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[foodcoats]

Here's my theory:

Last night, mafia wanted to maximize their chances of killing a town PR. Otherwise, there's little to no reason to shoot Dargo. No offense to Darg, but he isn't exactly a priority kill.

They also likely did not want to hit the Jester.

I believe Snowy was really roleblocked.

So, ghug could have not been shot because they think he's jester, but he also could have not been shot because he's mafia. Putting a pin in it for now.

Vecna is another person I think is a likely D1 nightkill. Damo too.

I wonder if it means anything that Dargo was shot instead.

Vecna was pretty widely townread (or so it felt like) and is often fearkilled even before bothering to PR hunt. It’s certainly strange. But I don’t think Vecna is scum based on his iso, so I can’t see myself voting him today.

It did strike me as strange he camped a vote on darg all D1 and never explained it.

@Vecna can you explain why you voted darg yesterday?

[snowy801]

So scumhug doesn’t claim Jester and neither does townhug? Is ghug exactly Jester in your opinion?

Ok I'm going to have to politely ask to you reread the entire end of yesterday phase up from where I originally made that first quote you just added.

[foodcoats]

So scumhug doesn’t claim Jester and neither does townhug? Is ghug exactly Jester in your opinion?

Ok I'm going to have to politely ask to you reread the entire end of yesterday phase up from where I originally made that first quote you just added.

Sorry, I see your position evolved. I realize though that I drew away from the main point:

You defended ghug today saying scum ghug would not claim Jester.

Yesterday you did this:

Has it occurred to you logical folk that ghug is not guaranteed or even likely to be scum?

I suggest we table this discussion until ghug has an opportunity to further comment on this matter.

I am willing to agree on principle that a guaranteed jester vote today is the best move, if they are willing to hard claim. I am not so willing to agree that guesswork to hit only jester is in any way superior to normal scum hunting.

It’s just bizarre to me you’re defending ghug specifically repeatedly.

Do you townread him any reason other than the Jester claim? Would you say ghug is your top townread?

[snowy801]

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It’s just bizarre to me you’re defending ghug specifically repeatedly.

Do you townread him any reason other than the Jester claim? Would you say ghug is your top townread?

See p. 28 for my earlier reads list (sad that only I entertained HB's request, but alas such is forum mafia) and he is smack in the middle. I do not know if I would necessarily make the same ordering now, but it's probably somewhere thereabouts.

I defend ghug particularly because I so easily see us entering the end of day and voting him off. Of the people I town read, I do not particularly see this risk happening for anybody else and am pre-emptively warding off some obvious points about ghug's alignment so I have a better chance of actually getting my desired wagons through.

[foodcoats]

You also seem to only scum read players who vote for you.

Demonstrate this claim. I'm sure you've thought it through, go on.

Its simple, 4 players voted for you D1, and you expressed suspicion of all 4 while they were voting for you.

Bozo, I voted for snowy D1 and I don’t think he expressed suspicion of me. Does snowy not OMGUSing all his detractors change your read of him at all? How do you see snowy today?

[snowy801]

I guess I can sort of see the Vecna argument.

Will have to mull on it.

Vecna, what would you say is your go to method of getting info from people and where do you think you've representatively used this method in this game?

[bozotheclown]

also having good vibes from Bozo. Not being stuck on a single mindset, but actually engaging more than one alley.

He's tunneling the shit out of snowy and doing almost nothing else?

I agree that is an atypical comment from Vecna, he could be trying to pocket me.

[bozotheclown]

Oh, piss off. How many times have I been a PR?

Roleblocks are one of the most basic principles of mafia, and you have played mafia (the team/role) before, so you should know how they work.

Don't get all elitist/uber-mafia player on me. The gift of being me is that I've not been a PR but for neighbourizer 1 time and then a 3P before so I fall back on ADHD Brian mode of "only pay attention to what you need to." Everything else was always vanilla so...no paying attention.

When we were mafia together in M63, we had a roleblocker. Do you remember any of the discussion about how to use the RB?

