M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

okay you can probably ignore this post, i doubt it will mean much

somebody sent bozo a message
message was obviously fake, assume it doesnt come from town
message was trying to frame ghug
bozo did not respond to the message
ghug was subsequently shot before posting and less than an hour into the day
the shot was super unlikely to be coming from town
scum cant start with steak
we can assume scum didnt both try to nk ghug and send the letter
because otherwise wheres the point of framing him?
steak shot likely came from scum
assuming it did, nk was on someone who was not ghug
if mafia tried to nk ghug, bozo is super likely scum
if someone saved ghug last night do we get them to come forward?
alternatively 3p may have shot ghug
in which case the mail is a strange coincidence
but if 3p had steak it means they either stole it from someone, or bona had the steak and 3p was on the wagon
what have i gained from this exercise?
not much really
for bozo to be scum, mafia probably have to have napkin and decided not to use it
i dunno theres way too many variables here
i dont think theres any way to actually just puzzle this out
which is actually a good thing
back to actually playing mafia!

[snowy801]

<- has already reasoned it out
got completely ignored
is sad

[snowy801]

though admittedly it could be completely wrong and Vecna was the nk

[Hamilton Brian]

The hell? How!

Think this is fake as all hell. Who goes "omg that's impossible" when a weird game mechanic happens? You go read the god damned setup. Fake townslip attempt #2.

There is no reason to believe that the cop would somehow have the napkins too, so it makes natural sense for someone to believe that scum sent that letter (or 3P I guess - actually I find this more likely as the quick scum shot seems to indicate that the scum team planned out a ghug kill during the night, in which case why bother?). Hence, 3P probably has the napkins at this point.

And Snowy, how are you feeling about reads lists from others right now. Mine? maniac’s? I am feeling like I am seeing you asking a lot of questions without actually putting yourself out there with specific reasons for reading people one way or the other.

I'll answer your question later, but explain something for me if you could. How do you justify the statement "without actually putting yourself out there with specific reasons"? I'd like to see you link the statements you've seen of me to this claim. foodcoats is one, I saw.
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I’ll probably mangle the quoting but Snowy…I think you’re falling victim to your own hubris.

Fake? It was an immediate reaction. Yes, surprised.? And I’ve had no time to go back over the doc. I’m drunk righty bow, I’m not reading shit until tomorrow.

I see there are 4 new pages to read.

And in my mind, without the sober second thought, I find you not to be implicating others with evidence or inference. You maintain an oblique stance where the cool kids get it. The rest of us nerds, well…tough shit.

And that ain’t town behaviour.

So now I gotta tunnel you because you’re inflaming my nostrils with a stench of something. Scumminess or ego.

[Maniac]

Two roll black claims and one has perished. Coincidence or by design?

This isn’t so much a scum slip as a confession

##vote Hamilton ## vote end

[BobMcBob]

Two roll black claims and one has perished. Coincidence or by design?

This isn’t so much a scum slip as a confession

##vote Hamilton ## vote end

do i really have to keep asking people to explain their bad logic?

[bozotheclown]

Just to clear it up, I was fed spinach, so now I can challenge someone, and only one of us may die.

If I had this power to give out, I would either keep it myself to challenge a scum suspect, or not use it. I do not know why any town member would want to give away this power, so, assuming you are town, I suspect it was given to you by the mafia in hopes that you will challenge another town member.

[rdrivera2005]

Just to clear it up, I was fed spinach, so now I can challenge someone, and only one of us may die.

If I had this power to give out, I would either keep it myself to challenge a scum suspect, or not use it. I do not know why any town member would want to give away this power, so, assuming you are town, I suspect it was given to you by the mafia in hopes that you will challenge another town member.

This is something I can agree with. Probably the best use is just ignore it and don't use.

About Ghug shooting, 3P could start with Steak and he could have a strong reason to use it if he discovered Ghug's item and was unable to steal it at night. Did someone claimed RB this night?

[Maniac]

Two roll black claims and one has perished. Coincidence or by design?

This isn’t so much a scum slip as a confession

##vote Hamilton ## vote end

do i really have to keep asking people to explain their bad logic?

I don’t think you have to keep asking, as you’ll be dead soon.

My logic is thus:

Scum!HB roleblocks Ghug
Ghug doesn’t confirm he has been RB’d before death
Scum!HB imagined Ghug must have claimed his RB
Scum!HB says ‘two RB claims, one of which has died’

I can’t see any other explanation for you statement, so you must be scum.

[Maniac]

@Macca - I’d use the challenge if you have a strong scum read on someone you think you can beat (assuming you’re town of course) if you’re scum try and take down one of the towniest towns please,

[BobMcBob]

@Macca - I’d use the challenge if you have a strong scum read on someone you think you can beat (assuming you’re town of course) if you’re scum try and take down one of the towniest towns please,

id say just dont use it unless youre scum
if youre scum though, go ahead

[TheMadMonarch]

The hell? How!

