!"

[TheMadMonarch]

##CALL GM

The way I'm reading it, if you equip the tortilla it stays until you get shot. Is this correct?