M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

To those who claim that I missed the fact that 3p didn't notice, I direct you to state 1, where they take the item that they viewed day 1. I don't see any reason to not take an item if it's available.

Oh, I didn't realize that they could take items outside their list.

I feel like this implicates bozo (in addition to the obvious me/damo), because he reads the setup.

I suppose there's an outside shot they stole from celaph or didn't steal at all because they expected this line of logic.

Why outside the list?

3p scans player X who has one of their required items so 3p steals it.

If someone had an item stolen N1 (especially one the 3p requires) I think they should claim.

In the event of no such claim I have to make ghug a strong suspect. He was the only player on both Bona and Jamie and the rb would then explain Jamie retaining chicken.

If there is a claim ghug is clear.

If no claim has arisen by near EON strongly suggest Mafia RB ghug.

I had thought that "the third party attempted to steal from someone who didn't have one of their items and thus didn't steal anything" was a possible outcome.

[ghug]

THIS.

How about carrot?

Can we just get Jamie?

Even if you think I'm wrong, you should see the obvious benefit to getting me out of my tunnel.

this is another garbage post

No it's not.

[ghug]

So a strong townread on Bob, townreads on Bozo and Damo, and scumreads on me and Maniac, nearly everyone else null.

It also looks like he started to type something about Hamilton and then didn't finish it.

How did you conclude your scumread was stronger than mine or lfischl's?

First of all, he voted for me.

Second of all, in the case of Lfischl, he said "I don't like lurkers", not "I scumread Lfischl".

Not liking lurkers does not automatically equate to scumreading everyone who lurks.

Do you just forget half of every question? There's no mention of me here.

His read on you was "don't feeling the Jamie". His read on me was "feels not like the typical ghug". His read on lfischl was "I don't like lurkers", which was also his read on Macca but with an addendum that he liked them more than lfischl.

In the absence of more scumreads, those are pretty clearly all scumreads.

[ghug]

What I think is quite interesting is damo's relationship with 3p. He's brought it up a bunch, and seems to have thought a lot about its mechanics. He was also on both wagons that did the kills. This also fits with some earlier theories of mine and others surrounding the lack of N1 item theft and his RB.

I think Bob's and Macca's reactions to this are noteworthy and I'd like to remember them later.

[ghug]

Can we just get Jamie?

Even if you think I'm wrong, you should see the obvious benefit to getting me out of my tunnel.

this is another garbage post

I mean I have to agree with Bob here.

"Please kill this person even if you think he is town, just so that I can start thinking clearly" is a pretty bad reason.

At best it implies that town!Ghug with a clear head and a sober disposition is such a valuable asset to town that it is worth slaughtering other townies just to help Ghug achieve that state.

If you'd like another reason, about a third of webDip mafia games end with you losing for town in KILO.

[ghug]

But then, Ghug has always had a very high opinion of himself, so maybe that's really what he thinks.

@Ghug: Which other townies should we kill to aid your thought process?

Jamie, I want to kill you because you're scum..I want those who don't think you're scum to kill you anyway as a personal favor to me, because I know you're scum.

Pretty simple.

[ghug]

I am not. Read

Honestly though it is tiring seeing people ask the same questions about something over and over again even if it's already been explained.

Read, please. If illiterate, uh, someone who's not me is offering lessons.

The flip side is that it's also annoying when damo combines mechanical deduction discussions with his reads in a way that doesn't make clear which is which and confuses people.

[Jamiet99uk]

How did you conclude your scumread was stronger than mine or lfischl's?

First of all, he voted for me.

Second of all, in the case of Lfischl, he said "I don't like lurkers", not "I scumread Lfischl".

Not liking lurkers does not automatically equate to scumreading everyone who lurks.

Do you just forget half of every question? There's no mention of me here.

His read on you was "don't feeling the Jamie". His read on me was "feels not like the typical ghug". His read on lfischl was "I don't like lurkers", which was also his read on Macca but with an addendum that he liked them more than lfischl.

In the absence of more scumreads, those are pretty clearly all scumreads.

No, the first part of my question answered why I felt he scumread me more than he scumread you. Just because I don't say "Ghug" in every sentence does not mean I was not responding to you. Try to put your ego away for once.

To reiterate, I assume he scumread me more than he scumread you because he voted for me and pushed me - but did not vote for you at any point.

My conclusions were not based on just a single post with a reads list, but on the overall appearance of Kak's play.

[ghug]

Why outside the list?

3p scans player X who has one of their required items so 3p steals it.

If someone had an item stolen N1 (especially one the 3p requires) I think they should claim.

In the event of no such claim I have to make ghug a strong suspect. He was the only player on both Bona and Jamie and the rb would then explain Jamie retaining chicken.

If there is a claim ghug is clear.

If no claim has arisen by near EON strongly suggest Mafia RB ghug.

make up your mind laddie
is it maniac or is it ghug?
are they both 3p?
wont you be absolutely flabbergasted if ghug is 3p?

I should have included ghug in my original list.

Do not call me laddie.

You consciously left me off, though. Even when I questioned why I wasn't there, you confirmed it was intentional.

[Jamiet99uk]

I mean I have to agree with Bob here.

"Please kill this person even if you think he is town, just so that I can start thinking clearly" is a pretty bad reason.