Think this is fake as all hell. Who goes "omg that's impossible" when a weird game mechanic happens? You go read the god damned setup. Fake townslip attempt #2.

There is no reason to believe that the cop would somehow have the napkins too, so it makes natural sense for someone to believe that scum sent that letter (or 3P I guess - actually I find this more likely as the quick scum shot seems to indicate that the scum team planned out a ghug kill during the night, in which case why bother?). Hence, 3P probably has the napkins at this point.

And Snowy, how are you feeling about reads lists from others right now. Mine? maniac’s? I am feeling like I am seeing you asking a lot of questions without actually putting yourself out there with specific reasons for reading people one way or the other.

I'll answer your question later, but explain something for me if you could. How do you justify the statement "without actually putting yourself out there with specific reasons"? I'd like to see you link the statements you've seen of me to this claim. foodcoats is one, I saw.

I’ll probably mangle the quoting but Snowy…I think you’re falling victim to your own hubris.

Fake? It was an immediate reaction. Yes, surprised.? And I’ve had no time to go back over the doc. I’m drunk righty bow, I’m not reading shit until tomorrow.

I see there are 4 new pages to read.

And in my mind, without the sober second thought, I find you not to be implicating others with evidence or inference. You maintain an oblique stance where the cool kids get it. The rest of us nerds, well…tough shit.

And that ain’t town behaviour.

So now I gotta tunnel you because you’re inflaming my nostrils with a stench of something. Scumminess or ego.
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I normally hate drunkposting, but I don't mind this. Townpoints.

[damo666]

Ghug was not the NK target since he was not 3p nor was he saved.

The NK target must have been 3p.

The weakest scum member should just tell us who thec3p is. I assume it is Maniac.

[Jamiet99uk]

Awake.
Sober.
Not hungover (yay).
Catching up.

[BobMcBob]

Ghug was not the NK target since he was not 3p nor was he saved.

The NK target must have been 3p.

The weakest scum member should just tell us who thec3p is. I assume it is Maniac.

you are putting an awful lot of confidence into people listening to your ideas
if mafia have found 3p, i encourage them to find a way to tell us if they believe 3p is that dangerous to them
otherwise we should continue on with doing actual reads
if mafia feel forced to reveal 3p, they will regardless

[damo666]

Ok you thick bastards I got kak's item. I am not 3p. Therefore 3p was not on kak wagon.

Now maf can NK me.

Thanks a lot.

Learn to engage brain.

The 3P only gets the item if it is on their list (or by random chance). Are you confirming the item you received was a 3P item?

O. Is this true?

[Jamiet99uk]

Wait, I'm an idiot

My newest best theory: scum shot ghug, saw he didn't die, thought "what are the chances of a doc save" and thought 3P and day shot him.

I think this makes most sense

I don't know if this makes sense, they have to eat the steak before they find out whether or not ghug died.

The person eats the steak at night and then uses it to carry out a kill the immediately following day.

If scum had the steak they don't need to specifically have intended to kill Ghug with it. They would presumably just want to get an extra kill in, regardless.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok you thick bastards I got kak's item. I am not 3p. Therefore 3p was not on kak wagon.

Now maf can NK me.

Thanks a lot.

Learn to engage brain.

The 3P only gets the item if it is on their list (or by random chance). Are you confirming the item you received was a 3P item?

O. Is this true?

Yep, I checked this, Bozo is reading this correctly.

So, can you confirm that the item you claim you obtained is one of the items on the 3P's list?

[BobMcBob]

This puts a little dampener on my damo 3p theory...

Ok since it's out in the open now, I think it's probably town indicative that Bob and Macca weren't able to figure this out earlier, since the mafia can discuss it privately. You'd need all three of them to not pick up on it.

which is just another reason why it is extremely stupid that damo wouldnt just outright reveal it when in all likelihood the scumteam already knew

[Jamiet99uk]

Probably inferrring that the mail contained a lie since ghug didn’t flip as mafia.

This implies that Bozo is certain that the gunshot that killed Ghug was fired by town, right?

Otherwise, why would the Mafia team agree to signal to Bozo that one of them had a (fake) cop scan on Ghug, and then in the same phase, shoot and kill Ghug to reveal that Ghug was not "guilty" at all.

That does not make any sense, so Bozo must be assuming that a townie shot Ghug.

@Bozo could you confirm that this is your theory?

Do we want Ghug's killer, if they are town, to reveal themself, or not?

No, that is not my theory, I think the mafia shot ghug.

This doesn't make sense.

So you think the napkin message was sent to you by someone who's town?

We know Ghug was not guilty (because he's been flipped) and I don't think there's a lawyer-type action in play.

So if you are telling the truth about the message, the person who sent it to you was knowingly lying about having a guilty on Ghug.

Why would a townsperson send Bozo a message claiming a fake guilty on Ghug?