M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[TheMadMonarch]

Question of the hour:

Why was Jamie's item not stolen last night?

It's more obvious d2, but someone looking for this could probably work it out quite easily. There is no downside to chaqa for being wrong, and chicken is not only necessary, but also powerful in its own right.

entering conspiracy zone:

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Third Party:
Ability: item hoarder
Role PM: Within the Chipotle loyalty and marketing division, there exists a rumor: a customer whose spending and consumption of Chipotle is truly monstrous. What started as a surprise favorite has spiraled into obsession and compulsion. You are Chaqa, the Chipotle fanatic. From your secret hideout next to the Chipotle test lab (which you found through clever social engineering), you heard the early alarm signalling the infiltrators and went to action. Your mission: seize the prototype Chipotle ingredients and begin your takeover of Chipotle. You scan as innocent and cannot be night-killed. Each day, you may choose a player. At the end of the day, you will be informed what item(s) they had at the start of that day. Each night, choose a player and an item. If the chosen player has that item, you will steal it, preventing them from using it. You win when nothing else can stop you from winning or you collect the following items:
Brown Rice or White Rice
Black Beans or Pinto Beans
Chicken
Pico de Gallo
Cheese
Napkins
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I have 4 possible theories

1. After reading this, you can see the only reason chaqa would not go after the chicken is to grab their guaranteed item. This mean that someone's item was stolen and they didn't say anything. Given that all items could be given to town, I can't really fathom a reason why someone would do this, but it's worth thinking about.

2.Perhaps chaqa did go after the chicken, but was roleblocked, thereby being unable to steal it. This would mean that chaqa is one of damo or ghug. Chaqa may also have been roleblocked stealing the "safe" item, which would explain the lack of claim in 1.

3. Jamie is 3p. You can't steal your own chicken. This one is probably a bit too megabrained to be correct. It doesn't explain the lack of claim for the n1 steal.

4. Jamie lied, someone else had the chicken. I only see this occurring if Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder. That way, there is incentive to let it look like it was jamie. Considering the death of Kak, I find this the least likely, but you never know, some people like to bus.


Something I realised after writing this is that perhaps chaqa stole celaph's item? I looked through celaph's D1 to see if there would be anything worth the first item scan, but didn't find anything (bar those e coli mentions; there were a lot, especially for someone who was not even scum). If this was the steal, that means the mafia know this happened (because they didn't get the item).

Any other thoughts?

[ghug]

Question of the hour:

Why was Jamie's item not stolen last night?

It's more obvious d2, but someone looking for this could probably work it out quite easily. There is no downside to chaqa for being wrong, and chicken is not only necessary, but also powerful in its own right.

entering conspiracy zone:

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Third Party:
Ability: item hoarder
Role PM: Within the Chipotle loyalty and marketing division, there exists a rumor: a customer whose spending and consumption of Chipotle is truly monstrous. What started as a surprise favorite has spiraled into obsession and compulsion. You are Chaqa, the Chipotle fanatic. From your secret hideout next to the Chipotle test lab (which you found through clever social engineering), you heard the early alarm signalling the infiltrators and went to action. Your mission: seize the prototype Chipotle ingredients and begin your takeover of Chipotle. You scan as innocent and cannot be night-killed. Each day, you may choose a player. At the end of the day, you will be informed what item(s) they had at the start of that day. Each night, choose a player and an item. If the chosen player has that item, you will steal it, preventing them from using it. You win when nothing else can stop you from winning or you collect the following items:
Brown Rice or White Rice
Black Beans or Pinto Beans
Chicken
Pico de Gallo
Cheese
Napkins
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I have 4 possible theories

1. After reading this, you can see the only reason chaqa would not go after the chicken is to grab their guaranteed item. This mean that someone's item was stolen and they didn't say anything. Given that all items could be given to town, I can't really fathom a reason why someone would do this, but it's worth thinking about.

2.Perhaps chaqa did go after the chicken, but was roleblocked, thereby being unable to steal it. This would mean that chaqa is one of damo or ghug. Chaqa may also have been roleblocked stealing the "safe" item, which would explain the lack of claim in 1.

3. Jamie is 3p. You can't steal your own chicken. This one is probably a bit too megabrained to be correct. It doesn't explain the lack of claim for the n1 steal.

4. Jamie lied, someone else had the chicken. I only see this occurring if Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder. That way, there is incentive to let it look like it was jamie. Considering the death of Kak, I find this the least likely, but you never know, some people like to bus.


Something I realised after writing this is that perhaps chaqa stole celaph's item? I looked through celaph's D1 to see if there would be anything worth the first item scan, but didn't find anything (bar those e coli mentions; there were a lot, especially for someone who was not even scum). If this was the steal, that means the mafia know this happened (because they didn't get the item).

