M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[damo666]

I'm not moving.

[Johnny Big Horse]

from Rivera:

How on Earth he is tryng to figure the game out? He started with a spreadsheet or something he never presented. Then tunnelled Jamiet with a tinfoil theory. When Xorxes replaced Jamiet and flipped town he told he will sheep Xorxes but never did (Xorxes coincidentally was scumreading Chaqa).

And now he is saying he don't have a clue but is voting me because of "reasons". How is this trying to solve anything?

@Rivera: That is fine and good criticizing my method. It is a piece of crap. I admit it. But assuming you are not scum, your method, as elegant and sophisticated as it may be, is worse than crap, because it has fooled you into believing you are a thinker of consequence, which you plainly are not...

OR... you are scum and a possibly good thinker... or maybe just scum

[Johnny Big Horse]

I'm wondering if Johnny's been told to sheep me to create distance with his partner should I die. He's not really giving any explanation for his voting, but it's consistently mirrored mine (or at least my reads) for about a day now.

coincidence. I trust Worcez more than you.

[damo666]

Not only has Johnny never attempted to solve he is now attempting to confuse.

Beginning to feel a JBH worcez pairing

[Johnny Big Horse]

Completely unrelated but @JBH why do you keep on spelling it "worcez"?

sounds better to me. More exotique

[Johnny Big Horse]

Not only has Johnny never attempted to solve he is now attempting to confuse.

Beginning to feel a JBH worcez pairing

Then maybe Damo is #3. But for now....I am focusing on Rivera.

[Johnny Big Horse]

Not only has Johnny never attempted to solve he is now attempting to confuse.

Beginning to feel a JBH worcez pairing

I don't know why you think I have not attempted to solve this. I have come up with lineups over and over... usually or maybe always wrong... but still, I have tried. I just don't think like you guys. Doesn't mean I am not trying.

Even if I don't try though, that doesn't make me Mafia. It could make me lazy, but I am not.

[worcej]

I'm not moving.

Convenient considering it's on my strongest town read...

[damo666]

Not only has Johnny never attempted to solve he is now attempting to confuse.

Beginning to feel a JBH worcez pairing

I don't know why you think I have not attempted to solve this. I have come up with lineups over and over... usually or maybe always wrong... but still, I have tried. I just don't think like you guys. Doesn't mean I am not trying.

Even if I don't try though, that doesn't make me Mafia. It could make me lazy, but I am not.

You've thrown out names but never really said why.

[damo666]

I'm not moving.

Convenient considering it's on my strongest town read...

Who's your strongest scum read? Why haven't you voted yet?

[worcej]

@Rdr - just to ask one more time, are you sure damo is town?

@ghug - this is a terrible questions and I cannot believe I am asking this... but are you intentionally being different compared to your normal style?

@damo - similar to above, why choose now to get stubborn when you've been more engaging and wishy washy? Why does JBH justify a 'I will not move' over anyone else? If you're town, you're fucking us over with this vote park.

@JBH - damo has a point that the why is missing, why rdr over any of us? 'I am not scum' is just OMGUS, what is it that rdr is doing to make him scum?

[damo666]

@Rdr - just to ask one more time, are you sure damo is town?

@ghug - this is a terrible questions and I cannot believe I am asking this... but are you intentionally being different compared to your normal style?

@damo - similar to above, why choose now to get stubborn when you've been more engaging and wishy washy? Why does JBH justify a 'I will not move' over anyone else? If you're town, you're fucking us over with this vote park.

@JBH - damo has a point that the why is missing, why rdr over any of us? 'I am not scum' is just OMGUS, what is it that rdr is doing to make him scum?

I've tried my best to solve this. I don't want to vote rdr or ghug so I think JBH is my best option, at the moment anyway.

I just can't see any pairing of the others shooting JBH over Jamie. Makes no sense. I'm not at all confident who his partner is though.

I must admit on the face of it JBH sounds clueless town. Perhaps he's a good actor.

[worcej]

And for @EMC - do something to give me and sense of what your alignment actually is.

