M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

I may be scummy (I don't think I am) but I an not scum.

Why is Macca likely town (other than you can say that of anyone). In other words why is the probability of Macca being town > 2/3?

ooh look at me im damo and im throwing math into places its not relevant to seem on brand
macca is likely town because their play looks very much like their towngame, and not much like their scumgame
it is very consistent with how town! macca would act
now why the heck did you need to throw in a random 2/3 in a simple question to ask me to expand on my read?

It's not random. There are 10 town out of 15 left. That's 2/3.

the point is you dont need to throw in fractions in order to ask me "why does this person seem towny"
believe it or not, i dont actually go around going "ooh, macca has a 10/13 chance to be town, thats pretty good"
so why did you put the fraction there?

[worcej]

How does Macca's scum game differ from Macca's town game, in your analysis?

scum macca tends to be much more averse to massclaims
theyre also more hesitant than theyve seemed here, and tend to spend more time messing around
i would not expect them to be quite so stubborn about your chicken claim either

How many times has Macca been scum?

I think 2 or 3?

The last time he was scum in a big game, he was relatively caught but got saved/carried.

[BobMcBob]

How does Macca's scum game differ from Macca's town game, in your analysis?

scum macca tends to be much more averse to massclaims
theyre also more hesitant than theyve seemed here, and tend to spend more time messing around
i would not expect them to be quite so stubborn about your chicken claim either

How many times has Macca been scum?

more than youd expect from someone whos played that number of games

[Jamiet99uk]

Macca is likely town because their play looks very much like their towngame, and not much like their scumgame.
It is very consistent with how town!Macca would act.
Now why the heck did you need to throw in a random 2/3 in a simple question to ask me to expand on my read?

How does Macca's scum game differ from Macca's town game, in your analysis?

Scum Macca tends to be much more averse to massclaims.
They are also more hesitant than they have seemed here, and tend to spend more time messing aboot.
I would not expect them to be quite so stubborn about your chicken claim either.

Nobody other than Bozo has seriously suggested a massclaim, and Macca didn't really participate in that discussion, I don't think. I'm not sure how that can be a specific towntell.

I do agree that Macca's weird stubbornness directed at Snowy over the issue of whether I had claimed the Chicken item did kinda feel more towny. It could possibly be faked but I guess it didn't feel that way.

I think I am townleaning Macca, on reflection.

[Vecna]

Sucks when that "kill the lurkers" becomes the narrative but I don't see any way around it. I'd suggest we need a competitive counterwagon but I do not believe jamie should be that wagon.

I mean I kind of echo damo's post with 0 scum reads, scum reads have been hard to come by this game, and then this is what happens.

As for the Maniac thing, I mentioned this earlier but the movement away is timestamped at literal last second. Nobody moved "off" Maniac, just onto Bona, and as I was the one who made the final determination you'd have to directly accuse me of saving (which I guess you could), but I repeat that I don't see the mass motion onto Bona as particularly suspicious

Two caveats: one, okay chance 3P is on the final 3 just to claim the item but not anything concrete
two, as someone (forget who) said, it is an ordinary thing for scum to not make the save, but "confirm" the save with votes like that just so there's no last minute crazy upsets that flips over a scum Maniac

The lack of scumreads probably indicates a couple of experienced scum who can look towny, Vecna springs to mind. (Sorry Vecna, it's a compliment really).

While I agree with your sentiment, it just shows us that we probably shouldnt let the people that are/were on the chopping dictate what were actually doing today.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie please stop mucking about with titles and names. Cheers.

Ok Damo, sorry.

[rdrivera2005]

I don't get what you want with this questions. I answered to anyone who addressed me, so it's pretty obvious I don't agree with that Vecna remark and I said this pretty vocally, so what else you want to hear?

I was mainly interested in how you feel about Vecna directly. But I see that you said town, but less, which I did read but apparently just never processed in my head so my bad.

I wasn't accusing you of being hostile in a bad way, I was just trying to understand what you think of him. You did bag him pretty tight last game (albeit with a huge advantage)

Did you have any questions? Not just for me, it just feels like you're not asking a lot and just mainly being responsive.

Agree, I am always behind and with limited time but this is just an excuse. I am not feeling the game as I usually do, I don't know how I can express it better.

[Vecna]

@ghug @Maniac @rdr

If you think lfischl would be a mk you should move off Jamie. With 3 votes n Jamie he is almost forced into voting lfischl.

