M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

I been roleblocked

ghug have you ever not been roleblocked?

I'm not roleblocked all that often?

Not that long ago I survived to the final night despite claiming my power role repeatedly. Scum often ignore me.

huh, maybe im overremembering
never mind

[snowy801]

That's also a good question. You and Jamiet are nailing this.

snowy, you cant use the fact that i brought to attention your excessive question asking to avoid answering questions
i mean technically you can and are doing so, but not in good faith
why is your vote on me, as opposed to anyone else in this game?

I'll tell you later. It's nothing special.

[snowy801]

Anyone else want to claim anything?

What exactly is the advantage to claiming items? wouldn't the people with town only items just be Nk'd?

Town only items would be too precious to claim (includes cop, doc)

I don't know about Brian, but I was wondering if anyone had any interesting results from last night that they wanted to share. But that is up to the individual to determine, as I have no interest in mapping out all possible permutations of item interactions and circumstances under which it would be advantageous to claim.

[BobMcBob]

Anyone else want to claim anything?

What exactly is the advantage to claiming items? wouldn't the people with town only items just be Nk'd?

a wild lfischl has appeared!
lfischl, do you have reads?

[Hamilton Brian]

So let's put it out there to town. Bob does bring up a good point; I do tend to like the questions that Snowy asks in the games we have been in together. That I misread him most of the time is mostly on me.

Is Snowy being good town so far? If yes, why? If not, why not?

Hell, I'll subject myself to it as well. Am I being good town so far? If yes, why? If not, why not?

I hear a faint voice in my head telling me I am looking at all the wrong people.

OK; keep calm, keep respectful, try to put my best foot forward.

[lfischl]

Anyone else want to claim anything?

What exactly is the advantage to claiming items? wouldn't the people with town only items just be Nk'd?

a wild lfischl has appeared!
lfischl, do you have reads?

still kinda reading over all the messages from the last couple days, but I think ghug could be 3p, and my gut is telling me bozo and snowy are scum

[lfischl]

What exactly is the advantage to claiming items? wouldn't the people with town only items just be Nk'd?

a wild lfischl has appeared!
lfischl, do you have reads?

still kinda reading over all the messages from the last couple days, but I think ghug could be 3p, and my gut is telling me bozo and snowy are scum

or if not both 1 of them probably is

[BobMcBob]

worcej! rdr! vecna! damo!
you have more experience with ghug and jamie than i do
would you say the dynamic between them is unusually exaggerated, or are they normally this angry about next to nothing?
does anything strike you as off about it?

[snowy801]

I think you're doing fine, Brian. You were just a bit eh, how do you say, absent on day 1. Keep doing what you're doing.

I do think you should try to identify whatever impulse let you to place two nonposters (Macca, Kaka) as town and two others (Maniac, lfischl) as scum.

@lfischl personally I think neither, but the bozo suspicion seems to persist with curious viscosity. Then again, so did bona's, so I'm not sure how much I should read into that.

[Hamilton Brian]

worcej! rdr! vecna! damo!
you have more experience with ghug and jamie than i do
would you say the dynamic between them is unusually exaggerated, or are they normally this angry about next to nothing?
does anything strike you as off about it?

Jamie is not presenting as angry. Neither is ghug. I think there's a mutual distaste for one another but in no way is it going into toxic territory. I kind of get the sense from that dynamic that they'd have a pretty difficult time managing to cooperate with one another as mafia. Of course, there was one time when it was me, ghug, brain, and bozo as mafia. I don't recall the interactions in the QT.

[snowy801]

worcej! rdr! vecna! damo!
you have more experience with ghug and jamie than i do
would you say the dynamic between them is unusually exaggerated, or are they normally this angry about next to nothing?
does anything strike you as off about it?

Thanks for asking for my opinion. I really feel valued at times like these, and appreciate your extension of trust.
I think Jamiet was being an absolute ass, and ghug is very rightfully mad about what I would never characterize at "next to nothing."

That being said, I think Jamiet is scum.

[ghug]

Not sure. Kaka, maybe?

