M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

(Which presumably is because I did not say his name and pay homage to him*)

*Ghug

I asked you a fucking question Jamie. I asked because your logic seemed shallow, which it was. The person making mountains out of molehills is the one who feels the need to make six useless posts berating me in a matter of minutes because I asked him a fucking question. Go away.

As usual, however, I answered your question, and you then made a fuss about it, claiming that I had not.

Ghug.

[Jamiet99uk]

Anyway. Back to the point of your question, Ghug:

- Kak mentioned his scumread of me several times and voted for me.

- Kak primarily mentioned you in the context of me, explaining his scumread of me. He did not vote for you.

Why is it "shallow" that on this basis I concluded he was presenting me as a stronger scumread, than you, Ghug?

All he really said about you, Ghug, was that you were not displaying your "typical" meta and that you should be investigated (note investigated, not daykilled).

[Jamiet99uk]

Flipside analysis:

Ghug wants everyone to think that he was clearly one of Kak's top "scumreads" because this may earn Ghug some townpoints or something.

Sadly the evidence doesn't really back that up.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm going to the pub. I'll try to avoid too much drunkposting later.

Have fun everyone*.

*Even you, Ghug, I hope you have a great Saturday evening in real life where we're not actually enemies.

[ghug]

I'm going to the pub. I'll try to avoid too much drunkposting later.

Have fun everyone*.

*Even you, Ghug, I hope you have a great Saturday evening in real life where we're not actually enemies.

I wish we didn't have to be enemies in the game either, Jamie. Enjoy the pub.

[bozotheclown]

I prefer not to DK Kakarrota because he posted the full reads list I requested right at EON, and I do not see much scum motivation for doing this considering how few players participated in my survey request.

Hard disagree here. I would have leapt at that opportunity if I was scum. Reads list are one of my scum tells (y'all forget this next game), they're easy, the don't need much reasoning, and you can keep them open as an easy means of remembering who you scumread.

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of this post but the point is solid. This feels way too human for bozo.

Bozo, why was this reads list so effective in pocketing you?

It was in respond to the request I made, and I did not think scum would be motivated to put out that list at EON, long after most players had ignored my request.

[ghug]

Flipside analysis:

Ghug wants everyone to think that he was clearly one of Kak's top "scumreads" because this may earn Ghug some townpoints or something.

Sadly the evidence doesn't really back that up.

Mostly I don't want anyone taking your assessment of his reads as gospel because there isn't a neat and tidy error. If you're going to look at his reads, it's worth looking past the two people he actually voted for to the others he suspected.

[bozotheclown]

To those who claim that I missed the fact that 3p didn't notice, I direct you to state 1, where they take the item that they viewed day 1. I don't see any reason to not take an item if it's available.

The 3P does not have much use for items not on there list, since they do not need to identify who is town and who is mafia. If the 3P viewed an item not on their list, they may have taken a random guess on an item on their list.

[bozotheclown]

that 3P party push from jamie is just ridiculous, even as a non-native english speaker I'm confident that refers to a 'neutral party between the two of ghug and jamie'.

To the consolidation of votes regarding jamie: so I have the choice of a lurker, one of my bigger mafia reads, one of my highest townreads and a townish one; or go yolo solo.

So realistically, lfishl or jamie. While I do not like lfishls game, I think with what he has shown, jamie has a higher percentage of being mafia. ##vote jamie

furthermore, I want you all to inform, that I have today and tomorrow nightshift, so I'll miss EoD and EoN. I'll prepare myself to go to work right now and have a look back here before I go.

If Kakarroto had followed his EON reads list, lfischl would have been his choice over Jamie. He could have just voted for lfischl and probably not drawn the suspicion that he did, so maybe he did this because lfischl is mafia.

So, it's still more likely lfischl is scum then Jamiet. Still don't get why you think my conclusion that Jamiet is likely town isn't justified.

I do believe lfischl is more likely scum than Jamie, but I was not scum reading Jamie like you were. If Jamie is scum, the situation basically forced him to bus Kakarroto to avoid revealing them both.

[bozotheclown]

Why is that?

What do you think of Macca? Do you think it is true they dislike you personally?

excuse me where the heck did this question come from?
you quote an entirely unrelated post and ask him about personal dislike
what was the point of this?
why did it come up?

I wanted to know if Jamie thought Macca was fabricating something when they said they did not like him personally.

[bozotheclown]

I would rather eliminate the lfischl slot than see it subbed, low participation then subbed slots can be dangerous when scum.

