M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

New thought:

Whoever's holding the day hammer should just expend it like 1 minute before day ends.

I can't see a world where not having more time to discuss and think is advantageous to town, and if it isn't already eventually it'll just end up in the hands of bad faith actors.

[bozotheclown]

This seems to imply damo was your top DK choice, yet it was your moving your vote from damo to Bonatogether that likely took damo out of contention for the DK. Also, damo had the same 2 votes he did when you left his wagon, so I do not know what you mean when you say he "had an additional vote".

I think your vote movement D1 EOD is consistent with bussing damo while also trying to make sure he was not the DK.

Also, celaph was one of the two who followed your vote for damo, so it is possible he was NKed to allow you to continue to bus damo while reducing the chance of him becoming the DK.

I wasn't feeling so hot on damo. Still aren't, to be honest.

One more vote = he had two other voters, HB only had one.

Do you scum read damo then? What makes you think that?

I was not scum reading damo until reviewing the EOD voting and realizing that your first vote move from damo to Bonatogether likely took damo out of contention for the DK, even though you started the damo wagon.

[snowy801]

I was not scum reading damo until reviewing the EOD voting and realizing that your first vote move from damo to Bonatogether likely took damo out of contention for the DK, even though you started the damo wagon.

Well, if your entire basis is my actions and not his own I can only tell you that's wrong for whatever it's worth.

I don't think people should feel committed to their wagons just for 'politics' at the end, especially at day 1. EoD used to be a lot more dynamic, I feel like, and it's a shame.

How do you feel about damo's roleblock claim, along with his "townslips"? Theatre?

[Maniac]

My best guess is he noticed he's kept putting his foot in his mouth and is deliberately invoking his cantankerous image to avoid digging a deeper hole, whilst simultaneously trying not to appear like he's running away.

But hey, scene change:

Anyone have any opinions on that Kakarroto guy? How about you, Maniac? Welcome to the game.

Kakarroto is interesting. He voted for me for allegedly responding to their post, and has not moved off me since. No thought development or even checking why they originally voted for me. It's quite odd, but not sure if it's alignment indicative. I do like their humour. It is ironic that he calls out lfischl and Macca for being lurkers when he has so few posts.

How do you feel about Kaka popping his head near EoD and saying "glad people are following me" on you as though he had a solid reason to keep voting you, even if his original vote was (so far as I can tell) a joke?

How do you further feel him saying "let's pick up where we left off" start of day today, instead of you know, literally taking anything else that happened in the game into account?

How do you last feel about Kaka dismissing the first four people who were on Bona's wagon as possibly being scummy as part of his "let's scum-analyze anyone who voted Bona" initiative?

Kararroto’s actions are probably just as much indicative of town as scum. Town often pick a player almost at random and then tunnel and the really want to see them flip to see if they were right. They get scared of moving off ‘just in case they were right all along’. Despite all of us getting it wrong more than we get it right, whenever their target flips town, they just repeat the same old actions time and again.

Specifically with regard to Kakarroto this game, I don’t think the NK told us much so I can understand why they would want to continue where they left of. Also there is often an urge to DK the second D1 wagon ‘for info’ whereas often (including this game) it’s just T v T.

[Maniac]

New thought:

Whoever's holding the day hammer should just expend it like 1 minute before day ends.

I can't see a world where not having more time to discuss and think is advantageous to town, and if it isn't already eventually it'll just end up in the hands of bad faith actors.

If I had a hammer, I’d hammer in the morning...

But, seriously I’d hammer as soon as one of my top scum reads was in the lead (actual lead accounting for possible double votes). That way I can be sure that the DK is not manipulated by scum.

[snowy801]

If I had a hammer, I’d hammer in the morning...

But, seriously I’d hammer as soon as one of my top scum reads was in the lead (actual lead accounting for possible double votes). That way I can be sure that the DK is not manipulated by scum.

Idk, sounds like vain heroics to me. If manipulation is happening, better to see it than stop it from ever emerging. But I suppose, if you're really confident. Would you hammer Jamiet? How confident would you have to be for your "top scum" to be willing to hammer?

Any other takes?

[rdrivera2005]

Ok, for me it was clear it was a progression from my other posts where I agreed with Vecna's initial scumread of Jamiet and disagreed when Vecna said he looks more towny when I think he looks more scummy. But I didn't vote because I hadn't catch up and I don't like to vote before being updated.

So, my vote on Jamiet isn't because he kept calling me lurker (which I have been) but because I already scumread him.

The fact he specifically picked up on me lurking after I started to scumread him (at night he called out all lurkers, today only me) is just another thing that point to scum Jamiet.

Completely follow you on your progression.

Want to clarify on your Jamiet thing: do you believe that Jamiet specifically called you a lurker based on the circumstance in an attempt to discredit or intimidate you because he saw you accusing him as a threat?

Or is it more that you think it's likely his instinctive OMGUSing, as well as him arbitrarily dropping all other lurkers from consideration, points to him not actually caring about lurkers in general and only making a show of it?