Thinking about it.

snowy, would you mind having some good opinions?

I'm afraid that was formally outlawed in 1993.

I suppose I'll drop the classic line: ghug, if not Jamiet, then who?

Idk. I was kinda planning on being useless for another day.

Celaph was starting to ping me after an initial townread, but obviously he's dead now. I'm starting to lean town on Brian. I see bits of merit to the criticism of you, bozo, and damo, but I don't want to kill any of you yet. Maniac remains nonmaniacal, so I guess I'll say him or one of the useless lurker group (Macca, lfischl, rd, Kak).

[ghug]

So let's put it out there to town. Bob does bring up a good point; I do tend to like the questions that Snowy asks in the games we have been in together. That I misread him most of the time is mostly on me.

Is Snowy being good town so far? If yes, why? If not, why not?

Hell, I'll subject myself to it as well. Am I being good town so far? If yes, why? If not, why not?

I hear a faint voice in my head telling me I am looking at all the wrong people.

OK; keep calm, keep respectful, try to put my best foot forward.

Snowy has been weird, but I also don't think he's likely to be able to keep up this level of productive-looking activity for very long as scum, so the fact that he's still doing it is a point in his favor, and it won't continue forever if I'm wrong.

[ghug]

What exactly is the advantage to claiming items? wouldn't the people with town only items just be Nk'd?

a wild lfischl has appeared!
lfischl, do you have reads?

still kinda reading over all the messages from the last couple days, but I think ghug could be 3p, and my gut is telling me bozo and snowy are scum

Why do you think I could be 3p?

[Hamilton Brian]

That being said, I think Jamiet is scum.

I won't belabour you to tell me why; I assume you have explained already so I'll do an ISO. If nothing comes up, then why? That's in advance so you know it's coming.

So if you think Jamie is mafia, why not put your vote directly on them?

I'll get to your questions about my split town/mafia reads of our low volume posters in a bit.

[Hamilton Brian]

That being said, I think Jamiet is scum.

I won't belabour you to tell me why; I assume you have explained already so I'll do an ISO. If nothing comes up, then why? That's in advance so you know it's coming.

So if you think Jamie is mafia, why not put your vote directly on them?

I'll get to your questions about my split town/mafia reads of our low volume posters in a bit.

And so far all I am coming up with seems to revolve around the potential theatre between Jamie and ghug. I guess you're kind of consistent though; you say you're unimpressed with ghug before dropping a vote on Jamie.

[snowy801]

Jamiet appears eager to push wagons, rather than looking to see where to vote. His presentation comes off as someone looking to convince others, rather than himself.

[ghug]

Hi DeathLlama17

[bozotheclown]

lets see, questions, to kill time...
snowy and bozo, what are your thoughts on ghug?
(bozo assume i have a gun to your head and am forcing you to choose okay?)
rdrivera, who are you? just give me some general thoughts about the game i guess, maybe some reads
ghug, why were you so dissatisfied with the wagons toward the end of the day?
also how do you feel about jamie right now?
jamie, how do you feel about ghug? also how much of an effort would you say you are making to be nice?
worcej, why were you death tunneling bozo so hard from the soonest possible opportunity?
bozo, do you still think a massclaim would be good at some later point? theoretically when and why?
food, give me some reads
same goes for everyone else who doesnt have a decent amount of reads yet
vecna and celaph are cool, we can chill in cool land together
also once again, please give me something to work with macca and lfischl

I had ghug as my 7th most likely town at my 12 hour initial reads, he is probably about the same now.

A claim of initial items is probably a good idea if it is D3 or later and the 3P is eliminated, because it will ID town clears before it is too late.

[bozotheclown]

@ Kakarroto, cel​aph, ghug, HB, lfischl, rdrivera, Macca, Maniac, Jamie, foodcoats, worcej: Why did you ignore my survey request?

I did not ignore it. I called you out on it and said you were being fake because of the way you listed Snowy as your 5th highest scumread but were also voting him at the time.

Why are you misrepresenting that, Bozo?

The question was obviously asking why you did not participate.