##VOTE lfischl

since when?
my experience with low participation subbed slots that are scum is me subbing into them and doing horribly

With little to base a read on, the sub usually is not at risk of a DK for a while.

[bozotheclown]

So a strong townread on Bob, townreads on Bozo and Damo, and scumreads on me and Maniac, nearly everyone else null.

It also looks like he started to type something about Hamilton and then didn't finish it.

How did you conclude your scumread was stronger than mine or lfischl's?

First of all, he voted for me.

Second of all, in the case of Lfischl, he said "I don't like lurkers", not "I scumread Lfischl".

Not liking lurkers does not automatically equate to scumreading everyone who lurks.

lfischl's list was in order from town to scum.

[bozotheclown]

Ok you thick bastards I got kak's item. I am not 3p. Therefore 3p was not on kak wagon.

Now maf can NK me.

Thanks a lot.

Learn to engage brain.

The 3P only gets the item if it is on their list (or by random chance). Are you confirming the item you received was a 3P item?

[ghug]

To those who claim that I missed the fact that 3p didn't notice, I direct you to state 1, where they take the item that they viewed day 1. I don't see any reason to not take an item if it's available.

The 3P does not have much use for items not on there list, since they do not need to identify who is town and who is mafia. If the 3P viewed an item not on their list, they may have taken a random guess on an item on their list.

We'd still expect an item to be missing, though.

[bozotheclown]

To those who claim that I missed the fact that 3p didn't notice, I direct you to state 1, where they take the item that they viewed day 1. I don't see any reason to not take an item if it's available.

The 3P does not have much use for items not on there list, since they do not need to identify who is town and who is mafia. If the 3P viewed an item not on their list, they may have taken a random guess on an item on their list.

We'd still expect an item to be missing, though.

Why, if they made a random guess for an item on their list and were incorrect?

[Hamilton Brian]

Quickly in while cooking and have to back out the the shop.

Just a quick opinion.

Feel good about ghug and Bozo.

I also feel good about Jamie, but conflicted by the continued antagonism on display for all wrt ghug.

Thought I was feeling good on Damo, Vecna, snowy. But no longer solidly sure.

Mafia?

[Hamilton Brian]

Somewhere around Maniac, lfischl, Worcej, Macca?

[Maniac]

Maniac – Handsome
Macca573 – ObvTown
snowy801 – Still one of my top town reads.
Vecna – seems to be under my radar but I can’t recall any red flags from him.
BobMcBob – Bob’s tone seemed to change N2. I’m not really sure about him now.
Hamilton Brian – Null
Ghug – I do wish he and Jamie would just get a room, have a drink and stop their squabbling
damo666 – went from being relaxed to a little pissed off because people didn’t understand his hints. Claimed RB N1, is claiming to have caught Kak’s item D2 but hasn’t said what it is. If it is an ingredient 3P needs than it clears other players on Kak of being the 3P.
rdrivera2005 – hasn’t done too much, but I town lean.
Foodcoats – helped in the kakarroto kill but that could be a late bus I suppose.
Bozotheclown – Instrumental in stopping Jamie from being killed which in turn lead to Kakarroto’s death so town points for that for sure.
Lfischl – He has risen in my scum chart. It seems to convenient that he coasts so much and turns up very late and contributes just enough to save his skin. I’m sure if he wasn’t a viable wagon D2 he would've just logged in and logged off without contributing.
Worcej – looks like his disengagement was for genuine reasons as he has asked to be subbed.
Jamiet99uk – Jamie played a big part in getting Kakarroto killed so we have to give him some credit for that. He has gone from my strongest scum read to a safe town read. Obviously he could’ve bussed Kakarroto. I think we can revisit that possibility later.
Kakarroto – deceased D2 - Scum
Bonatogether – deceased D1, ?Fruit vendor
Celaph – deceased N1

[snowy801]

Here's where I'm at. Not that anyone will ever look at it if I die, and it's not particularly useful if I stay alive, but nonetheless.

damo666
lfischl
Vecna

BobMcBob

Maniac
Jamiet99uk

Macca573
bozotheclown
foodcoats

rdrivera2005
ghug

worcej
Hamilton Brian

Disregard damo top town read if worcej flips scum (sorta nullish if so).
Disregard lfischl, Vecna town read if Jamiet flips scum (likewise)

Could be completely wrong about HB I guess, but come on, when am I ever wrong about anything?

Uh, see you on the flip side I guess.

[Chaqa]

Phase has ended. Please hold while I process (will take a few).