Any other thoughts?

Where's 5. 3P didn't pick up on it? or 6. Chaqa banked on Jamie's item being around tomorrow?

It is interesting that Jamie didn't contemplate why his item wasn't stolen when accusing me of being 3P, but I'm not sure anyone other than me picked up on him having the chicken.

Do you think 3P damo would do what he's done tonight?

[Vecna]

Good work guys. I didn´t see it coming, Kak did a good job buddying me.

I guess this means Jamiet is town afterall.

Jamie did not have much choice but to vote for Kakarroto, the fact that you think this makes him town after apparently having a strong scum read of him makes me suspect you had prior knowledge that he was town.

This post is a scumtell for Bozo.

He is absolutely misframing Rdrivera here, and also misframing how jamiet behaved towards the Kakarotto wagon.

Rdrivera was lessening his scumread on jamiet with each passing post. He was showing more and more doubt towards the end of the day. Jamiet was providing pretty decent'ish reasons, and was critical of the way Kakarotto jumped on his wagon, citing that he felt that was the one scum jumping on late.

This feels like the way he formed a scumread on me that one game where he was tunneling on me as scum. Trying to form reasoning that just doesnt cut it.

[Vecna]

Question of the hour:

Why was Jamie's item not stolen last night?

It's more obvious d2, but someone looking for this could probably work it out quite easily. There is no downside to chaqa for being wrong, and chicken is not only necessary, but also powerful in its own right.

entering conspiracy zone:

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Third Party:
Ability: item hoarder
Role PM: Within the Chipotle loyalty and marketing division, there exists a rumor: a customer whose spending and consumption of Chipotle is truly monstrous. What started as a surprise favorite has spiraled into obsession and compulsion. You are Chaqa, the Chipotle fanatic. From your secret hideout next to the Chipotle test lab (which you found through clever social engineering), you heard the early alarm signalling the infiltrators and went to action. Your mission: seize the prototype Chipotle ingredients and begin your takeover of Chipotle. You scan as innocent and cannot be night-killed. Each day, you may choose a player. At the end of the day, you will be informed what item(s) they had at the start of that day. Each night, choose a player and an item. If the chosen player has that item, you will steal it, preventing them from using it. You win when nothing else can stop you from winning or you collect the following items:
Brown Rice or White Rice
Black Beans or Pinto Beans
Chicken
Pico de Gallo
Cheese
Napkins
--------------------------------------------------

I have 4 possible theories

1. After reading this, you can see the only reason chaqa would not go after the chicken is to grab their guaranteed item. This mean that someone's item was stolen and they didn't say anything. Given that all items could be given to town, I can't really fathom a reason why someone would do this, but it's worth thinking about.

2.Perhaps chaqa did go after the chicken, but was roleblocked, thereby being unable to steal it. This would mean that chaqa is one of damo or ghug. Chaqa may also have been roleblocked stealing the "safe" item, which would explain the lack of claim in 1.

3. Jamie is 3p. You can't steal your own chicken. This one is probably a bit too megabrained to be correct. It doesn't explain the lack of claim for the n1 steal.

4. Jamie lied, someone else had the chicken. I only see this occurring if Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder. That way, there is incentive to let it look like it was jamie. Considering the death of Kak, I find this the least likely, but you never know, some people like to bus.


Something I realised after writing this is that perhaps chaqa stole celaph's item? I looked through celaph's D1 to see if there would be anything worth the first item scan, but didn't find anything (bar those e coli mentions; there were a lot, especially for someone who was not even scum). If this was the steal, that means the mafia know this happened (because they didn't get the item).

Any other thoughts?

Another possibility is that the 3P didnt really notice jamiets claim, and just didnt find an item worthwhile stealing.

The thought of the roleblock is an interesting one, and especially Damo was really fast after that EoD to look at potential 3P implications.

[damo666]

Question of the hour:

Why was Jamie's item not stolen last night?