[damo666]

ooh look at me im damo and im throwing math into places its not relevant to seem on brand
macca is likely town because their play looks very much like their towngame, and not much like their scumgame
it is very consistent with how town! macca would act
now why the heck did you need to throw in a random 2/3 in a simple question to ask me to expand on my read?

It's not random. There are 10 town out of 15 left. That's 2/3.

the point is you dont need to throw in fractions in order to ask me "why does this person seem towny"
believe it or not, i dont actually go around going "ooh, macca has a 10/13 chance to be town, thats pretty good"
so why did you put the fraction there?

In the post where you accused me of having garbage logic you said

"macca likely town"

The point I am making is that EVERYONE is likely town. You are implying that Macca is more likely to be town than average (by saying they shouldn't be killed). I was therefore asking why you thought Macca more likely town than the average person (which you have done) and by implication that their probability of being town is > 2/3.

[Jamiet99uk]

You’re assuming I think fish is making good content.

I just didn’t recall any big scumreads on him and then reviewing the bot showed me it was a ‘get the lurker’ kill.

It is a 'get the lurker' kill.

Why do you think that is "weird" exactly?

Why fish over me? Or Rdr? Or Kakk? Or bozo?

You have, on aggregate, participated a considerable amount more than Lfischl has. Would you describe yourself as a lurker?

I would be willing to vote the other three. Bozo in particular as I have stated several times.

[damo666]

It is a 'get the lurker' kill.

Why do you think that is "weird" exactly?

Why fish over me? Or Rdr? Or Kakk? Or bozo?

You have, on aggregate, participated a considerable amount more than Lfischl has. Would you describe yourself as a lurker?

I would be willing to vote the other three. Bozo in particular as I have stated several times.

##vote Bozo

There you go.

[damo666]

I am mainly voting Bozo to force him come play. I may well switch.

[Vecna]

##vote Jamiet

[rdrivera2005]

Have you played with Ghug before? Oh wait, like 30 times before? Maybe more even?

So why do you brush the possibility off that easily while you actually scumread Jamiet?

I don't bush the possibility but Jamiet and Ghug interaction is so weird that I don't see any reason for scum to play this way. I have been scum with Ghug recently and won also lost against scum Ghug recently and he played pretty well on both games.

Do you think I'm playing well this game?

I think you can play well as scum (and as town too, sometimes) and I don't see you entering in this kind of theater with a scum partner to gain nothing. I suppose you can do it just for the fun, but with Jamiet it won't be fun at all.

[Vecna]

but do you think Ghug is -playing well- this game?

[BobMcBob]

How does Macca's scum game differ from Macca's town game, in your analysis?

Scum Macca tends to be much more averse to massclaims.
They are also more hesitant than they have seemed here, and tend to spend more time messing aboot.
I would not expect them to be quite so stubborn about your chicken claim either.

Nobody other than Bozo has seriously suggested a massclaim, and Macca didn't really participate in that discussion, I don't think. I'm not sure how that can be a specific towntell.

I do agree that Macca's weird stubbornness directed at Snowy over the issue of whether I had claimed the Chicken item did kinda feel more towny. It could possibly be faked but I guess it didn't feel that way.

I think I am townleaning Macca, on reflection.

one of maccas few d1 posts was responding directly to bozos massclaim proposal
its not a huge thing, but i count it in their favour

[Jamiet99uk]

The point I am making is that EVERYONE is likely town. You are implying that Macca is more likely to be town than average (by saying they shouldn't be killed). I was therefore asking why you thought Macca more likely town than the average person (which you have done) and by implication that their probability of being town is > 2/3.

Did you know that the great majority of people have more than the average number of legs?

[Jamiet99uk]

Why fish over me? Or Rdr? Or Kakk? Or bozo?

You have, on aggregate, participated a considerable amount more than Lfischl has. Would you describe yourself as a lurker?

I would be willing to vote the other three. Bozo in particular as I have stated several times.

##vote Bozo

There you go.

##vote Bozo

There I go.

[Vecna]

Because I mean, the obvious answer, would be no, right?

He's clearly struggling to provide content. He's being more superficial in his questioning. His catchups feel more like he's viewing it as a chore.

Im not sure if its due to alignment, or due to disinterest, but im just feeling that Ghug, mostly of everyone, is not feeling this game.

Youre not picking up on that?

[BobMcBob]

@ghug @Maniac @rdr

If you think lfischl would be a mk you should move off Jamie. With 3 votes n Jamie he is almost forced into voting lfischl.

oh dear he said what?
oh dear