I think Jamiet was calling out lurkers in order to look like hunting (and that's why I told he was parroting Damo). And when I started to suspect him he tried to discredit me and just ignored other lurkers. So, a bit of the two options you pointed.

[snowy801]

I think Jamiet was calling out lurkers in order to look like hunting (and that's why I told he was parroting Damo). And when I started to suspect him he tried to discredit me and just ignored other lurkers. So, a bit of the two options you pointed.

Okay, cool.

What other opinions do you have on people, aside from Jamiet? I see you said ghug seemed a bit weird, but little else I can recall.

[snowy801]

Eh, meh, mah

##vote lfischl

[damo666]

##GM Note:

I decreased the margins on the document a bit, it's *slightly* better on mobile now in general.

Why didn't you just post it in thread?

[rdrivera2005]

I think Jamiet was calling out lurkers in order to look like hunting (and that's why I told he was parroting Damo). And when I started to suspect him he tried to discredit me and just ignored other lurkers. So, a bit of the two options you pointed.

Okay, cool.

What other opinions do you have on people, aside from Jamiet? I see you said ghug seemed a bit weird, but little else I can recall.

I am torn on Ghug. I can see him being 3P or Mafia but this thing with Jamiet is so unnecessary that I don't see two scum doing this.

I had some suspicion on Brian but totally based on tone and also Damo, but the RB claim seems towny.

I have a townread on you, Bozo and Food. Bob and Vecna are also on the town side, but less.

The others are on the null side.

[snowy801]

##GM Note:

I decreased the margins on the document a bit, it's *slightly* better on mobile now in general.

Why didn't you just post it in thread?

He said he wanted to save space on the opening post.

Hey damo, how's life?

[Hamilton Brian]

New thought:

Whoever's holding the day hammer should just expend it like 1 minute before day ends.

I can't see a world where not having more time to discuss and think is advantageous to town, and if it isn't already eventually it'll just end up in the hands of bad faith actors.

I can't get over the double negative in here. In other words, you see where town having more time to discuss is advantageous? Then I'm lost on the "and if" conclusion. Sorry, just trying to understand.

[bozotheclown]

I was not scum reading damo until reviewing the EOD voting and realizing that your first vote move from damo to Bonatogether likely took damo out of contention for the DK, even though you started the damo wagon.

Well, if your entire basis is my actions and not his own I can only tell you that's wrong for whatever it's worth.

I don't think people should feel committed to their wagons just for 'politics' at the end, especially at day 1. EoD used to be a lot more dynamic, I feel like, and it's a shame.

How do you feel about damo's roleblock claim, along with his "townslips"? Theatre?

damo could have been RBed by a town member holding the RB item who suspected him, or he could be town RBed by the mafia. I doubt he would claim the mafia RB as mafia. I do not know where damo town slipped.

[damo666]

Ghug is very self important isn't he?

Aren't we all darling?

[damo666]

##GM Note:

I decreased the margins on the document a bit, it's *slightly* better on mobile now in general.

Why didn't you just post it in thread?

He said he wanted to save space on the opening post.

Hey damo, how's life?

Pretty shit tbh. Friends dying or close thereto far too frequent and not old enough. Very depressing.

[Maniac]

Why didn't you just post it in thread?

He said he wanted to save space on the opening post.

Hey damo, how's life?

Pretty shit tbh. Friends dying or close thereto far too frequent and not old enough. Very depressing.

Sorry to hear that Damo. There is nothing more stressful that watching loved ones die. Your feelings of depression are perfectly normal and natural. I hope you’re able to have some time with your friend before the end.

Take care mate. I’m sure I speak for everyone on here when I say we are here for you if you want to talk about it.

[damo666]

He said he wanted to save space on the opening post.

Hey damo, how's life?

Pretty shit tbh. Friends dying or close thereto far too frequent and not old enough. Very depressing.

Sorry to hear that Damo. There is nothing more stressful that watching loved ones die. Your feelings of depression are perfectly normal and natural. I hope you’re able to have some time with your friend before the end.

Take care mate. I’m sure I speak for everyone on here when I say we are here for you if you want to talk about it.

I was doing that yd and today. Thanks for your thoughts. I don't wish to put a glum on the game. I responded too quickly on a wrong frame of mind.

However, once again sincere thanks .

Now, I assume you all have the same sentiments and I'm sorry to be distracting.

On with game!

[damo666]

##vote Snowy

Just tooooo much

[Vecna]

Im not so sure im still scumreading Jamiet as heavily. He's done a few things that lead me to question the read.

Rdrivera's selective pop in, instantly finding my quote and replying to 1 other post.....really doesnt feel like a natural way of catching up. He also doenst have any takes. It better change at some point, but for now im a bit suspicious.

This is bullshit. I was reading, found a post talking about me and answered it. I have been doing this since D1, so I didn't selectively pick your post.

And why you are not scumreading Jamiet anymore? I find his posts even more scummier. Jamiet town indignation feels natural, this game he looks like a bad copy of this, even him telling he is tryng to play differently.

So you were reading all posts, and had nothing to comment on?

Nothing besides posts that mention you?