[rdrivera2005]

@Rdr - just to ask one more time, are you sure damo is town?

@ghug - this is a terrible questions and I cannot believe I am asking this... but are you intentionally being different compared to your normal style?

@damo - similar to above, why choose now to get stubborn when you've been more engaging and wishy washy? Why does JBH justify a 'I will not move' over anyone else? If you're town, you're fucking us over with this vote park.

@JBH - damo has a point that the why is missing, why rdr over any of us? 'I am not scum' is just OMGUS, what is it that rdr is doing to make him scum?

How can I be sure of this? He and you are my top townreads. It's a read based on effort and I also think his reads are genuinely evolving and I don’t remember him playing like this as scum.

I have looked at emc (because it's the easier one) and don't find anything that look strongly town or scum, but I don't think he is scum with Ghug and all 3 voted Food on D1. The same is a bit valid when he joined Chaqa on my wagon (but this is a more personal view).

This makes Ghug and JBH the most likely pair to me and explains well all the scum decisions.

[Johnny Big Horse]

Not only has Johnny never attempted to solve he is now attempting to confuse.

Beginning to feel a JBH worcez pairing

I don't know why you think I have not attempted to solve this. I have come up with lineups over and over... usually or maybe always wrong... but still, I have tried. I just don't think like you guys. Doesn't mean I am not trying.

Even if I don't try though, that doesn't make me Mafia. It could make me lazy, but I am not.

You've thrown out names but never really said why.

bullcrap and you know it. I gave many reasons for voting Jamiet. And I was wrong.

My reason for Rivera I just gave, but I will give again. He is either stupid for thinking me mafia or scum, just like you. I don't think he is stupid, nor you, which means you are both scum. There is the reason.

[worcej]

I'm not moving.

Convenient considering it's on my strongest town read...

Who's your strongest scum read? Why haven't you voted yet?

Because my strongest scum read is ghug and I am concerned with it because my town reads (JBH and rdr) are split and on a separate wagons. I'd feel much more confident in my reads if they were in agreement because town needs to unify if we're going to pull this out, thus why I am asking JBH to explain better because I don't see any other rdr reason other than an OMGUS counter.

Ghug+Damo, Ghug+EMC, and damo+EMC are the options I see to pull my scum team together with Chaqa, the first option being the most likely. You three (the non-Chaqa's) would definitely do 3 guns as scum and willing to entertain a JBH shot to cause confusion later to push yourselves over the finish line.

[Johnny Big Horse]

Vote for me. I am all for it. You guys are gonna lose.

I expect Damo and Rivera to vote me. The mafia's job is to confuse people. And they are doing it well.

[Johnny Big Horse]

My original reasons for thinking Rivera scum were his first vote to kill Foodcoates
and that he jumped on me so harshly on Day 2 I think, about my theory that Chaqa (his collaborator) and Jaime had fabricated the shot on Jaime Day 1.

My original reasons are all wet. I don't give any credence to any reasons anymore, since having witnessed this game for a week now, most reasons are specious and most conclusions are wrong.

So, @Worcez, I am going only on gut, and on the thought that only an idiot would think me mafia, ... or mafia would say I was mafia to get another town kill. I don't think Rivera or Damo are idiots, therefore they must be mafia.

[worcej]

My original reasons for thinking Rivera scum were his first vote to kill Foodcoates
and that he jumped on me so harshly on Day 2 I think, about my theory that Chaqa (his collaborator) and Jaime had fabricated the shot on Jaime Day 1.

My original reasons are all wet. I don't give any credence to any reasons anymore, since having witnessed this game for a week now, most reasons are specious and most conclusions are wrong.

So, @Worcez, I am going only on gut, and on the thought that only an idiot would think me mafia, ... or mafia would say I was mafia to get another town kill. I don't think Rivera or Damo are idiots, therefore they must be mafia.

Bolded observation is rather good actually - last game he did poke holes in town theories intentionally regarding his scum team...

[damo666]

##vote ghug