It's more obvious d2, but someone looking for this could probably work it out quite easily. There is no downside to chaqa for being wrong, and chicken is not only necessary, but also powerful in its own right.

entering conspiracy zone:

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Third Party:
Ability: item hoarder
Role PM: Within the Chipotle loyalty and marketing division, there exists a rumor: a customer whose spending and consumption of Chipotle is truly monstrous. What started as a surprise favorite has spiraled into obsession and compulsion. You are Chaqa, the Chipotle fanatic. From your secret hideout next to the Chipotle test lab (which you found through clever social engineering), you heard the early alarm signalling the infiltrators and went to action. Your mission: seize the prototype Chipotle ingredients and begin your takeover of Chipotle. You scan as innocent and cannot be night-killed. Each day, you may choose a player. At the end of the day, you will be informed what item(s) they had at the start of that day. Each night, choose a player and an item. If the chosen player has that item, you will steal it, preventing them from using it. You win when nothing else can stop you from winning or you collect the following items:
Brown Rice or White Rice
Black Beans or Pinto Beans
Chicken
Pico de Gallo
Cheese
Napkins
--------------------------------------------------

I have 4 possible theories

1. After reading this, you can see the only reason chaqa would not go after the chicken is to grab their guaranteed item. This mean that someone's item was stolen and they didn't say anything. Given that all items could be given to town, I can't really fathom a reason why someone would do this, but it's worth thinking about.

2.Perhaps chaqa did go after the chicken, but was roleblocked, thereby being unable to steal it. This would mean that chaqa is one of damo or ghug. Chaqa may also have been roleblocked stealing the "safe" item, which would explain the lack of claim in 1.

3. Jamie is 3p. You can't steal your own chicken. This one is probably a bit too megabrained to be correct. It doesn't explain the lack of claim for the n1 steal.

4. Jamie lied, someone else had the chicken. I only see this occurring if Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder. That way, there is incentive to let it look like it was jamie. Considering the death of Kak, I find this the least likely, but you never know, some people like to bus.


Something I realised after writing this is that perhaps chaqa stole celaph's item? I looked through celaph's D1 to see if there would be anything worth the first item scan, but didn't find anything (bar those e coli mentions; there were a lot, especially for someone who was not even scum). If this was the steal, that means the mafia know this happened (because they didn't get the item).

Any other thoughts?

Another possibility is that the 3P didnt really notice jamiets claim, and just didnt find an item worthwhile stealing.

The thought of the roleblock is an interesting one, and especially Damo was really fast after that EoD to look at potential 3P implications.

I think 3p not noticing is the most likely option.
It could be roleblocked 3p ghug but then why didn't he take the easy option on joining the kak wagon unless caught out by the hammer. Possible but unlikely.
Someone else was roleblocked but that would imply ghug fake claimed RB, highly unlikely.
I think Maniac* just didn't notice.
* my best guess at the moment.

[damo666]

Current prediction

Maf: Bozo worcej + a townread like Bob or HamB
3p: Maniac

Plea to Mafia: please nk Maniac
Plea to doc: please do not save Maniac
If Maniac does not die he is nailed as 3p

[damo666]

Current prediction

Maf: Bozo worcej + a townread like Bob or HamB
3p: Maniac

Plea to Mafia: please nk Maniac
Plea to doc: please do not save Maniac
If Maniac does not die he is nailed as 3p

Correction:
If no one dies Maniac is nailed as 3p

Message to Mafia: You should not try NK anyone else. If you happen to hit non Maniac 3p you'll have to tell us and give up one of your team.

Note that 3p will almost certainly try nick the chicken tonight.

Plea to town rb: RB Maniac jic mafia don't follow my advice.

Message to Maniac - sorry if I have this wrong.

[Maniac]

Question of the hour:

Why was Jamie's item not stolen last night?


4. Jamie lied, someone else had the chicken. I only see this occurring if Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder. That way, there is incentive to let it look like it was jamie. Considering the death of Kak, I find this the least likely, but you never know, some people like to bus.


Any other thoughts?

If Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder Jamie wouldn’t know one of his partners was holding the chicken when he first accused Ghug of lying.

[TheMadMonarch]

To those who claim that I missed the fact that 3p didn't notice, I direct you to state 1, where they take the item that they viewed day 1. I don't see any reason to not take an item if it's available.

[TheMadMonarch]

Question of the hour:

Why was Jamie's item not stolen last night?


4. Jamie lied, someone else had the chicken. I only see this occurring if Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder. That way, there is incentive to let it look like it was jamie. Considering the death of Kak, I find this the least likely, but you never know, some people like to bus.


Any other thoughts?

If Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder Jamie wouldn’t know one of his partners was holding the chicken when he first accused Ghug of lying.

Perhaps. But that info may have been in the QT.


##CALL GM
Would the mafia be able to know eachother's items before N1? (like, that info was just sitting in the QT).

[ghug]

To those who claim that I missed the fact that 3p didn't notice, I direct you to state 1, where they take the item that they viewed day 1. I don't see any reason to not take an item if it's available.

Oh, I didn't realize that they could take items outside their list.

I feel like this implicates bozo (in addition to the obvious me/damo), because he reads the setup.

