M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

##unvote

I think I was wrong to vote snowy.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ummm... Hey guys....

I was silenced (more details in later posts), and it apparently lasted 24 hours with a PM reminder.

However, my PMs have broke and it seems to have deleted everything after the 21 june.

I'm gonna assume it's safe to talk. but ##CALL GM please stop me otherwise.

Interesting. Welcome back, lettuce-eating Macca.

[Jamiet99uk]

I asked you why you ignored my minifesto on you but responded to Snowy's suspicions.

I don't think I've ignored you at all.

Was there a specific actual question?

That was the question.

You came back to me and snowy both voicing suspicion of you, and you responded only to Snowy's points. This is part of what is now a pattern of being avoidant (see again my having to point out this question several times), though as Snowy points out, you've moved to avoiding by being intentionally obtuse rather than simply ignoring.

Sorry Ghug, I am not trying to be obtuse. But you are not being very clear, from my standpoint, about what you are asking me. The above post does not contain anything I can identify as a direct question.

I have replied to you numerous times and clearly I am not avoiding you. What are the questions or points that you want me to answer? Please can you express this in the form of a question??

[damo666]

Is Macca just lurking or have they eaten something that disagreed with them?

They did eat something that disagreed with them. A lettuce to be precise.


It's especially interesting that I was fed this lettuce. I am a notoriously low poster, with notoriously little useful things to say, why use it on me?

The only reason I see, is if I was if I had spotted a mafioso (since I would likely tunnel), and they wanted less of it said.

Who is the only person on my radar day 1? Snowy.
Tip of the iceberg, really not jiving with snowy.
##VOTE snowy

Why the iceberg reference when 24hr silencing is the effect of a different lettuce?

[Jamiet99uk]

Ghug is playing kinda like Scum HR plays. He's hounding me for not answering a question, yet despite me asking multiple times for clarification, he isn't asking me a clear question. Then each time I ask him to clarify, he accuses me of dodging him.

It's a clever strategy to try to make it look like your target is being evasive. But if you're town, Ghug, it's really unhelpful.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok, for me it was clear it was a progression from my other posts where I agreed with Vecna's initial scumread of Jamiet and disagreed when Vecna said he looks more towny when I think he looks more scummy. But I didn't vote because I hadn't catch up and I don't like to vote before being updated.

So, my vote on Jamiet isn't because he kept calling me lurker (which I have been) but because I already scumread him.

The fact he specifically picked up on me lurking after I started to scumread him (at night he called out all lurkers, today only me) is just another thing that point to scum Jamiet.

Completely follow you on your progression.

Want to clarify on your Jamiet thing: do you believe that Jamiet specifically called you a lurker based on the circumstance in an attempt to discredit or intimidate you because he saw you accusing him as a threat?

Or is it more that you think it's likely his instinctive OMGUSing, as well as him arbitrarily dropping all other lurkers from consideration, points to him not actually caring about lurkers in general and only making a show of it?

Hey - false narrative alert!

I have also repeatedly called out Lfishcl for lack of activity.

"Dropping all other lurkers from consideration" is not something I am guilty of.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh my grumpy endvote is still there, whups.

##unend

[snowy801]

Snowy, I get youre somewhat unfamiliair with me, but just take it from me....

This is my town game, and pretty much noone is going to scumread me this game, whatsoever. Trust their read. Im one of those chums whose scumgame suffers because my towngame overpowers it in every way possible.

Both of these things are woefully inaccurate.

So you scum read him?

[damo666]

Bob: obvtown
bozo: was townleaning, now not so sure
food*: null
ghug: assume rb claim makes him more likely town than not
HamB: solid town
Jamie: doubt he'd claim dv as scum, assume town
Kak*: ?
lfischl*: null
Macca*: don't see the silencing as ai; null
Maniac: townlean
rdr: townlean
snowy: effort => town I guess
Vecna: probtown
worcej*: ?