[ghug]

I'd like to declare this entire development sequence highly sus

Seconded

Who do you suspect on this sequence Ghug?

Also, you have a unique pespective about D1 if you are town as you will be sure that EOD was TxT, but you just didn´t consider this in any way. So, what you expect scum to do in a TxT EOD and what you conclude about yesterday?

I'm not sure yet I'm drunk

[ghug]

It's a bit odd that ghug, the king of moving his vote at EoD when things seem too static, didn't.

I'm pretty sure ghug is scum.

Bro I don't move my vote in a 3 way tie between me, my preferred wagon, and a townread.

[bozotheclown]

I’m inclined to believe snowy is town and was RBd. Darg and Bob both noted how snowy is acting funny, and so have I. Snowy’s funny behaviour might have looked like a PR trying to play scummy to stay out of NK range, so a good RB target on that scum POE.

I also am inclined to think JBH made legit townslips regarding PR terminology and RBs. I don’t think a newer player would go to the wall that hard to fake townslip.

Could be wrong on either of these but will remove them from my POE for today.

A point of deduction from this is there would be no reason for scum!damo to behave as he did toward town!snowy (voting his voters). So as long as snowy is town, damo is highly unlikely to be scum, in theory.

I agree JHB's town telling seems real, and probably HB as well. I am not as sure about snowy's RB claim.

[ghug]

Chaqa tries to make himself appear townie when he's scum. When he's town, he just speaks his thoughts, and I usually don't like them.

This is exactly the kind of thing ghug says when he's scum and I'm town.

Interesting point.

Ghug is a potential good wagon today if for no other reason than that stupid Jester claim which will chase town all the way to the end. Big bad on my part yesterday, should have broke the tie going to ghug rather than Bob.

Food sounds really inauthentic today.

[ghug]

It's a bit odd that ghug, the king of moving his vote at EoD when things seem too static, didn't.

I'm pretty sure ghug is scum.

Do you not think it weird that nobody tried to save ghug at the end then? We spent 25 minutes with ghug at top 1:20 out, then 40 minutes from 0:45 - 0:05 tied top 3 with 3 a piece. Unless we accept foodcoats as the scum savior or a scum team entirely apathetic to scum ghug dying d1 (possible) it just seems unlikely

Also snowy… you defended ghug yesterday, and you’re defending him again. But you also made an impassioned post about why we should DK him yesterday, before backing away from it.

Why are you so opposed to scumreading ghug? You seem to be very anti-scum!ghug, meanwhile you accuse the entire player group of being closeminded. Is there something about ghug you think is super townie?

Hmm, maybe I'm wrong about snowy.

[bozotheclown]

I really think we need to roll like this:

each person drop their town/mafia reads. We need to make some quick decisions, and it might be best done as concensus.

Is that a call for a survey? I think that is a good idea.

[bozotheclown]

He's tunneling the shit out of snowy and doing almost nothing else?

he's engaged with a lot more people than he usually does, and the swap to snowy seemed like the typical dumb bozo stuff though?

I don’t know that I agree with this. Bozo has pretty much been stuck on snowy. I don’t think he’s made any scumreads since thinking darg and ghug were bussing snowy. That level of being stuck actually strikes me as being suspicious.

##VOTE bozo

I did not like snowy's D1 EOD, I think town reading his counter wagons seemed like a scum ploy, then he voted for Bob when it was clear Bob or him would be the DK.

Also, he ignored my question about what changed between these 2 posts:

##vote JBH

I guess

Better to die on my own bed

Alas Bob, we hardly knew ye

##vote Bob to avoid quick draws, but I will note my objection

[bozotheclown]

I just want to state for the record that bozo is by far my strongest scum read, to the point where I'm sending God QT messages about it

I'm just voting damo because I think he's sus as hell and want to hear more from him. Will likely switch to bozo later barring circumstances etc.

I still have not seen a reason for your scum read other than you do not like the reasons I suspect you.