I suppose there's an outside shot they stole from celaph or didn't steal at all because they expected this line of logic.

[damo666]

To those who claim that I missed the fact that 3p didn't notice, I direct you to state 1, where they take the item that they viewed day 1. I don't see any reason to not take an item if it's available.

Oh, I didn't realize that they could take items outside their list.

I feel like this implicates bozo (in addition to the obvious me/damo), because he reads the setup.

I suppose there's an outside shot they stole from celaph or didn't steal at all because they expected this line of logic.

Why outside the list?

3p scans player X who has one of their required items so 3p steals it.

If someone had an item stolen N1 (especially one the 3p requires) I think they should claim.

In the event of no such claim I have to make ghug a strong suspect. He was the only player on both Bona and Jamie and the rb would then explain Jamie retaining chicken.

If there is a claim ghug is clear.

If no claim has arisen by near EON strongly suggest Mafia RB ghug.

[damo666]

Cont/

If Mafia nk Maniac and RB ghug and town RB Maniac and doc not save Maniac then

No death would imply Maniac 3p (unless Jamie item stolen but I think that's impossible because why would Maniac then not die.

If Maniac dies and item not stolen ghug looks guilty.

If Maniac dies and item is stolen then ghug is not 3p.

[damo666]

And if neither ghug nor Maniac are 3p we need to look at rdr and worcej.

My brain is hurting.

[Maniac]

@Damo - just so I understand this...

You were on both daykills. You say you were RB when Jamie’s chicken wasn’t stolen and now you want to encourage town and Mafia to RB Ghug and me. You have a keen interest in who the 3P is.

An impartial observer might see a pattern here.

[damo666]

@Damo - just so I understand this...

You were on both daykills. You say you were RB when Jamie’s chicken wasn’t stolen and now you want to encourage town and Mafia to RB Ghug and me. You have a keen interest in who the 3P is.

An impartial observer might see a pattern here.

Yep. Obviously I could be 3p but from what I've hinted it should be very clear I'm not. Also, I would hardly be banging on about 3p if I were would I?

I note you haven't denied my accusation.

[Maniac]

@Damo - just so I understand this...

You were on both daykills. You say you were RB when Jamie’s chicken wasn’t stolen and now you want to encourage town and Mafia to RB Ghug and me. You have a keen interest in who the 3P is.

An impartial observer might see a pattern here.

Yep. Obviously I could be 3p but from what I've hinted it should be very clear I'm not. Also, I would hardly be banging on about 3p if I were would I?

I note you haven't denied my accusation.

I’m not going to confirm or deny you accusation.

[damo666]

@Damo - just so I understand this...

You were on both daykills. You say you were RB when Jamie’s chicken wasn’t stolen and now you want to encourage town and Mafia to RB Ghug and me. You have a keen interest in who the 3P is.

An impartial observer might see a pattern here.

Yep. Obviously I could be 3p but from what I've hinted it should be very clear I'm not. Also, I would hardly be banging on about 3p if I were would I?

I note you haven't denied my accusation.

I’m not going to confirm or deny you accusation.

Hmmm

[rdrivera2005]

that 3P party push from jamie is just ridiculous, even as a non-native english speaker I'm confident that refers to a 'neutral party between the two of ghug and jamie'.

To the consolidation of votes regarding jamie: so I have the choice of a lurker, one of my bigger mafia reads, one of my highest townreads and a townish one; or go yolo solo.

So realistically, lfishl or jamie. While I do not like lfishls game, I think with what he has shown, jamie has a higher percentage of being mafia. ##vote jamie

furthermore, I want you all to inform, that I have today and tomorrow nightshift, so I'll miss EoD and EoN. I'll prepare myself to go to work right now and have a look back here before I go.

If Kakarroto had followed his EON reads list, lfischl would have been his choice over Jamie. He could have just voted for lfischl and probably not drawn the suspicion that he did, so maybe he did this because lfischl is mafia.

So, it's still more likely lfischl is scum then Jamiet. Still don't get why you think my conclusion that Jamiet is likely town isn't justified.

[rdrivera2005]

Has Kakarrota done anything to lean scum, then? I mean, I think so but I'm re-reading both now, would like to hear your thoughts (and others')

I prefer not to DK Kakarrota because he posted the full reads list I requested right at EON, and I do not see much scum motivation for doing this considering how few players participated in my survey request.

Hard disagree here. I would have leapt at that opportunity if I was scum. Reads list are one of my scum tells (y'all forget this next game), they're easy, the don't need much reasoning, and you can keep them open as an easy means of remembering who you scumread.

This is totally true. I used to do it a lot as scum (then it became obvious).