* players I am willing to vote for

##vote worcej

[snowy801]

Other people i town read: snowy, HB, Vecna, Bob, Ghug.

People I could vote for today Jamie, lfischl, WorceJ, kakarroto (possibly, they were null but snowy has me questioning that read).

What specifically of my vague accusations rings with you on Kakarroto?

[snowy801]

Pretty solid post.

What's solid about it? What do you like and dislike?

[snowy801]

Bob: obvtown
bozo: was townleaning, now not so sure
food*: null
ghug: assume rb claim makes him more likely town than not
HamB: solid town
Jamie: doubt he'd claim dv as scum, assume town
Kak*: ?
lfischl*: null
Macca*: don't see the silencing as ai; null
Maniac: townlean
rdr: townlean
snowy: effort => town I guess
Vecna: probtown
worcej*: ?

* players I am willing to vote for

##vote worcej

Would you say this is a purely PoE voting pool? Do you have any reasons to scum read anyone?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm trying to say Jamiet is not dumb, that he knows what he's doing and his unnatural reactions are not a result of 'normal Jamiet' but slips in acting. Is this the characterization you would disagree with?

In a fantasy world where you are right, who am I bussing?

a town player perhaps?
although i think that might just be called voting at that point
all this terminology is too much to remember

Bussing a town player would be.... unusual.

[snowy801]

##vote Kakarroto

[Jamiet99uk]

I did make the links. I do reflect on my views on you. That doesn't mean I can't ask you the question, nor does it mean that you're not still dodging the question.

But I suppose if you don't want to, you don't want to.

If I have responded to your question, and if you're confident you can make the links, then did I really dodge your question at all?

I purport not.

you are very well aware you dodged the question
just because we can still gain information from it does not mean you didnt dodge it

Is your name "Snowy" ?

Why do you keep answering things that I addressed to Snowy (and to which Snowy has responded)?

[damo666]

Pretty solid post.

What's solid about it? What do you like and dislike?

I agreed with it apart from food

[damo666]

Bob: obvtown
bozo: was townleaning, now not so sure
food*: null
ghug: assume rb claim makes him more likely town than not
HamB: solid town
Jamie: doubt he'd claim dv as scum, assume town
Kak*: ?
lfischl*: null
Macca*: don't see the silencing as ai; null
Maniac: townlean
rdr: townlean
snowy: effort => town I guess
Vecna: probtown
worcej*: ?

* players I am willing to vote for

##vote worcej

Would you say this is a purely PoE voting pool? Do you have any reasons to scum read anyone?

Yes. No.

[Jamiet99uk]

Not sure what happened to my last post. Anyway, we're way too fractured. There's this breakdown of personalities and that's where all the focus is going. If we don't get that under control we're going to be heading to the end a lot faster than we expected.

I don't know what the answer is. Maybe those ongoing beefs around play style and not answering questions need to take a back seat.

Pollyannish of me but we need to coalesce. I know I am not offering an answer but maybe we put the subjective stuff aside and focus on pure objectivity. Posts, Times, and piss away the snide comments. A lot of you have fantastic skills...Jamie, ghug, Vecna, Snowy, Maniac. Focus on using them.

This is my last game for a while and I want to come out with a town win.

This is a good post.

[Hamilton Brian]

Why the iceberg reference when 24hr silencing is the effect of a different lettuce?

Tip of the kale just doesn't flow?

[Jamiet99uk]

Best play today is almost certainly to hang a lurker imo. I'm not nearly as sold enough on Jamiet or damo, and have no support or basis on Kaka. I'd hoped we'd have some item results today but all we've got are two roleblock claims, which I'm uncertain is in any way meaningful. All the people you just mentioned aren't even pretending to be trying, but neither do I read (most of) them as scum. And I don't know if it's good or bad that my scum reads aren't shifting elsewhere

I'd be willing to DK Lfischl, who has contributed very little, or Rdrivera, who is little better.