At best it implies that town!Ghug with a clear head and a sober disposition is such a valuable asset to town that it is worth slaughtering other townies just to help Ghug achieve that state.

If you'd like another reason, about a third of webDip mafia games end with you losing for town in KILO.

In at least some of those games, Town would have won if they had listened to me.

[ghug]

damo rather than dancing around pretending you have a clue for ages please state your garbage logic now so we can all berate you for how garbage it is and then move on
either that or tell us what it is so we actually have something to work on rather than blindly looking at a list of names you decided were cool

Try thinking rather than relying on being spoonfed

why dont you try using actual logic instead of pretending that you have it while not telling us what it is in an attempt to prevent us from realising it isnt there
i have done plenty of thinking this game, and none of that should be taken up dealing with your purposefully obtuse trash
if you want to see an example of just how productive dropping hints and speaking in obscurities instead of communicating clearly can be, see exhibit a: jamie and ghug spewing 10s of completely useless posts because neither one was willing to actually point to what theyd said without adding at least two levels of obscurity
if you want to make helpful theories, being helpful in your execution tends to be helpful, as surprising as that may seem

Fuck off. I was plenty direct. I quoted my posts. I bolded the relevant bits. I rephrased. I did all of it repeatedly. The fact that Jamie can't read is not my fault.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ghug - as an additional point, Ghug, please bear in mind that we now know Kak's scumreads and townreads were fake, Ghug, because we now know that Kak was scum, Ghug.

For the avoidance of doubt, these comments are direct to Ghug.

[ghug]

This puts a little dampener on my damo 3p theory...

Ok since it's out in the open now, I think it's probably town indicative that Bob and Macca weren't able to figure this out earlier, since the mafia can discuss it privately. You'd need all three of them to not pick up on it.

[Jamiet99uk]

why dont you try using actual logic instead of pretending that you have it while not telling us what it is in an attempt to prevent us from realising it isnt there
i have done plenty of thinking this game, and none of that should be taken up dealing with your purposefully obtuse trash
if you want to see an example of just how productive dropping hints and speaking in obscurities instead of communicating clearly can be, see exhibit a: jamie and ghug spewing 10s of completely useless posts because neither one was willing to actually point to what theyd said without adding at least two levels of obscurity
if you want to make helpful theories, being helpful in your execution tends to be helpful, as surprising as that may seem

[Expletives redacted]. I was plenty direct. I quoted my posts. I bolded the relevant bits. I rephrased. I did all of it repeatedly. The fact that Jamie can't read my poorly-articulated posts is partly my fault at the very least.

Don't be rude, Ghug.

[ghug]

Ok you thick bastards I got kak's item. I am not 3p. Therefore 3p was not on kak wagon.

Now maf can NK me.

Thanks a lot.

Learn to engage brain.

This all strikes me as an effort to get towncred rather than something town!damo would do. It’s interesting to know there was no 3P on Kakarroto’s wagon but it doesn’t mean damo isn’t 3P or scum and it doesn’t tell us anything about the scum team, which is our priority. Damo is getting really riled up about this and let it out of the bag even though he’s not strongly townread and would not have been some auto NK before he brought this up. Feels like a fake appeal to emotion. Scum!damo might have got an item and thought to use that omelette for towncred.

I mean he should have been pretty widely townread after that EoD, and I think opinions were already shifting that way.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug ghug, ghug.

[ghug]

why dont you try using actual logic instead of pretending that you have it while not telling us what it is in an attempt to prevent us from realising it isnt there
i have done plenty of thinking this game, and none of that should be taken up dealing with your purposefully obtuse trash
if you want to see an example of just how productive dropping hints and speaking in obscurities instead of communicating clearly can be, see exhibit a: jamie and ghug spewing 10s of completely useless posts because neither one was willing to actually point to what theyd said without adding at least two levels of obscurity
if you want to make helpful theories, being helpful in your execution tends to be helpful, as surprising as that may seem

Ffs I said I know food is not 3p. There are others I know are not 3p. Can you really not work it out.

Ask ghug.

Will not be on again before EON

Why "ask ghug"? His posts will tell you he did not know what was happening.

This is his last one that mentions it:

Come on man, put your thinking caps on. It's obvious!

I thought I knew what he was getting at, but now I'm confused.

Before that, I chided him for telling us at night, which means I had it right even if I got briefly confused by his excluding me.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ghug - as an additional point, Ghug, please bear in mind that we now know Kak's scumreads and townreads were fake, Ghug, because we now know that Kak was scum, Ghug.

For the avoidance of doubt, these comments are direct to Ghug.

And the point of this ^ observation, Ghug, is that Ghug is making a huge fuss about the way I took particular note (or did not take particular note) certain nuances in the fake reads list of a confirmed scum, which were therefore not actual reads, Ghug.

It is a molehill of which Ghug is making a mountain.

[Jamiet99uk]

(Which presumably is because I did not say his name and pay homage to him*)


*Ghug

[ghug]

(Which presumably is because I did not say his name and pay homage to him*)


*Ghug

I asked you a fucking question Jamie. I asked because your logic seemed shallow, which it was. The person making mountains out of molehills is the one who feels the need to make six useless posts berating me in a matter of minutes because I asked him a fucking question. Go away.