[bozotheclown]

bozo's only ever talked about me, so it places me in an ideal circumstance to perceive his arguments from the most possible factual position.

The biggest red flag of the day, which I noted, is his accusations out of the gate for me today. Yesterday he spent literally all day attacking me, which while not ideal could be coming from any angle. But instead of extending that train of thought about the VT claims, wagon analysis or considering the overall body of my works he states that he's voting me because I swapped my vote to Bob, which I stated I would not do earlier.

I was roleblocked earlier; I think mafia was wifoming on whether I was trying to blatantly avoid being PR read with my hard VT claim, yet they chose to simply roleblock me and kill someone else. I don't think anyone will argue darg was widely town read or particularly fearsome as town, so I conclude that he was being PR hunted.

Then I add this realization (that I was roleblocked) onto the precise certainty that I had that I was left alive (look I'm not so arrogant to say I'm always N1'd, but it sure happens a lot) because a lot of people scum read me yesterday and people thought it would be possible to misvote me. Thus, someone would attempt to do so.

You already read my thoughts on this matter.

If bozo truly thought I was scum, he would take more than 3 seconds to consider how I might be scum, not pick sound bites he thinks will convince other people that I might possibly be scum.

This man is not town. I am so sure of this fact. Absolute scum energy coming from here.

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damo, uh, I think it was weird how he was policy voting my voters (buddying, appearing active while not), his parting comment d1, his "well done darg" when he made his 2nd Bob vote, adding a 3rd (and ultimately fatal) vote on Bob. He was voting down a list of people who were voting me - why did this one actually stick through the end? His parting comment to me ("good one") makes it seem he actively scum read Bob, while he gave no indication of doing so in particular.

Honestly not as sure on this one, but that's my thoughts

First, I think it is disingenuous to characterize my D1 as attacking you all day. I primarily voted for you because you had 2 quick votes and I wanted to see what would happen if you went to 3. The only real argument I made to DK you was that you claimed VT when there was no reason to do so.

Second, I think your D1 EOD vote for Bob was a "red flag", because you had indicated you were willing to get DKed over voting for your town reads just minutes earlier.

As for your "body of work", I have been scum with you before and know you are capable of maintaining a high volume of analysis as scum.

[bozotheclown]

I mean yeah, tunneling is usually town bozo. I only take issue with the part where you like his play.

Dont particularly agree with the first part. Dont particularly agree with the second part.

Still think my allignment assesment is correct

Bozo tunneling and giving bullshit reasons for his tunneling is 100% scum Bozo. And I suspect one of Ghug or Vecna is scum with him.

Is there a reason for scum to also RB the NK in this setup? They are probably hunting for the Cop so it´s probably better to RB another target. So, I tend to believe Snowy claim.

Scum could have saved Ghug on D1 or they just sit and wait while there is two town wagons. I think the frentic vote movement from Food indicates more likely a town mindset then a scum one.

That is vague, what reasons that I have given for suspecting snowy do you so strongly disagree with, and why?

[bozotheclown]

The comfort of being town is that you don't have to overthink your comments, just say as you mean it

If neither damo nor bozo I'd probably go with ghug.

I'd ordinarily suggest rdrivera but someone rightly commented our opportunity for misvotes are limited

Snowy, I am really impressed with your play this game. So, impressed that I will follow you on ##vote Damo

Maybe snowy is town if you are trying to pocket him. What has impressed you about snowy's play so far?

[bozotheclown]

It's a bit odd that ghug, the king of moving his vote at EoD when things seem too static, didn't.

I'm pretty sure ghug is scum.

Do you not think it weird that nobody tried to save ghug at the end then? We spent 25 minutes with ghug at top 1:20 out, then 40 minutes from 0:45 - 0:05 tied top 3 with 3 a piece. Unless we accept foodcoats as the scum savior or a scum team entirely apathetic to scum ghug dying d1 (possible) it just seems unlikely

An argument could be made that you saved ghug by talking foodcoats out of voting for ghug after you had talked him into voting for ghug.